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CASANOVA - by Matt Fraction with Gabriel Bá and Fabio Moon

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:37 / 03.08.07
Okay, so now Image Comics has this listed as out next week, on the 8th. Dear god, let me not be hallucinating this time...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:19 / 08.08.07
OUT TODAY!

Definitely the beginning of a new arc, Moon's art is going to take some time to adjust to--other the two brothers, Ba's the one I tend to favour, his linework is a lot cleaner and clearer--dark blue instead of green for the two-tone, and we're into a wild blue universe....
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:16 / 10.08.07
Well, it's been a few days now and there's the comic, mostly taking up space in my bag because the series? Is so pretty. It's been a big source of indirect inspiration (in terms of process) with the story I've been writing, and so I've been looking at the first arc a fair amount, and there's GULA, waiting to be talked about.

Big Blue Sex World. Moon's linework and the two-tone definitely stabilizes and relaxes about halfway through -- with the mission briefing and that close-up of Sabine Seychelle, things really start to gel for me. The earlier emphasis on olive green was a calmer, more nuanced colour scheme, and this bold blue is a lot more dramatic and in some ways overpowering. At least at first.

Second half includes that turnaround, the big question, and a lovely shag-carpetted spaceship! Just to remind you about the Barbarella. Problems with the first half seemed to rotate around the fact that there were too many characters Fraction was trying to reintroduce - classic new arc issues. Otherwise, it was pretty sparky.
 
 
KieronGillen
15:43 / 13.08.07
I haven't read the new Cass yet due to travel and inability to get to a shop... but seeing it at San Diego was incredible. THAT BLUE! It's the only comic you can recognise pages from across a football stadium.

KG
 
 
_Boboss
18:48 / 13.08.07
this was fucking brilliant - been very unimpressed with the first run, dropped it after the second ish and got reacquainted after i got the trade for my birthday, still not really feeling it. but this one was cheap after all and a quiet week otherwise, so why not? and it was the ace, bumpier art and a plot that actually felt like it moved fast, (where in the past you would have just had characters telling you how fast things were moving). now that he's had six issues to meet some friends and get a cool house the strip has a solid set up to move from and does so with considerable verve in this last one.

funny too that fraction is such a morrison fan that he has to copy his old backmatter even.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:17 / 10.09.07
Ninth issue is out this very Wednesday~! Our long walk through the desert seems so much more pleasant now. This is the solicit:

This issue: Kubark Benday: The man you'll love to love. Valomilk Chocolates: What God would taste like if He had a flowing center candy cup. Zephyr Quinn: Brutal, beautiful and BACK with ten thousand sinister secrets. X.S.M. Island: What if Dr. Moreau knocked up an issue of POPULAR MECHANICS? And who’s that six-armed space-vixen daring to ask the question that melts men’s minds: WHEN IS CASANOVA QUINN? What does that even MEAN, anyway?

Rock-a-scooter! Zephyr's return!

Plus, Bá's Umbrella Academy drops the week after that.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
18:39 / 10.09.07
Excellent! And better yet (from Facestab's Casanovanauts group):

This from Warren Ellis' Bad Signal list this morning:

"Woke up (late) to email from
Laurenn, switched on the phone to
find text from Fraction: at 8pm
local time, Henry Leo was born to
Kelly Sue DeConnick and Matt
Fraction in Kansas City. Text ends:
"mother&son totally awesome.""

Congrats to Matt and family!


Kick, ass.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:57 / 12.09.07
Aw, yeaaaah. Most other comics I picked up this week were really blaise, barely a meager corn kernel to get my teeth 'round. But Casanova #9 -- "When The Wolf Comes Home" -- I can't stop myself from looking at it over and over again. Flipping through. The backmatter. Opening to a random page and going from there (or, occasionally, backwards).

[+] [-] Spoiler

Thoughts, Lith?
 
 
FinderWolf
00:27 / 13.09.07
They are apparently actually giving away, for FREE, at Midtown Comics in NYC (the one at 40th and 7th Ave.) the first issue of Vol. 2. Seriously. It's in a 'giveaway' pile right near the entrance/exit. I guess 'cause they want to boost sales for it/interest in it and because it's such a low price-point - or they had a lot of them that they felt they weren't going to get rid of.

