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Shrug
11:59 / 26.04.06
Probably another S,B&R topic, really.
I'm in a relationship at the moment with a reasonably large age gap, about 14yrs. I don't really have a problem with the difference but I expect it is more of an issue on his side. Whether it's a different stages of life thing, different needs from a relationship etc, or, perhaps, more concern about responsibility he may feel for my own well being. Eh, I don't really know? It all is a minor issue to be honest, but reasonably apparent in any case. I'm not even looking for personal advice, here, but, perhaps, I could grapple some insight from other people's experiences. And recognise future travails before they happen.
All relationships are idiosyncratic, I know, but does age matter?
Transgenerational Love or something that just isn't going to work?
Er....so talk amongst yourselves.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:18 / 26.04.06
Are you the older or the younger one, shrug, if you dont mind me asking?
 
 
Shrug
12:42 / 26.04.06
No problem, Legba, I am the younger party.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:56 / 26.04.06
And you're female-identifying? I don't think that's a particularly unusual setup, is it?
 
 
Shrug
13:17 / 26.04.06
Nope, not female identifying, and it isn't an unusual set up I agree but I'm just looking to get some sort of greater perspective on it all. I don't really enter into relationships frivolously so....
Also, I thought that it might be a interesting topic for discussion in general.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
13:21 / 26.04.06
14 years between me and old Babar - the Charles and Di gap, I think you'll find, and that worked out so well.

Trying to think seriously about whether the difference in ages has wrought any particular difficulties. Will maybe get back to this when I'm not at work and trying to do several things at once. I will say that I think, in our case, the age gap has proved crucial and of immense value to us both.
 
 
Jub
13:23 / 26.04.06
When I lived in Brighton I went out with someone who was 15 years older than me. She was great, but in the end we split up because she had a little boy and I wasn't ready for that level of commitment. She was very cool about it all. So that wasn't so much the age which was an issue but definitely related. Hope this helps.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:25 / 26.04.06
I've always stuck to within a year or so of my own age, but of the people who haven't, I'd be interested to know if an age gap allows a kind of mutual escape from the routines of your own world? (i.e. the world of a 45 year old, or the world of a 20 year old, each of which bring their own sets of restrictions.)
 
 
Jub
13:29 / 26.04.06
Ooh, actually just thought... The youngest person I've been out with was 6 years younger than me. She was 18 and although we had a great time together, I did find it odd that we didn't share certain social markers such as children's TV shows did not match up - our Blue Peter presenters were different and everything! I remember asking her where she was when she found out Kurt Cobain had died (I was in the pub), she said: "I can't remember - I was 10".
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
13:32 / 26.04.06
I was with someone 11 years older for five years, from the ages of 21-26. He's a British philosophy professor. I didn't know what I was going to be when it started, I just knew that I loved him. But as I turned into a pretty bohemian, crazy artist, I realized that there were significant parts of me I was stifling to be with him. And when I decided to let those parts out, the problems began.

We were aware of these problems from the start, and were hoping that we would still be compatible as I came to know myself better. But we did grow apart. It was a risk we chose to take and I have absolutely no regrets about taking it. He continues to be the best person I've ever known, just not for me.
 
 
Ex
13:33 / 26.04.06
I know this is predictable and agony-auntish, but I hear that compatibility has more to do with stages of development than chronological age. So if you have the same general interests and similar or compatible plans for the next five years or so, that's going to be more use than just sharing a birthday.

Thus when I was having a bit of a period of indecision in my mid twenties (big relationship finished, incredibly extended education finished, no job, best mate moved away) I found it very cool to be able to hang out with those in their late teens who were permenantly thinking 'WHAT THE $%*!, WHO AM I, WHAT IS LIFE?'
Of course, that's just the 'interests' then there's the development issue as well. If you start seeing someone who matches a particular phase of your life, you'd better hope that they'll develop at the same pace in a similar direction, or that you're both in a fairly stable groove, or that you're both flexible enough to take it. Which is to say, I no longer find licking flaming Tia Maria off a bar an enjoyable night out, and am glad I don't have a partner who expects that.

