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Mono, Poly, and Everything in Between

 
  

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8===>Q: alyn
22:58 / 17.04.06
I guess.
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
00:56 / 18.04.06
[D]oes setting parameters just make you feel kind of square or like you'll look square to others? Or does it make you feel like you're going against your principles, or giving into an urge you don't believe is right?

Well, I definitely feel a bit weird and hypocritical when I try to set these kinds of boundaries, especially because people have tried to set boundaries on my behavior. But yeah, I guess I can't help myself. I can't stand the idea of having to vie for my partner's attention, even though I also don't buy into the idea that people should suppress their natural physical urges, that somehow people should stop having hots for other people just because they're in relationships.

So that's pretty much where I am... we'll see how things pan out.
 
 
HCE
03:58 / 18.04.06
Well, I don't think that adults who've been in relationships really believe that you should stop having feelings for other people -- it's more that you think you gain depth and security of attachment or a more profound connection if you commit wholly to one other person. I have never been committed to any single person for fifty years, as some people have, so I can only guess at what it would be like for me based on what I know about what I'm like.
 
 
*
04:22 / 18.04.06
I'm poly. That said, poly zealots irritate fuck out of me. If I meet and fall in love with someone who is monoamorous by preference, I want to know I can decide to be monogamous with hir without certain members of my community accusing me of suddenly not being cool enough to play on the swing set with them.

Probably not adding much to this discussion. Sorry.
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
07:51 / 18.04.06
actually, i appreciate that perspective (id)entity because i feel that way too. i feel like i can happily be in an exclusive relationship if it's the right person. but i feel like i get flak from both sides of the mono / poly divide for having this position. i suddenly feel bisexual.
 
 
Spaniel
08:56 / 18.04.06
Whilst I can't imagine having polyamorous relationships (after reading Barbelith and talking with polyamorous people I think I have a pretty good understanding of the term's possible meanings) I think it's great that there are those that can and do. Personally, the prospect of infidelity scares the shit out of me - I just don't think I'd cope very well with my partner having sex with or being romantically intimate with anyone else, and on the flip side I think she would see infidelity on my part as a deal breaking betrayal of trust. Basically we're both emotionally unequipped to cope with the baggage polyamory would bring.
That said, I'm currently loving monogamy. For the first time in my life I feel utterly secure in a romantic relationship, and utterly supported. Being a twin I value the narrow focus of close one on one emotional intimacy, and within romantic relationships I can't imagine putting in the kind of work that would be necessary if I was to try and stretch myself further.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:28 / 18.04.06
Personally, the prospect of infidelity scares the shit out of me - I just don't think I'd cope very well with my partner having sex with or being romantically intimate with anyone else, and on the flip side I think she would see infidelity on my part as a deal breaking betrayal of trust.

Well, yeah - that's why it's called infidelity - it's breaking faith. So, if you were polyamorous, and had agreed that you could sleep wth other people according to certain conditions, and those condditions are fulfilled, it wouldn't be infidelity. Of course, people find new and exciting ways to betray trust in polyamorous relationships all the time - by developing emotional relationships when the deal is purely sexual, by not bothering to tell their partner, by getting involved with people they know their partner would veto (if that's how the relationship is set up) and not telling them, by having sex with a new partner and not telling their partner until the next day to avoid an awkward conversation about whether it would be OK or not ... the possibilities are as open and exciting as they are for the monogamous.
 
 
Spaniel
10:18 / 18.04.06
Yes, infidelity was a bad choice of word. I was using it as short hand for my partner forming close-romantic bonds with others, and/or embarking on sexual relationships with others.
I fully appreciate that there are numerous ways in which people can betray trust in polyamorous relationships. I think it was worth you highlighting the issue, however, as I'm sure there are those that mistakenly see polyamory as psychologically and emotionally safer than monogamy, rather than simply a different set of parameters.
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
14:36 / 18.04.06
maybe i've grown cynical in my old age, but i've seen enough instances of infidelity in both mono and poly contexts that i just generally take the attitude that if someone wants to be with me, fine, and if someone doesn't, then the person shouldn't be with me. so i guess ultimately, i'm looking for someone who's on the same page as me as far as this goes, and alas, i'm suspecting that none of the people i'm going out with are on the same page as me, a couple leaning too far in the mono direction, and one leaning too far in the poly.

and given all the other things i'm looking for in a relationship, maybe i'm just destined to be single despite the bevy of options, which will only dwindle as i get older.

