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El Laberinto Del Fauno (Pan's Labyrinth)

 
  

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Hieronymus
23:35 / 05.04.06
Didn't see a thread for this one due to debut in the Fall so I thought I'd pop one up.

I'm not a huge fan of del Toro's but visually anyway, this does look gripping, although that's never been a problem for him as a director.
The teaser is the only sneak peek out thus far. Ain't no dancing David Bowie numbers in this one, I'd wager. Thank god.

"Pan's Labyrinth" is a fanciful and chilling story set against the backdrop of a fascist regime in 1944 rural Spain. The film centers on Ofelia, a lonely and dreamy child living with her mother and adoptive father; a military officer tasked with ridding the area of rebels. In her loneliness, Ofelia creates a world filled with fantastical creatures and secret destinies. With post-war repression at its height, Ofelia must come to terms with her world through a fable of her own creation.

Here's a few pics from the movie too.





Bizarre, eh?
 
 
matthew.
23:42 / 05.04.06
BUT WILL THERE BE "PACKAGES"?


But seriously, this flick looks awesome. Del Toro has this amazing skill to get the fantastic to sit comfortably with the tedious without any problems. I'm really looking forward to this.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
14:35 / 12.09.06
Dang, didn't see this thread when I started the other one.

(actually I didn't think to look for the title in Spanish - "Del Fauno" and "Pan" aren't really the same, are they?)
 
 
Twice
16:30 / 20.11.06
This is released in the UK on Friday, so here’s the UK website and a selection of clips and trailers and stuff.

I’m stupidly excited about this. Almost, in fact, excited enough to keep my mind off of Bond’s trunks. Reviews are pouring in, and it’s hard to find one that’s not swooning.

In Pan's Labyrinth, fairytale fantasy and fascist reality vie for the soul of a girl and a nation, in an unmissable celebration of cinema's capacity to enthrall.
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:48 / 20.11.06
Gaaah! Release date here is 15 February 2007! They pulled the same stunt with Hellboy! I´m sick of this! Maybe I´ll fly to the UK for one day to catch it...
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:51 / 20.11.06
Oh, and your first two links don´t work, twice five toes.
 
 
Twice
18:03 / 20.11.06
Shheeesh, I be crap. Ta, Head/Box.
 
 
GogMickGog
09:30 / 27.11.06

I saw this on Friday and I still don't know what to say. Visually, it was never less than arresting. The fantastical moments - particularly the eyeless monster - were astounding, wonderfully wrought flights into magic-realis. Each shot was framed like a painting. Likewise, I was shocked, tearful and terrified when required. This film moved me, stirred me and yet, something didn't seem to work.

Looking back, I'm not sure that the two narrative strands combine as well as they might or, indeed, what sort of pertinent metaphor might be at play: what is the mythical realm trying to tell us about Franco and fascism? why was the balance more to one (the 'real') than the other? What are we supposed to take from the film? I will not accept that it offers a flight into fantasy, because there is some tremendous, grim realism. Hard truths are being faced but I felt that I could not quite source them.

On the level of a wonderfully shot, beutifully realised story with powerful emotional resonance I will take it, but, as a masterpiece - the masterpiece I know Del Toro can produce - I am still waiting...

It is a film I see myself revisiting
 
 
A fall of geckos
15:10 / 28.11.06
I saw this on Sunday, and thought it was good, but sub-Devil's Backbone (which I regard as an excellent film) right up until the final reel which blew me away. The aesthetic of the fantasy sequences is amazing, and the presentation of the civil war is uncompromising and genuinely disturbing.

Like Mick, I'm still unsure of how well the narrative threads combined, but there were some definite parallels between the two such as...








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How the decision Ofelia is forced to make at the climax of the film is foreshadowed by the speech of the Doctor when he refuses to just obey orders.

I definitely think that this is a film that will repay repeated viewings.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
13:36 / 01.12.06
Took a long time to get going, for me ~ at least half an hour or 45 minutes ~ but the man with eyes in his hands scared me like a little kid, and there were some subsequent scenes I had to look away from. The idea of a child escaping grim reality into a fantasy realm where he or she has to perform tasks and ascend to royalty doesn't seem especially new ~ didn't we see the same in Narnia last year, also in World War Two? ~ but individual scenes were definitely incredibly gripping and powerful, even if I'm not sure that the whole thing is going to remain with me.
 