The social myth is that there are coherent stages, and that we all progress through them at set ages, which is a bit rubbish.
My old housemate referred to the 'fuckwit crossroads' as a big point of change that people reach, when they think 'Right - will start treating people decently, not follow crowd, work out who I am' and so forth. She was more interested in being in a relationship with anyone who had passed the fuckwit crossroads, less interested in their age.

This may all be rendered irrelevant if your potential partner insists on reminiscing about Bagpuss and scorns you when you can' join in. In which case, you can buy the DVD. Then dump him for the scorning, but get the DVD anyway.
 
 
Isadore
13:35 / 26.04.06
My parents had a twenty-five year age gap and they did fine.

The biggest problem I see with it is lifespan difference, really; the older partner is more than likely going to die first.
 
 
Spaniel
14:00 / 26.04.06
My partner is seven years and ten months older than me, so I'd like to contribute to this thread, but like Xoc I think I'll wait until I get home from work.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
14:12 / 26.04.06
the fuckwit crossroads

That's the best way I've ever heard anyone describe it.

There's a 10 year age gap between me and mine. We've been together for four years, and she's taught me heaps. I think I may have taught her some stuff too. It definitely works. Like Ex, I think the idea of specific 'stages' of life that fit into age brackets is complete bollocks.

I'm interested to know why you think it's more of a problem for him, Shrubs. Is that something you know for sure? Do you think you could be projecting, if it's only something you assume or suspect?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:13 / 26.04.06
I'd like to comment on this, but it will have to wait until I have finished my trig prep. Boo trig!
 
 
Quantum
14:32 / 26.04.06
My current partner is seven years younger, my previous partner was seven years older. I don't think it matters too much, but IMHO it's more fun as the elder one, stifling the youthful vigour of your partner like a vim vampire, draining them of their life essence like that scene in the Dark Crystal where they make muppet juice and drink it.

Yes, I am the Skekses chamberlain. How do I spell that noise I make? HHHHHHmmmmmMMMMmmmm...
 
 
Ex
14:39 / 26.04.06
Quantum, you drink Vim?



Start a thread. Ask for help. You're among friends.
 
 
Shrug
15:09 / 26.04.06
I'm interested to know why you think it's more of a problem for him, Shrubs. Is that something you know for sure? Do you think you could be projecting, if it's only something you assume or suspect?

Disco, I'm not projecting but have deduced same from what we've talked about. My life at the moment seems pregnant with a number of possibilites, his less so. He worries that the relationship will eventually seem stifling to me. I originally identified this as a brush off but now upon further discussion I recognize it to be a real and probably valid concern. Similarly, I can't make any promises as to where my life will be in a couple of years, but don't see this relationship as limitation of possibility rather the initiation of new ones. I would've thought it'd be more of a chance for him, really. Time is precious and I, potentially, have more to squander.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:15 / 26.04.06
I'd just like to say that "The Fuckwit Crossroads" is not only a great name for it but possibly a really good movie too.
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
15:20 / 26.04.06
I can't make any promises as to where my life will be in a couple of years, but don't see this relationship as limitation of possibility rather the initiation of new ones. I would've thought it'd be more of a chance for him, really. Time is precious and I, potentially, have more to squander.

I went through a really similar discussion with the ex. It took five months and repeated persuasion on my part for him to properly date me, because he felt that at 32, he was ready to settle down and he didn't think that a 21-year-old would be the best person to do that with. Alas, he ended up being right.... oh fickle youth.
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
15:21 / 26.04.06
Had a one night stand with someone twice my age, once (~40/~20, it was a while back). He was a perfect gentleman. My 'proper' partners have almost all been older than myself, though not by such a large margin. I'm certainly open to the possibility of a relationship with a middlish age gap.
 
 
Shrug
15:32 / 26.04.06
I went through a really similar discussion with the ex. It took five months and repeated persuasion on my part for him to properly date me, because he felt that at 32, he was ready to settle down and he didn't think that a 21-year-old would be the best person to do that with. Alas, he ended up being right.... oh fickle youth.