*sigh*
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
16:17 / 18.04.06
i'm looking for someone who's on the same page as me as far as this goes, and alas

Me too.
 
 
*Alice
16:29 / 18.04.06
Not long ago, my partner and i decided have an open relationship (with boundaries). I wanted to find something that have been lost/missing in our relationship. We both thought it was an awkward thing to try, but agreed to do it anyway. While the idea of hanging out with other people once in awhile is tempting 'n fun, I've come to the conclusion that I don't like polygamy at all. Ultimately, I want to be in a relationship with a guy that I'm madly in love with, and who will love me in return. Not a guy who's willing to share me with other guys. I want a relationship that involves companionship, passion and commitment.
 
 
Cat Chant
16:37 / 18.04.06
GGM, you beat me to it!
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
16:53 / 18.04.06
Ah, relationship topics. One of the things that has been foremost on my mind these days.

Most of the old-school Barbelithers know about my previously extremely unhealthy relationship from a few years back. Anyway, since then, I have been pretty gunshy about wanting to get involved with anyone seriously. I slept with a couple of people, didn't want a relationship with them, and more or less, wrote them off. I felt bad at the time about it, but less so as the march of time goes on. For the entirety of my dating life, it's been one boyfriend after another--but to my failing, it's always been side treats of other boys or girls, too--so I while often professed faithfulness, I was not faithful, and even more awfully, I demanded of my partners they be faithful.

It was completely a case of "having your cake and eating it, too, in fact, have you any other cakes?" And where has gotten me?

Nowhere. Not a single damn place.

I'm trying dating again, but am wary of doing so since I know that karma likes to get its hooks in and teach you a lesson about your awful ways. I've been on a series of dates with a few nice young men, but so far, have found only one that really strikes my fancy. So I worry. I worry that if this relationship were to get serious, then I would immediately regress back to my old ways, or some other twist of fate would occur.

I always used to say that all I really wanted was a series of boyfriends who didn't know about each other, and I realize now that that is not the case. I want the one guy, a really great guy, and I want the potential for a permanent attachment. I also wondered if I haven't damned myself in the process.

Sorry.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:10 / 18.04.06
Ultimately, I want to be in a relationship with a guy that I'm madly in love with, and who will love me in return. Not a guy who's willing to share me with other guys. I want a relationship that involves companionship, passion and commitment.

Er, little bit of a value judgment here?

'willing to share' is different from, just as an example, 'happy about my partner having loving relationships with other people' or, 'keen that my partner has spaces in which to get from someone else things that I cannot or do not wish to provide'.

The first isn't something I'd fancy either, as it sounds a bit grim/devaluaing whereas I'd suggest that people who felt either of the above two statements would be valuing their partner, albeit in a different way.

Also, who's to say that relationships involving permutations of more than two people don't involve companionship, passion and commitment?

Perhaps it's just that the criteria by which these qualities are judged shift?

quoting from Ex above:

And I've read a bucketload of stuff about nonmonogamy, and talked to nonmonogamous people, and been nonmonogamous, and got a load of useful concepts from all that (as well as from feminist and political writing) - taking responsibility for your own feelings, not trying to own or control your partner, or be the be-all and end-all for your them, and knowing that your partner's love for someone else isn't a threat or an insult. But I'm currently doing monogamy

I'd say that most forms of relationship structure have things worth taking from them that apply to other types of relationships.

Monogamous realationships for example offer a valuing, as people have said, of intense connection with/focus on your partner.