So I took one.

The other give-away was Robert Kirkman's WOLF-MAN #1. Hardly on the level of CASANOVA, ya know?

they had a pile of about 30 issues of each book in this giveaway pile I refer to. Maybe it's for a limited time only... I dunno.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
18:25 / 13.09.07
Thoughts?? Try frothings.

I can't articulate what a great name Kubark Benday is. It feels as good on the tongue as one of those candies Fraction raves on about. It minds me of the kind of mangled pseudo-Romanized nomenclature that characters from anime and Godzilla movies sometimes get lumbered with (Char Aznable anyone?). Plus he has this ineffable Sam Rockwell quality that I used to project onto Cass himself, but am happy to switch over to Kubark as I now feel he wears it better. And Moon's fretting that he designed himself into a corner called 'Dragonball Wolverine' is rather touching.

Sasa Lisi I won't talk about because I think she's still a little too smug and in control at this early stage. These characters tend to do better when they crack open a touch and show their anxious human selves under the gloss. Zephyr has already done so, so I was completely comfortable with her zippy bits and action-movie flirting with Benday; meanwhile Kaito's scene was wonderfully vulnerable, no matter that it included dynamite sex with an android girl inside the head of a giant robot.

And if we don't get some info on 'Gustav Toppogros' and 'Suki Boutique' next issue I'll sulk.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:39 / 13.09.07
"Kubark," I should note, refers to some sort of interrogation technique or something of similar connection. I googled it up after I read the comic.

Sasa Lisi is the anti-Barbarella, I'm thinking; particularly given the shag interior of her flying machine. And I'm sure we'll see her crack at some point.

But, yeah. Issue? Stolen by Benday and the Kaito/Ruby post-coital pep talk.
 
 
FinderWolf
21:40 / 14.09.07
as a newcomer to the series, can someone explain to me what is meant/signified by the flock of ravens coming out of our hero Cass in issue 8? Is it symbolic of a psychic attack or something that he does?

Thanx.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:49 / 14.09.07
Cass has "weird brain things" - ill-defined psychic abilities. They originally manifested as spiders, but following his exposure to evolution-amplifying drugs on Coldheart Island -- a very wicked issue from the last arc -- his talents manifest as an unkindness of ravens.

Zephyr has similar brain stuff, which manifests as snakes; she's one of Fraction's earliest impressions about the series, based on the New Pornographers song, "Jackie Dressed in Cobras" (which is a pretty sweet song, all told).

Transfer-- I was rereading Number Nine today and I think in the end that Sasa Lisi's self-confidence and wit fits perfectly, counterpointing everyone else (Cornelius, Ruby Berzerko, Kaito, even Zephyr) and their disorientation and malaise with Cass's disappearance. She's fun and witty and I can fully understand Fraction's desire to, you know, write witty time travel dialogue.

There's a small error in there -- Kaito saying that he's only known the gang for just under a year when, on the very next page, Cass has supposedly been missing for over two years (having disappeared after Kaito had come to work at E.M.P.I.R.E.), but that's probably just a copy-editing mistake.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
05:03 / 15.09.07
Oh, I wasn't trying to hate on Sasa. I think she's great and I'm sure she'll be greater. She'd remind me of that little-seen recent movie CQ if I wasn't sure Fraction was going directly for the source of characters like her rather than pale imitations. And I love the starry-eyed perma-cosmic-awareness effect Moon subtly gives her:



How can you not love a face like that?

Good call on the Kaito thing. I was scratching my head there for a good while.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:24 / 15.09.07
That's a very Keith Giffen panel, there.

I'd wager that about six months passed between #7 and #8 -- long enough to get Kaito trained up and comfortable enough that Cornelius would let him sit in on briefings, followed by two years that pass between the missing briefing scene and Kaito's encounter with Sasa. I don't know, possibly Fraction's not thinking enough about reasonable timelines....
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:18 / 15.09.07
I've only got around to reading #9 today, and it's still bouncing around in my head.

