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Post-banning discussion thread

 
  

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Ganesh
13:48 / 01.05.06
Flowers: I'd add something to the effect that the purpose of the thread is to discuss Poster X's posting, and ultimately to seek an opinion from as wide a cross-section of Barbelith as feel strongly enough to opine. All opinions are to be encouraged, and there is no 'right' or 'wrong' viewpoint.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:49 / 01.05.06
Worth also reposting id entity's sample post, which I think makes a good format:

I would also like to encourage people to post in the dialogue thread with an eye toward accomplishing the following:
Say how you have observed the poster behaving, with links wherever possible. ("The poster stated that Jewish people lie about the Holocaust in this thread.")
State how this has affected you. ("I felt threatened, because I am Jewish and my family is Jewish, and the Holocaust is very real to me. Reminders of antisemitism, such as alleging that Jewish people lie about the Holocaust, make me feel threatened by reminding me that violence against my family could happen again. I felt afraid, and feeling afraid I became angry, and then I couldn't continue with the discussion productively.")
Avoid expressing opinions as feelings. Avoid expressing feelings as snark. (Suffering leads to judgment, judgment leads to outrage, outrage leads to snark, snark leads to suffering.)
State your needs. ("I need to feel safe from attacks against some part of my identity on Barbelith.")
Make a clear and specific request of the poster and/or the board which will address your needs. ("I would like you to stop talking about Jews, Jewishness, the Holocaust, and WWII on the Boards. I would like you not to PM me. If you won't do these things, I would like Barbelith to ban you so that I do not have to feel threatened on the Board.")
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:22 / 01.05.06
Just quickly, so nobody thinks I'm being rude: I am going to take a little time logged out of the lith (longer than 10 minutes I mean) as the fun/non-fun balance has tipped the wrong way for me recently.

It could well be my fault as much as anyone else's ~ I could have stayed on nice threads about comics! ~ but I come to Barbelith for relaxation rather than "work", and too often now it's feeling like some of the most uncomfortable places I've ever worked: stress, politics, hassle. It would be masochistic of me to stay involved while I'm feeling this way about the community, and about the Policy in particular.
 
 
eddie thirteen
00:20 / 02.05.06
Word. When daily habit brings you somewhere and you find yourself doing a Billy Idol sneer at the screen before you even read a message, I mean, unless that's characteristic (I'm pretty sure it's not for me, but the new laptop's screen is reflective where the other's was not, so...maybe it is?), it's probably time to disengage a bit. I kthxbye at all and hope I in some roundabout way contributed, I dunno, something other than aggravation to the discussion. See you in one of the less head-explodey forums.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:52 / 02.05.06
Going back to the idea of moderators sending a relatively standardised PM to members to tell them to watch their language/step back and calm down.

I think that Toksik has a point when ve mentioned vis concerns about people recieving one and interpretting it as an aggressive or threatening message.

One suggestion would be that, once a forum's moderators have decided that a warning would be appropriate, they contact a moderator from another forum (or at least one who isn't involved in the thread in question) and that mod sends the message.

Obviously the mod sending the PM warning should have offending post(s) sent to them so they are aware why the message is being sent.

Does this seem like a bit of a "round the houses" way of doing things.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:08 / 02.05.06
Well, logically it might be best coming from Tom Coates, although that might put a time lag in...
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:14 / 02.05.06
True. Although it would be more effective if it could be sent ASAP rather than waiting.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:30 / 02.05.06
And also there's the problem of the mods contacting one another and saying "do you think ze is being offensive?" After all, there was disagreement until the end over whether Shadowsax was being offensive and how offensive etc etc.

It would probably be best for mods to PM people, but be careful to have some form of words which doesn't antagonise the person. The last thing we need is to drive away someone who may be just not making themselves clear as opposed to someone who is actually malicious.
 
 
iconoplast
14:27 / 19.05.06
Just be sure that the PM makes clear that it is the Mod who thinks the poster has crossed some boundary, and that this is not a threat or a... Sanctioned Barbe-Hit Squad. Just "Hey - I'm a Mod, I've been here for a while, I know what kinds of posts lead to people getting in trouble, I think you probably want to look at what you posted again.'

Oooo. Use the phrase 'underthinking'. I love that one.

Out of curiosity, and a desire to not have to read the thread, how many total votes were cast (both sides) w/r/t ShadowSax?
 
  

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