 
Ticker
13:41 / 01.12.06
*claps hands*

I'm so excited to see it!
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
00:05 / 19.12.06
Just saw this film this evening (at the MAC - if anyone in Brum's interested, it's on there til Thursday and at the Electric Friday til Sunday), and IMO it was absolutely fucking awesome - way exceeded my expectations. I was expecting something very gothic, very visually sumptuous, possibly somewhat camp, possibly somewhat indulgent, but got something not only visually sumptuous but also one of the most emotionally powerful films i've seen (well, the fact that it pushed all my political buttons probably helped), and almost certainly the best thing i've seen in a cinema this year if not this decade (ok, possible slight hyperbole there, but not by much)...

I'm pretty sure the Narnia allusion was deliberate (i couldn't help myself thinking, at the first appearance of the Faun, "I wish Mr Tumnus had looked like that") - i also caught an allusion to the David Bowie Labyrinth with the "you must bring your brother" thing, and couldn't help thinking there was possibly a nod to Star Wars with the Fascist Father figure's black gloves and the one scene where he marches menacingly towards the camera while wearing a big black cloak... definitely one of the best, most rounded cinematic depictions of patriarchy-as-evil i've seen...

I'm not sure why the title was translated as "Pan's Labyrinth", despite the character being referred to throughout simply as "the faun" - he didn't seem to be intended to be the god Pan anyway (tho early on i did think perhaps he would turn out to be a lot more powerful and manipulative than he seemed to be - which wasn't really fully followed up on).

Loved the insect-fairies, and the visuals generally - it's always a mark of really good FX when you can't tell what's models/prosthetics and what's CGI (i'm assuming the Faun and the other creatures were completely CGI, but have no idea if that assumption's true)...

One common theme with The Devil's Backbone (which, IMO, wasn't as good as Pan's Labyrinth, but i didn't see that in the cinema, and was very conscious tonight of how much the cinema environment enhances, particularly emotionally, the experience of a film) was, i suppose, the evil male figure who represents the worst of humanity and who ultimately gets drawn into the supernatural world (previously experienced only by the child protagonist(s)), causing his downfall... also the orphaned child, the gender roles playing a large part in the tension, and the ambiguity of the position of ordinary people in a civil war (all of which were more developed in the later film IMO, so arguably The Devil's Backbone could, i guess, be regarded as a bit of a first study for Pan's Labyrinth)...

Will need to track down more of Del Toro's earlier stuff now. I've seen his English-language Hollywood films (Mimic, Blade 2, Hellboy), all of which were good-for-Hollywood but not great, but not the Spanish-language stuff he did before that (am i right in thinking his strategy is to alternate between doing an English film for Hollywood and then using the money from that to do a Spanish film for himself?) - heard his early stuff is a lot less narrative and more abstract, also that The Devil's Backbone and Pan's Labyrinth are the latter 2 of a "loose trilogy", but not sure what the first was...

Heavily recommended, anyway (especially if, like me, you have a bit of a thing for really brutal patriarchal evil-figures)...
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
00:19 / 19.12.06
IMDB says the Faun was a costume. Wow.

Also, will have to remember and look out for the names Sergi Lopez and Maribel Verdu (the latter reminded me strongly of Rosana Pastor in Ken Loach's Land and Freedom)...
 
 
Ganesh
07:52 / 19.12.06
LOTS OF BIIIG SPOILERY SPOILERS HEREIN...

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Wonderstarr sayeth:

The idea of a child escaping grim reality into a fantasy realm where he or she has to perform tasks and ascend to royalty doesn't seem especially new

Well no, it isn't - but isn't that the point? The idea of three tasks to prove one's secret royalty has mythic resonance precisely because it isn't new. It's an archetype, and arguably a particularly female archetype. In contrast to Narnia, there isn't an uneasily tacked-on Christian-flavoured bit; here, the fairytale seems to hark back to something more primal, pagan, determinedly pre-Christian.

Neil Gaiman briefly talks about the same phenomenon in A Game Of You: he posits that little girls' childhood fantasies are fundamentally different from little boys' in terms of the way power is 'packaged'. Boys, he claims, fantasise about being the strongest, fastest, etc., etc. whereas girls concoct elaborate fantasy lives in which they're secret princesses who must undergo tasks and/or ordeals before their princessness can be revealed/recognised.