There *are* specific challenges, but I realy do believe that of it comes down to commnication, honesty with self and others, compassion, a wilingness to try and being on a similar page (or being able to negotiate to that page) as regards what you what from that relationship.

in a kind of mirror to Ex, I've done monogamy, in and out of relationships*. I've thought alot about monogamy, discussed it, tried it. I'm currently doing nonmonogamy.

Have been non-monogamous for a while now. It seems to be working better for me, and that's why I do it, not because it is the One Way.

I also have very little patience with anyone who espouses a 'One True Way' philosophy about any type of relationship.

The important thing, and its pretty obv, is to find what works for you. Hopefully you then can find someone/s who want similar things...

Currently describe myself as 'learner poly', in that polyamory is pretty new, it's an experiment and exploration. Poly and me, we're having a bit of a probationary period, and seeing what happens.

Right now I would definitely describe myself as nonmonogamous, but not always as poly, I don't think.

Final thing I'd like to say, is that it's not neccessarily an opposition, a neat line with monogamy at one end and polyamorous at the other. There aer a million differing 'lines' along that scale that work for different people.
Or one's monogamous/polyamorus 'status' can depend on who one is in a relationship with.

For many people, the style of relationshp, 'being mono or poly' is pretty nonnegotiatble. But it's certainly not the case for all.


*This is to me an important distinction, between monogamous and/or polyamorous relationships and monogamous/polyamorous identities.

Saying 'I'm non-monogamous' doesn't imply to me that I'm going out looking for multiple lovers any more than saying 'I'm monogamous' would suggest that I was always on the hunt for my One True Love.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
17:14 / 18.04.06
I personally have always believed that a real relationship is built off of intellectual and emotional connectiveness, and I would find it difficult to have that type of connection with more than one person. Sex is a related, but separate, issue. Sexual intimacy with the person you feel "connected" to is almost always necessary, but that's not to say you can only be sexually intimate with one person. As long as all involved are comfortable with it, I'm all for swinging and three-ways and all the things like that. The key part of all this is everyone being comfortable with it.
But that's just the way I look at it.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:31 / 18.04.06
Spider touches on something important, in that 'serious' (ugh, I don't like that word, but I can't think of a better one atm) relationships, tend to involve more than sex/spankyspanky/Hide-the-penis-in-the-lady type activities.

I can be monogamous, presumably, if I'm in love with one person, in a relationship with them, and not having sex with them? Similarly with poly and more than one person.

If it's not about more than sex, I'd probably class that as something different, not worse(which I think needs saying), but different, and call that person or people my fuckbuddy(ies).

So when we're talking about monogamy and polyamory, I think it's useful to be clear. Are we talking about monogamy/poly in emotional, sexual, intellectual, spiritual, [add term here] terms?

Do these always come bundled up together?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:34 / 18.04.06
Or to put it another way, if one is looking for love in a/some relationship(s), how the love performs/may be defined by a vast number of different things.
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
17:44 / 18.04.06
I always used to say that all I really wanted was a series of boyfriends who didn't know about each other, and I realize now that that is not the case. I want the one guy, a really great guy, and I want the potential for a permanent attachment. I also wondered if I haven't damned myself in the process.

I'm a big believer in the idea that who we choose to be with is more a reflection of who we are than who they are. So I think that if you've worked on your issues, hopefully you'll be able to be with someone and not have the other person betray your trust.

I cheated on my first boyfriend, and after that, I was so wracked with guilt that I just couldn't do it with anyone else, even when I've had really significant attractions for other people. That's why I try to be really upfront about my feelings that having sex with others doesn't mean that one isn't committed to one person, even though I naturally gravitate to only being emotionally bonded with a single partner.

I've met so many people who seem happy to maintain this cheating model. One of my major boyfriends demanded exclusivity, and then I met an ex of his who he told me had cheated on him a number of times, even though they have since remained friends. I was aghast that he was willing to tolerate that kind of betrayal, that he would essentially prefer that I do stuff behind his back than be upfront about it.
 
  

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