I have a difficult time talking about Casanova. Whenever I try, a thousand fizzed-up, carbonated thoughts all bottle-neck in my throat and spill out my mouth as a weird UUURRGGHHHLLGLLE sound.

Kubark Benday isn't my favourite name, I'm Partial to "Dokkktor Klockhammer" myself. I occaisionally catch myself wandering around busy shopping areas, repeating it over and over in a very theatrical way.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:25 / 15.09.07
This may sound very stupid, but I constantly get the feeling that I'm just 5 years too young to really get the book.

All the reference points Matt mentions in the backmatter, and others that people in various places online mention, go just a hair's breadth over my head.

Close enough that I know exactly what everyone's talking about, but only because I've heard people talk about it before.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:45 / 15.09.07
Don't think of it that way-- think of it as wild references to things you can go out and find out about! Imagine yourself as Kaito, exploring the world after living aboard a giant robot for most of you life. I have a habit of downloading any track MF mentions in the backmatter and I'm slowing making a big-ass playlist for CASS. He's the source of my love for the New Pornographers, for example.

And fire all those carbonated thoughts in here, even if they aren't super-coherent.
 
 
Spaniel
09:01 / 17.09.07
He's the source of my love for the New Pornographers, for example.

After all my efforts trying to sell them to this bloody board...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:45 / 17.09.07
Sadly, I don't read the Music as often as I should.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
16:55 / 17.09.07
Is there anywhere online to get ahold of the BACKMATTERS? I would be interested to see the what the hell Matt Fraction is talking about in the back of his book...because I only buy trades. Ha!
 
 
Haus of Mystery
19:33 / 24.10.07
I picked up 8 & 9 of this on the recommendation of some respected friends.
after not bothering after the first issue.
I dunno man, I'm still a bit mystified about exactly why everyone thinks this is so badly the bees tits. I mean I understand the appeal of it, and it certainly has it's charms, but I can't help think it's trying too damn hard to run before it can walk. I'm all for overambition, and ridiculous 1000 ideas-a-page comics, but for me CASANOVA still doesn't deliver a satisfying enough wallop.
Part of the problem is that Fraction is so obsessed on all the fun little details he wants to cram in, that he forgets to give the thing a strong narrative drive.
Another major problem for me is Fraction himself - I like backmatter in a comic, but his meticulous explanation of every tossed off pop cultural reference just drains the comic of identity ultimately. He's so keen to let everyone know the why's and who's of what's in his brain whilst creating the comic, I just ened up thinking 'Who cares?' It's only on issue fucking 9 y'know? And for every issue we get 16 pages of story and 4 pages of Matt Fraction's creative life...it's just a little too early to be so self-congratulatory I feel.

There are definite good things about the book mind; The look of it, all that lovely euro-art fluidity; the fact there's no adverts (praise the lord!); the general feeling thta Fraction's trying to do something fresh and different, and that he clearly cares a lot. I can't fault his enthusiasm, and he's definitely a potential future big boy. But the continual frothing of people about how this is DEFINITELY!!!! the best comic on the racks seems waaaay off the mark, for this reader at least. It's more a collection of neat tricks and 'cool' one liners that don't cut the mustard IMHO, lacking in truly invigorating substance.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:05 / 25.10.07
It's a baby. It's head is still a bit soft and the fingers are nubby. But it's growing. Which is part of the reason that I like the backmatter so much -- it's early days, and watching the writer and artist talk about their creative processes as the baby develops is a good time. I personally don't find that the backmatter drains the thing of its identity at all, but that's me.

It's not perfect by any stretch -- I think, for example, that Fraction has an interesting relationship with the concept of female robots as sex machines, definitely critiquing the idea but buying into it (figure out Ruby Seychelle, who seems to be shown only in mid- or post-coitus with Kaito during this run and, based on the orgone engine bit from last arc she might actually be powered by having sex with him all the time). But it knows, at least it seems to know, when the critique isn't getting a little thin.

I don't know. Casanova is quite sloppy at times but it feels wholly organic and natural; this is one of the reasons that while I like Alan Moore I find his intricate glasswork storytelling a bit oppressive at times.