I'm not sure I buy this theory, certainly not in its entirety, but I found it helpful in appreciating Pan's Labyrinth, which I reckoned to be about female fertility (or perhaps the 'lot' of being female in an aggressively male world) in the same way as Neil Jordan's (film of Angela Carter's) Company of Wolves was more explicitly about female sexuality. Both films feature young girls creeping into the earth via dark, damp holes in the ground...

In Pan's Labyrinth, the symbolism didn't seem to reflect female sexuality so much as pregnancy/childbirth, specifically the health and sickness imagery thereof. The twin-coiled Fallopian symbol is everywhere, from the faun's ramshorns to the blighted fig tree on the poster (figs themselves also, famously, being symbols of female genitalia):



Ofelia's tasks reflect her mother's perilous state as she struggles with advanced pregnancy. In the first one, she has to burrow through mud and dirt to the uterine depths of the fig tree where the toad sits, a bloated tumour preventing healthy growth and life. Ofelia symbolically eliminates the 'blockage' that is blighting proper growth/fertility within the womb-tree, and her mother's condition improves. Her role is that of antibiotic or perhaps surgical scalpel (both motifs that recur in the real life sequences, with the ill-fated doctor), getting to the heart of corruption in order to transform it. There's also something distinctly alchemical about her extracting gold (pure) from filth (impure) in the form of the key.

The second task is, I think, connected with miscarriage and abortion. The nightmarish hairless blind creature is reminiscent of dead animal foetuses whose eyes have yet to open, and the frescos seemed to depict it destroying children. Even the two grapes illicitly consumed by Ofelia could, at a stretch, be symbolic of ovaries (also eyes). I think it represents "miscarriage" in the way the toad represents "infection" or the old, non-specific usage of "cancer". There's something unpleasantly sterile, almost medical about the eyeless, sexless creature and its sharp pointy fingernails. The fact that Ofelia retreives a blade (scalpel?) from its lair is significant.

(When Vidal and his men subsequently go around their fallen enemies shooting them in the head, one man holds up his hand and is shot through it into his face - an echo of the blind abortionist's eyes-in-palms.)

The third task is harder to fathom but is, I think, connected to the idea that women will sacrifice rather than kill, harm themselves before others. This is perhaps borne out by the fact that, however cheap life becomes in the fight between Fascists and guerillas, the women do not kill. Even Mercedes maims Captain Vidal rather than doing away with him altogether (and Mercedes has hitherto been a healer figure, bringing food and medicine to those in need). The Mandrake Baby, bathed in milk and feeding on Ofelia's blood, is another potent image of female sacrifice for the next generation.

The nearest the film comes to females killing is when Ofelia poisons Vidal; even then, it's with a sedative which might simply have made him sleep (as opposed to lumber after her through the labyrinth like a dopey minotaur). When she herself is shot, she's shot through the pelvis, so her own blood sacrifice mirrors that of her mother's, in childbirth. It's also more distantly reminiscent of the traumatic 'coming of age' menstrual blood in Carrie.

Pan's Labyrinth was, for me, utterly outstanding. I really really want to see it again, as I suspect there's a whole lot more in it that I missed or absorbed on a more subliminal level. It's apparently the 'sister' film to The Devil's Backbone which I've never seen but have got on DVD now. I'm keen to see whether del Toro's handling of mythic male imagery is as deft.
 
 
Chew On Fat
09:43 / 19.12.06
To anyone who hasn't seen the film and who is interested in the Fantastic, in Leftist political history or just cinema that doesn't make you feel that you've been conned again, I'd strongly reccomend you check this film out in the cinema before it falls down the rabbit hole....

However, the rest of my reply might contain

!!!!!!! SPOILERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!



Wow! Thanks Ganesh. That's a very comprehensive and insightful reading of the film.

I knew when I was watching it that there was a lot going on but couldn't quite put my finger on it. So of course while I disagreed with Mick above that there was nothing more to the film than beautifully rendered fantasy, I didn't quite have your wherewithal to defend it properly. Your reading ties many of the different elements together that were otherwise disparate.

Still, Mick raises a good question about how the story ties in with the end of the civil war in Spain.

