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Am I missing something Ibis? You don't seem to have any trouble believing the allegations against Sheen but you dismiss every word when the accusations go the other way.
I admit that my credulity is leaning toward the person who was granted a restraining order by a judge based on the document I linked to. And no, I don't find it TOO hard to believe that Charlie Sheen is addicted to drugs and that while under the influence he has behaved in a threatening manner - so sue me.
When Sheen calls Richards's allegations a smear campaign your response is to call his comments a smear campaign. This is celebrity gossip for fuck's sake. How do you know which bits are true and which aren't?
Actually I characterized the show, not Sheen, as launching a smear campaign. I do find it disgusting for "The Insider" (which if you've ever seen it is normally all a bunch of celebrity ass-kissing) to make really heavy-handed insinuations that Richards is some kind of adultress with a wacked-out "moral compass" (?!) for spending time (embracing or whatever) with another man, when they're both legally separated.
I don't really think it's a good idea to be taking sides in celebrity gossip when you don't know how much is true on either side.
Are you serious? You just said, "It's celebrity gossip, for fuck's sake."
I also find Ibis's comment a bit odd: I feel terrible for her, especially if all of the allegations are true. So if the allegations are untrue you still feel sorry for her?
Well, yes, I feel sorry for her if some of the allegations were untrue, or if she just wrongly perceived them and felt threatened when no threat was there. Or if this is just the usual ugly divorce poo-slinging going both ways, I still feel sorry for her that she's being portrayed as some sort of harlot while the media rallies behind him.
I can see the same unneccessary moralising in this thread as Ibis is complaining about elsewhere, and to be honest I can't really believe we're discussing it.
You don't have to discuss it. There are a lot of threads in Conversation that don't interest me in the slightest, but I don't go busting in yelling at everyone in them that they're wrong or ridiculous for talking about whatever they're talking about.
Has it come to the point where we need to analyse celebrity gossip to find new moral outrages?
I'm not going looking for moral outrages and I don't see how you arrived at that conclusion. As I said, I follow celebrity gossip all the time. I know it's a frivolous hobby, who cares?
Why is there even a thread on Barbelith about this rubbish?
Do you really want to go there? Look, I started ONE THREAD about a celebrity gossip item. If it's really so far below the bar of the Conversation forum, I promise never to do it again.
I really don't understand why you're getting so fired up about this thread, but I'm guessing you suspect me of chauvinist-baiting or something? I really don't know. The timing of my having read the Smoking Gun piece was purely coincidental in relation to the ShadowSax debacle. It came out a few days ago and I've been out of work for a few days, sitting at home scouring the Internet for entertainment. If sexism is a bit more on everyone's mind lately and that has shaped everyone's responses to this subject (including mine), I really don't see how that's my fault. I would guess it's just one of those cyclical things, and in six month's time every thread will seem to be about some new issue.
Didn't Tom already have to wash the board to avoid a defamation suit? Threads like this can't help much.
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