Issue Ten's out this week, by the by, and it utterly blew up the small panic attack I was having this morning so it's worth something at the very least. Zephyr does her thing, we get some icky sex, we have a better idea of what the time inconsistencies might be about, and Sabine Seychelle spends more time making me want to read about his full-scale adventures.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:04 / 25.10.07
I bought issue 10 (haven't read it yet - it's sitting in the bag with the Steranko 'Fury' collection I picked up also. Interesting to read some original and 'nu' psychedelia together..), so I'm not against the comic by any means. It's more I suppose the relentless tide of goodwill towards it makes me question whether people simply want this comic to be the greatest because it looks and smells like it should be. I feel similarly about Godland - another often good comic that feels slightly hamstrung by it's desperation to be everything all at once.
I'm beginning to sound a bit grinchy and negative though. I'm still giving Casanova the benefit of the doubt until/if my interest drops off.
 
 
KieronGillen
23:47 / 25.10.07
I read issue 10 a while back when Matt showed it me, and - frankly - I thought it was the most gloriously beserk comic in years, hot and monstrous in equal measures. And the final page has ruined going to the cinema for me.

KG
 
 
_Boboss
07:49 / 26.10.07
sorry toney, i feel i must take some responsibility there. issue 8, the restart one, sruck me at the time as a perfectly balanced, well plotted mix of action, intrigue and hanging around inbetween talky bits, with a huge improvement in the art from the first book.

issue 9 was, i thought, back to the shouty pointy baby mess i originally pegged the series with.

not read 10 yet, maybe it's great. the book gets a lot of second chances from me, for some reason.

and you're right, the backmatter is massive wank, making fraction and co. look far stupider than the rest of the book leads you to believe they are. the space would be better filled with a text story, EMPIRE fact files (i.e. little 'handbook of the casanova universe' entries), pin ups, script excerpts, 'bits we couldn't show', even bloody adverts (make hay while it's sunny boys), than the dreadful, unedited, last-scribbles-before-bed they've got in there now.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
22:44 / 27.10.07
"Seventeen". Ladytron reference? God, I hope so.

Kinda icked out by the whole 'my hot girlfriend's making out with a sleazy mark while I monitor them and get off on whispering intimate and controlling things to her' sequence, especially since the scene transition into Kaito and Ruby's sex was so well done. It didn't help that the whole thing reminded me of a similar scene in The Venture Brothers, a show that, like it or not, definitely lives on the same street as Casanova. Id-monkey Kubark with his hands down his pants, though, continues to win me over, though I'm still not sure the scene should get a pass.

Sasa Lisi is becoming more appealing to me now that the other characters are being obliged to take her seriously - I like that Sabine is the first to do so, considering he's probably the biggest female-objectifying fetishist in the book - and she does look rather fetching with her hair up.
 
 
Robert B
03:05 / 31.10.07
Casanova is why I still read comics. Simply great stuff.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:56 / 31.10.07
Transfer: "Seventeen". Ladytron reference? God, I hope so.

When you made the connection I downloaded the song. The impact that this comic has had on my playlist tendencies...

Kinda icked out by the whole 'my hot girlfriend's making out with a sleazy mark while I monitor them and get off on whispering intimate and controlling things to her' sequence, especially since the scene transition into Kaito and Ruby's sex was so well done.

I'm not entirely convinced by their relationship, to be brutally honest. On the one hand, it reminds me of one of the better elements of the later seasons of Alias -- where Lauren Reed and Sark end up as lovers/partners in a similar fashion to Kubark and Zephyr, ultimately played as evil counterparts for Sydney and Vaughn, and I'm left feeling that they're going to end up in conflict with Kaito and Ruby (assuming, again, that Ruby gets to do something besides have sex sometime in the near future -- but let's be honest, it's probably going to be them against Kaito and Sasa Lisi). At least that's what I'm telling myself because they're whole plotline seems rather disconnected as these things stand...

But I suppose that was part of the point with this arc, right? How the world functions without a Casanova (either good or bad, native or imported), so everything's rotating around a central absence rather than trundling along a straight line.