Perhaps to continue your reading, the 'realistic' portions of the film contrast the nourishing life-giving qualities of female fertility with the death-orientated, pain-inflicting patriachy and its wars of domination of one side over another. Note that rather troublingly, although the 'Dark Father' of the film is defeated at the end, an understanding of 20th century Spanish history means that we know the rebels/socialists were defeated in the long term and the fascists stayed comfortably in power for another 30 years. Even the victory of the socialists at the end of the film could not have been enjoyed very long as it would have brought down even worse retribution on the ordinary people of that region. This troubled me about the ending anyway, but by my extension of your reading just above, I guess which side was dealing out the 'death by patriachy' is beside the point. (politically, I would rarely feel that 'each side is as bad as the other' in these kinds of struggles, but I'm prepared to accept that as far as the warring patriachys in this film go)

As it happens, my 'significant other' wasn't able to go with me to the cinema the night I went, which I was sad about as ze'd have loved it, but it does give me a reason to go again. Also, as I normally hate films with distressing realities and sad endings, your revelation of how the film is a kind of sequence of pagan fertility rituals will help me get over my distress this time around. I can tell myself its all happening on a symbolic level! ;-)

Again, muchos appreciatos for your insights. I always really enjoy your thoughtful input when I'm lurking around the Lith! I hope you - and any x-people in your life - have a happy Christmas.
 
 
Hieronymus
20:25 / 19.12.06
Damn Ganesh. I'm now sold. Can't wait till this sucker arrives in the states.
 
 
Ganesh
22:36 / 19.12.06
It's also occurred to me that, in each task, the objects retrieved were symbolically 'male' (a key, a weapon and an, er, male infant) and 'pure' (the key was made of gold and I think the knife was too; babies are considered 'pure'). In each case, they were 'saved' from something threatening: Disease (toad); Miscarriage (blind abortionist); and Malign Patriarchy (father-minotaur). The fantasy elements are thus inextricably linked with the mundane, as Ofelia's actions save her baby brother from all three entities - in the final task, through self-sacrifice.

Presumably it's the second task going a bit wobbly that, via the film's internal logic, brings about the death of a) the Mandrake Baby, and b) Ofelia's mother. The two grapes?
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
00:57 / 20.12.06
I noticed that the knife was gold or gold-looking, but the key just looked like rusty iron to me.

Also realised that "Pale Man" refers to the eyes-in-palms beast, not the Faun (i think i skim-read "Pale Man" as "Pan" in the IMDB link). So my guess is that was a costume, but the faun, the toad and the insect/fairies were (at least mostly) CGI...

Not entirely sure that the Pale Man represents miscarriage/abortion - the frescoes etc suggested he was a traditional (will have to check up on Spanish fairy tales) child-stealer/child-eater figure, of the sort that would have been used to warn children off straying from home etc, and would more represent "stranger danger", kidnapping/sexual abuse, etc (i think the eyes thing as a limitation is the sort of thing that often crops up in these sort of myths). But your analysis is certainly one valid and logical one...

Mandrake baby thing i thought was more about women's traditional, orally passed down, symbol-laden and "natural" methods of healing/childcare/etc and how patriarchy is threatened by and has to crush them, replacing them with clinical, orderly, "masculine" medical science (which of course values the preservation of the male line over the "incidental" life of the woman)... could be influenced by ecofeminist authors in that reading tho...
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
01:04 / 20.12.06
also, at the end she's still an "innocent" (her blood activates the moon/labyrinth interface thingy that the faun claimed was ritually necessary for her to "return" to "her kingdom"), so i'm not sure it's her "failure" in the second task as individual fault that was to blame, but more structural factors combined with natural human fallibility (parallelling the "failures" of the guerillas/anarchists leading to many of them being killed)... the irresistibility of the food having the context of the scarcity because of war, and parallelling Mercedes' taking of medicine and food from the captain's store cupboard to feed the outlaw band...
 
 
Ganesh
06:41 / 20.12.06
I think all of that's perfectly valid and doesn't necessarily conflict with my own reading; I'm afraid I'm somewhat ignorant of the history or politics of the time, and am coming at this from more of a psychoanalytical/symbolist angle. It's striking, however, that Ofelia's final wound is such that she bleeds from the groin, which obviously has other significance in a girl around her age. The importance of the moon has additional menstrual echoes. Also notable is the fact that the weapon with which Mercedes strikes back at Vidal is concealed in her apron at lap level.