Exactly. There is no real way of knowing where it will end up.
I'd, of course, rather not leave him in this position five-six years down the line. But it'd be such a pity if we didn't at least try. And really it's his decision to make, I could have a merry old time for a while and then move on. I don't expect to, but, really, what do I know?
Still, [his] youth may be gone, but [he's] still a young man.
 
 
*
16:13 / 26.04.06
I'm currently contemplating a thing with someone eight years my junior, which may not sound like much until you realize I'm 26. He's legal, but only just.

Jeezus I sound like such a cradle robber. In my defense, as I said in the How's Ya Fatha thread, he's got more experience and is more likely to break my heart than I am his, according to several sources. We're both men; he's non-trans and I'm trans. We're both queerish gay. And I am not going to be anyone's Daddy in the foreseeable future, unless reproductive technology gets both truly amazing and amazingly nonconsensual.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:20 / 26.04.06
In my defense, as I said in the How's Ya Fatha thread, he's got more experience and is more likely to break my heart than I am his, according to several sources.

Hmm... yeah. I'm uncomfortable with the "no angel" argument, I have to say. It's perfectly probable that your dewy youth is a blithe lothario with healthy desires, of course, but heavily sexualised behaviour in teenagers is not necessarily just what it is, you know?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:21 / 26.04.06
There is only a 3 year gap between my fiance and I, which doesn't sound like a lot, but she was in 6th or 7th grade when I finished highschool and started working full time.

Now she is going for her masters and I don't have a degree, and it is a little stressfull at times, feeling like my life is half over and my decisions are made while she has a lot ahead of her.

My philosophy has always been that numbers don't matter once everyone can get into the same places legally (makes dating easier) as long as both parties are at least content with where their lives are at, and where they are going.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:33 / 26.04.06
Shrug: He worries that the relationship will eventually seem stifling to me. I originally identified this as a brush off but now upon further discussion I recognize it to be a real and probably valid concern. Similarly, I can't make any promises as to where my life will be in a couple of years, but don't see this relationship as limitation of possibility rather the initiation of new ones. I would've thought it'd be more of a chance for him, really.

See, the weird thing to my eyes is the assumption that it will always be the younger partner who decides ze wants to run off and sow some oats. As soon as you hit thirty (or forty or what-have-you) you settle down and don't want to be with anyone else ever? Until you hit thirty (et cetera) you're a ticking time-bomb of unfulfilled sexual desires? Different people have different preferred relationship modes regardless of their age.

For the record, my partner is five years older than me and we've been together for nearly three years. I think it's going well mostly because we're both on fairly the same page about what we want and any age-related tension is mostly comedic.
 
 
*
16:54 / 26.04.06
My old housemate referred to the 'fuckwit crossroads' as a big point of change that people reach, when they think 'Right - will start treating people decently, not follow crowd, work out who I am' and so forth.

Like Mister Disco, I'm completely latching onto this expression. (I have no proper attribution for it, so it's being treated as creative commons for the moment.) Before, I called this phenomenon "getting a soul," but I was never quite comfortable with that (obvs.) and this is so much better.

A friend of mine is in a serious LTR/getting ready to be handfasted with someone twice his age. They have a really cool relationship, despite some rocky areas. But what weighs heavily on his mind is that his partner is not in good health and is having increasing trouble doing things for himself (he has fibromyalgia and recently had a heart attack, among other things). I tend to do better in LTRs with people older than myself, but I would hesitate to put myself in that position.

I'm uncomfortable with the "no angel" argument, I have to say. It's perfectly probable that your dewy youth is a blithe lothario with healthy desires, of course, but heavily sexualised behaviour in teenagers is not necessarily just what it is, you know?

Your point is well-taken, and it's certainly something I've been considering myself. The potential for this is still pretty fresh—he came on to me at a party while we were both relatively sober; we got increasingly (not decreasingly) sober as the night went on, we put the friend we were both taking care of safely to bed, and he stayed the night in my bed (we didn't have sex, but not for want of his trying). We've been casual friends before that. This was last weekend. Since then, we've hung out, talked a bit, and made out, and then I sent him home. I'm making him do the chasing. I'm a bit younger than many and less Asian than most of his previous partners. As far as the "place in our lives" theory goes, we're both students, in student housing; he drinks/goes to parties a bit more than I do; neither of us is expecting an LTR out of the other.