And yet, Zephyr is the evil twin (and you have to question whether her fetish is having sex following a massacre or having sex while watching herself seduce a mark on screen) and as much as I enjoy the comic I'm not sure that Fraction's quite getting himself away from the problemmatic subtext that bad girls have squicksome sex. Or, perhaps the clarity she was beginning to achieve with the last arc - going to Coldheart Island and finding her mother again - is gone without Casanova. Which means? I don't know. I suspect that something happened on Coldheart and that's why she's back and that's why she's putting herself into this relationship.

It's not like Zephyr has particularly good taste in men or what you'd call equal power relationships -- look at Newman Xeno, they were troubled times ten.

There's something -- I don't know. Kubark and Zephyr are almost predicated on problemmatic sexual portrayal as part of their interaction -- no matter how hard Zephyr might try, she's a bad girl in this reality and Kubark's bad and so their relationship's going to be bad. Look at the elder Benday. But at the same time, she gets to run around and be bad and shoot things and have power while Ruby hasn't done anything.

Mostly just thinking outloud now, someone feel free to respond, cut down, admonish, suggest a connection...

Maybe I just miss Ruby Berzerko and the Season 1 supporting cast, who seem to be cut loose in the wind; Cass's absence does affect them and I'd like to seem some story-time devoted to WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

It didn't help that the whole thing reminded me of a similar scene in The Venture Brothers, a show that, like it or not, definitely lives on the same street as
Casanova.


This is very true, particularly given the Jonny Quest references in both series.

Id-monkey Kubark with his hands down his pants, though, continues to win me over, though I'm still not sure the scene should get a pass.

It's a good panel, a lovely panel, but I'm not entirely won over by Kubark yet. He's no Sabine Seychelle.

Sasa Lisi is becoming more appealing to me now that the other characters are being obliged to take her seriously - I like that Sabine is the first to do so, considering he's probably the biggest female-objectifying fetishist in the book - and she does look rather fetching with her hair up.

Sasa Lisi needs more panel time, but I can totally understand holding off on her, with her Barbarella shag timeship and the gratuitous costume changes, popping secondary arms, and air of mystery. She could quite easily become a cliched parody of an it-girl. That said, she and Kaito need to get into some spy action already.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:08 / 30.11.07
Whoa-whoa-whoa. Did Number Eleven come out this week? I have not been to the Comic Bookery Boutique this week and I just discovered that this might be out. Why did my psychic gonads not sense it's dropping like the bomb? WHY FOR THE LOVE OF ALL?!

Sorry. The possibility of Ruby Berzerko makes me a little crazy.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:31 / 30.11.07
Yup. Twas out. Lots more nudie ladies. Come on Fraction, money where your mouth is, and let's see some cocks.
 
 
smurph
15:05 / 30.11.07
I really liked the backmatter to this issue. Especially the bit about trying hard to find an Alan Moore style theme to weave in and out.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:47 / 30.11.07
Yes!

I agree, Fraction's getting away with too much "women as sex objects" in the name of Pomo Spy Sensibility, which is something that's bothered me before; the one circumstance of male sexy bit reveal was Heath and Cass fighting it out in a "sword-fighting" fashion.

That said, Eleven was still fun. Great backmatter, and I love the whole Suki Boutique routine, the reveal of her as a forebear in the spy world as the Quinns kill the Old Order (Cass killed Suki's ex, Winston Heath, so there's some lovely symmetry). Oh Suki, we hardly knew ye. The reveal of her inner pathos, the question of identity -- match that up with the reveal of who Cass really is.

Like the interrogation scene, but I'm a suckah for the intertitles. And this is, after all, a kinda silent film.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
19:07 / 30.11.07
Yeah the formal playfulness was my favourite bit (although again it kind of annoys me that Fraction has to explain what he was doing..dude, we get it!).
I love Moon's art though - it's so loose and sexy.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
23:21 / 30.11.07
This was out?! Annoyed! Will have to wait a day or two before I get my sweaty mitts on it, now.

Btw, Papers, everything you said answering my earlier post upthread was on the money, but as it seemed so complete, a follow-up post replying, 'Yes, I agree with the person before me, that comicbookian love god that he is' would have been redundant in my eyes.

More when I'm allowed to return to the blue sex world.
 
  

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