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El Laberinto Del Fauno (Pan's Labyrinth)

 
  

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coweatman
19:31 / 21.01.07
actually there was a strong feminist component/contingent to the CNT. i haven't read it yet, but ak press put out what from all accounts is a very good book on that subject a year or two ago. this is also to some degree addressed in the film "libertaria", although to be honest i had some personal drama to deal with when it was being shown and didn't catch the entire thing.

"Going back to Chew On Fat's post, i don't think it's quite fair to describe the Spanish Civil War as a conflict of "warring patriarchies" or draw an equivalence argument (especially at the point in time depicted in the film, where the Republican/Communist/Anarchist forces had been effectively completely defeated, but just a few bands of (mostly anarchist, mostly autonomous and without any centralised leadership) guerillas/freedom fighters continued to fight on for sheer principle, despite knowing they had no hope of winning... Fascism, IMO, is/was the ultimate apogee of patriarchy, turning the most basic idea of an archetypal Man's absolute paternal authority over "his" family into an overarching, unrelenting political principle, with all its attendant obsessions about genealogy (seen only as father-to-son, with the women involved utterly dismissed as mere vessels of procreation) etc, whereas the resistance, while obviously not perfect in its gender relations (active fighters were mostly, tho certainly not wholly, men, while women were stereotypically used in "softer", more secretive roles such as Mercedes'), was consciously feminist and fighting explicitly against patriarchy and for equality... IMO, the Spanish Civil War is one of the very few recent-ish armed conflicts in which there's definitely one side that can justifiably be categorised, within anti-patriarchal and anti-militarist terms, as "good" and one as "evil"..."
 
 
coweatman
19:34 / 21.01.07
here's a link to the book through ak press:

http://www.akpress.org/2004/items/freewomenofspain
 
 
FinderWolf
16:37 / 30.01.07
This was just freakin' fantastic.

Also,

>> (actually I didn't think to look for the title in Spanish - "Del Fauno" and "Pan" aren't really the same, are they?)

Was this ever answered? I just read through the thread but didn't scour every word and didn't really notice this getting a response.

Doug Jones rocks. That is all.

And the 'hands in eyeballs, hands held up to the head to make creepy eyes' is UNBELIEVABLY CREEPY and wonderful. Ditto with his sticking out the hand-with-eyeball on it as the Pale Man staggers menacingly forward.

The little girl in this gives an amazing performance.

Some of the facist stuff reminded me of Schindler's List, the whole 'horrible man with the task of guarding/running a facist outpost in the middle of nowhere, we get the sense it's a crap assignment on the facist gov't ladder' sort of thing, lots of scenes of horrible guy shaving, etc.
 
 
nighthawk
16:57 / 30.01.07
Was this ever answered? I just read through the thread but didn't scour every word and didn't really notice this getting a response.

An article I read in Sight and Sound suggested this was because 'The Faun's Labyrinth' or 'The Labyrinth of the Faun' just don't sound as catchy as the final title. I can't remember whether that was an official explanation, or speculation by the journalist.
 
 
X-Himy
16:59 / 30.01.07
I would think that a better English translation would have been satyr instead of faun. Is there is a difference in the two creatures?
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
14:11 / 25.02.07
Pan's Labyrinth is apparently showing again at both the Midlands Arts Centre and Warwick Arts Centre in March. This may be the first time i ever go to see the same film at the cinema twice...

Also, according to Amazon, the UK DVD is out on March 12th, as is a box set also containing The Devil's Backbone and Cronos (which i haven't seen)...

(strange marketing, incidentally - the box set's only £6 more than Pan's Labyrinth alone, which costs £12... given that a lot of single DVDs are £15 or £16 on first release now, i can't see the point of putting out a single DVD which is such crap value in comparison to the box set...)
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
23:33 / 25.02.07
Del Toro interview at Onion AV Club

"Disobedience is the beginning of responsibility"...
 
 
Make me Uncomfortable
13:49 / 26.02.07
Spoiler



Just a brief note- There was a lot of subtle motifs about Ofilia's lost father, the tailor. The big one I'm thinking of is that the knife she got from the Pale Man's room was, in fact, tailor's scissors, or at least the handle had finger-loops and a seeming split down the middle. Since the whole deal is that her origional father is the King of the Underworld, it makes a certain sense.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
15:06 / 26.02.07
it snatched some oscars yesterday... what, three?
 
 
Blake Head
22:14 / 11.03.07
The original promotion I saw for this film was awful, the impression given of some garish mixture of a little girl battling against fascist stereotypes through the power of her fantasies. I held off from seeing it because it looked as though at best it would be visually arresting but patchy, good moments stretched across an uncomfortable hybrid of styles. Which is annoying, because I thought the two strongest points were how deftly the two aspects of the film were combined (without spelling anything out) and how essential each scene felt to the composition as a whole, nothing felt wasted in adding to the overall tone (though I think it will repay watching again too). I was particularly impressed that the scenes in the real world didn’t leave you impatient to get back to the visual fantasy, and that several scenes were both gripping and a bit too uncomfortable to watch, the way it was constructed to show an inevitable cruelty that was somehow still shocking and upsetting when it arrived.

The idea that this is a cruel world summed it up for me. The film was deeply unpleasant in places, and I’m not sure why the fantasy elements seemed to heighten that, because I actually didn’t find them distressing themselves, but in some ways I think it was because the fantasy didn’t offer a true escape from or have a tangible effect on the real world, but seemed to reflect it in a distorted and yet more truthful fashion.

Just to say it again, Ganesh articulates on the first page, in a great, great couple of posts, how well the imagery ties together and why it’s potent. I originally thought for the first third or so of the film that Ofelia saw her brother as part of the problem, the thing that tied her to this new place and new family unit, and that was reinforced by seeming to remember from somewhere that mandrake root was linked to miscarriage. Looking it up, I can’t find anything that justifies that association, and the rest of the film doesn’t (I think) really make room for there to be a subconscious desire on her part to terminate the child, although there’s definitely a fear or unwillingness to experience the messy, painful, complicated reality of childbirth. That said, these two these two sites suggest that as well as being linked to fertility, mandrake should be avoided or used with caution during pregnancy, so maybe there is something there somewhere.

The wiki on mandrake root also has this quotation:

but all the same it is certain that man came out of the slime of the earth, and his first appearance must have been in the form of a rough sketch. The analogies of nature make this notion necessarily admissible, at least as a possibility. The first men were, in this case, a family of gigantic, sensitive mandragores, animated by the sun, who rooted themselves up from the earth

Put anyone else in mind of the born out of the slime / muck / dirt / blood of the earth faun? I love that you can read the film as being Ofelia’s imaginative response to both the cruelties of her current life and the fear or doubt regarding both her mother’s and her own potential for pregnancy, and how the two seem causally connected in her mind. And I really liked the design of the insects, the leaf wings, and how both their bodies and the body of the faun seemed to be both malleable and under stress, as if they were trying to fit into something that wasn’t entirely comfortable or graceful. Really liked the film overall.

The boxed set nataraja mentions sounds tempting…
 
  

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