One concerns me is his tendency to date older men. It's not a lack of opportunity in his own age group. Depending on the guys he's been dating, it could point to a certain willingness to be objectified which could (not necessarily) indicate a low self-esteem issue, which hasn't been obvious to me at this point. But as I say this hasn't been clear to me either from our recent interactions or our previous friendship. He may just have the idea that experimenting with a trans guy is the thing to do, which I don't particularly have a problem with; I've seen no evidence of a tendency to angst over what my body parts mean to his identity. I would characterise him as: impulsive, willing to introspect but it's not the first thing that occurs to him, a little racist (he's being called a rice fetishist, which doesn't apply in this particular case), caring (he and I both found ourselves taking care of our friend at this party, and he evidenced quite a willingness to put off his own interests to sit with hir for two or more hours), highly sexual, independent, opinionated (see also racist), intellectual, pragmatic, egotistical at face value (not sure about his underlying sense of himself), not traditionally attractive, with unfounded concerns about his weight.

What characterises a blithe, healthy lothario to you, Haus? I'd really be interested in having some more objective opinions on this situation, since most people I have to occasion to talk about sex with are also people who know him to varying degrees.
 
 
Shrug
17:15 / 26.04.06
Jeezus I sound like such a cradle robber.

I've never been in this situation always the reverse in fact but if he's a willing participant I don't see the problem at all, id. However, maybe there is an onus on you to be more tactful and considered in your approach to him, just from a life wisdom rather than sexual experience pov. If, indeed, you have more life wisdom than he. The fact that your questioning this is beneficial and seems to be the right approach. It's a tumultuous time the teens but no less as from 20-70 for most, I'd imagine.

See, the weird thing to my eyes is the assumption that it will always be the younger partner who decides ze wants to run off and sow some oats. As soon as you hit thirty (or forty or what-have-you) you settle down and don't want to be with anyone else ever? Until you hit thirty (et cetera) you're a ticking time-bomb of unfulfilled sexual desires? Different people have different preferred relationship modes regardless of their age.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I wonder (and maybe it's a completely erroneous and baseless wondering) that there is a question of difference between homo v. hetero relationships in this case. There are things about my life that I'm wholly comfortable with where he still finds problems. Generational gaps and value judgements of a different era that, perhaps, pervades his view more. Not that he is a strict traditionalist but that I was out and accepting from a very early age and he was not. Is it more acceptable to go out with a younger person (guy/gal) in heterosexual relationships? It's seems a bigger question than that, however.
Hmmm I'm not sure...but could someone entertain my possibly repugnant question in any case? (or even state my question more lucidly)
 
 
Shrug
23:32 / 26.04.06
I hope I haven't killed my own thread. I hate that.

But anyway, also liking the "Fuckwits Crossroad" metaphor. I'm not sure if I'm there anymore but a few years will give me my answer, I'll look back, shake my head forlornly and say "fuckwit" undoubtably. At the moment, in my own opinion, I'm perfectly capable of settling down. Well, at least, I think I am (it isn't like I've ever tried before).
And like Papers mentioned: I think it's entirely possible for the older party to return to the crossroad, if he hasn't already, (me being a product of said fuckwittedness). It's hardly OMFG dilemma material but I want to make sure the right decision is made.
 
 
ibis the being
00:06 / 27.04.06
A friend of mine is in a serious LTR/getting ready to be handfasted with someone twice his age. They have a really cool relationship, despite some rocky areas. But what weighs heavily on his mind is that his partner is not in good health and is having increasing trouble doing things for himself (he has fibromyalgia and recently had a heart attack, among other things). I tend to do better in LTRs with people older than myself, but I would hesitate to put myself in that position.

My dad is 22 years older than my stepmom and he also has fibromyalgia. When the two of them first got together (and maybe for a couple of years going forward) I used to worry about her a lot. She is two years older than me and I'd think often about how I'd feel in her place, and I didn't think I could take on what she's taken on. She married a much older man who was not in good health and at the time was told he wouldn't have any more children. This was complicated by the fact that she was the only one of her siblings able to have children, so her parents were devastated by the whole thing at first. As it turned out, they could and did have children, and my dad's health is much better now - being happy with her has helped him a lot depression can play such a big role in fibromyalgia). They are a wonderful couple and totally made for each other - people who don't know them rarely guess the age gap is as big as it is.

I don't believe that age is a big factor in compatibility, more likely it can seem that way if there are compatibility issues in a relationship that happens to have an age gap. I once dated someone less than two years younger than me who might as well have been a teenage son to me, so dramatic was the difference in maturity levels (that obviously didn't work out). Now I'm dating someone five years older who's my equal in every way that matters.
 
 
lekvar
00:52 / 27.04.06
The only issue I've seen in a relationship with a wide age gap comes from my dad and his girlfriend, she being only a couple years older than me - they've complained of social frictions, of younger men upset that she's with an older man, and older women upset that he's with a younger woman. Not just cradle-robbing, but a feeling that they've somehow cheated their respective age-range dating pools out of viable options.
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
02:48 / 27.04.06
i dunno about age gaps being more acceptable in straight relationships, especially these days. i've tended to date older men (though less so recently; maybe i'm just attracted to men around 30), and yes it's fine if you fit the stereotype of the rich older man and the bimbo younger woman, but i personally don't. so i've found myself feeling insecure in those situations and feeling like i have to prove myself to be my partner's intellectual equal.

i feel like at least in gay relationships, there aren't as many prescribed cultural models propagated by the media, so people seem more willing to make up their own rules. but maybe that's just a grass is greener thing.
 
 
Loomis
08:14 / 27.04.06
There’s a seven year gap between Ariadne and I, but we both have the maturity of your average 14 year old so things work out fine.

I agree that relationship preference and lifestyle aren’t directly linked to age. In fact I was much more settled and resistant to change at 18 whereas at the ripe old age of 31 I’m far more likely to be open to the idea of moving country or any other lifestyle change at the drop of a hat. I’m not in a relationship because that’s where I want to be at this time of life - I’m in a relationship because I want to be with this person.

I say go for it Shrug. There are plenty of reasons why any relationship could run out of steam after five years but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. They could be five amazing years. In my opinion that wouldn’t be a failed relationship, it would be five great years with a person you love.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:46 / 27.04.06
Id: I'm sure you are considering this, because you are to my knowledge a good and considerate person, and I doubt that my uninformed views can possibly add much to proceedings. I am just a little suspicious of teenagers being described as more experienced or less likely to be affected by the relationship going south, because it seems to deny the implicit but nuanced differentials of power, experience and social standing that often exist in an age-divergent relationship in favour of statistics and of speculation. On the other hand, there may well be perfectly good reasons why diffrentials of power, experience and social standing may not need to be considered constantly, because they may not exist between the two parties. In a perfect world, I'd have suggested thinking about the age difference before starting the making out - emotional involvement doesn't start at the pen.sex., after all - but it's not a perfect world.

Having said, which, if you could possibly hit the next to use the term "rice fetishist" really quite hard in the nads, that would also be good, I think.
 
 
Cat Chant
08:54 / 27.04.06
Oh yayy, I've been meaning to start this thread forever, especially since (id)entity's mentions of his doubts about being the older person.

I'm 30, Tangent's 57, so I think (so far) we win. I was 25 and starting a PhD when we met online through Blake's 7 fandom; we got together when I was 27 and she was exactly twice my age. (Prior to Tangent I had two sexual relationships - and one 'romantic friendship' worth mentioning: the friendship and one of the sexual relationships were with people within a year of my own age; the other sexual relationship was when I was 18/19, with a boy of 29/30.)

I will say that I think, in our case, the age gap has proved crucial and of immense value to us both.

I'd echo Xoc there. The age gap is a big deal in a lot of ways: it's not because it doesn't matter that our relationship works, but because it does matter.

God, I've been typing and deleting things for about half an hour now, and I have to go and teach. Will try and put together a coherent post in relation to the many excellent points raised here, over the weekend.
 
  

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