The relevant Wikipedia entry suggests that both key and knife are of gold.

The hairless eyeless creature reminded me of nothing so much as a miscarried rabbit foetus, which in turn made me think of the earlier reference to two rabbits carried by peasants who are summarily shot by Vidal and his men. A comment is made at the time that they're "too young for the pot" or similar.

Actually, twos crop up several times associated with death or bad luck. The two shot peasants, brace of young rabbits, two grapes consumed (as part, arguably, of the 'partial failure' of the second task as well as the fact, perhaps, that Ofelia had to be reminded by the faun to undertake the task at all - oh, and she opened a different compartment from that instructed by book and fairies), two fairies eaten by the blind creature, two female 'blood sacrifices' by the end of the film.
 
 
Ganesh
06:50 / 20.12.06
And it would appear that the faun isn't CGI but a costume "made mostly of latex rubber foam, and the ram horns were made of fiberglass".
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
11:20 / 20.12.06
Thanks, excellent link/article - it would seem that both Faun and Pale Man were played by the same actor then...

I'm afraid I'm somewhat ignorant of the history or politics of the time, and am coming at this from more of a psychoanalytical/symbolist angle.

I don't know as much about the Spanish Civil War as i should. You could do worse than the aforementioned Land and Freedom (loosely based on Orwell's Homage to Catalonia) for a very general introduction. A fair bit of stuff on anarchism in Spain (including but not limited to Civil War history) can also be found here...

The thing that really impresses me about this film (well, one of the things) is how integrated the symbolic/fantastical stuff is with the real/historical stuff, making it into a serious symbolic analysis of the actual history as well as both a "realistic" and "symbolic"/"fantastic" story in itself...

The fact that Del Toro grew up in Mexico (as mentioned in the link, which i hadn't realised) made me think of parallels between the femaleness, childbirth, miscarriage etc imagery in Pan's Labyrinth and that in Frida Kahlo's paintings (which probably should have struck me while watching the film, but somehow didn't)...

Going back to Chew On Fat's post, i don't think it's quite fair to describe the Spanish Civil War as a conflict of "warring patriarchies" or draw an equivalence argument (especially at the point in time depicted in the film, where the Republican/Communist/Anarchist forces had been effectively completely defeated, but just a few bands of (mostly anarchist, mostly autonomous and without any centralised leadership) guerillas/freedom fighters continued to fight on for sheer principle, despite knowing they had no hope of winning... Fascism, IMO, is/was the ultimate apogee of patriarchy, turning the most basic idea of an archetypal Man's absolute paternal authority over "his" family into an overarching, unrelenting political principle, with all its attendant obsessions about genealogy (seen only as father-to-son, with the women involved utterly dismissed as mere vessels of procreation) etc, whereas the resistance, while obviously not perfect in its gender relations (active fighters were mostly, tho certainly not wholly, men, while women were stereotypically used in "softer", more secretive roles such as Mercedes'), was consciously feminist and fighting explicitly against patriarchy and for equality... IMO, the Spanish Civil War is one of the very few recent-ish armed conflicts in which there's definitely one side that can justifiably be categorised, within anti-patriarchal and anti-militarist terms, as "good" and one as "evil"...
 
 
GogMickGog
12:20 / 20.12.06

Apologies if I made it seem that I felt there was nothing beneath the surface: I am sure there was. I just felt that it's conveyance was rather muddled and that the potential to ring something spectacualr from the narrative was thus a little fudged.

Interestingly, on the Culture Show Del Toro said that the clearest image he could find for the eyeless man was the Catholic church - the eye sockets in hands being symbols of it's blindness in co-operating with the fascists + also a sort of crude stigmata. The child killing aspect would therefore seem to be a metaphor for the destruction of innocence/fantasy?
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
18:02 / 20.12.06
That makes a lot of sense, especially with the whole Catholic priesthood/institutionalised child abuse thing.

And possibly even ties in to the Church's anti-sex, anti-contraception, anti-abortion stance (rooted, of course, in patriarchy) driving traditional (matriarchal?) methods of conctraception, abortion, etc underground and into the realm of woman-demonised-as-witch craft, bringing it back to the mandrake baby and the miscarriage symbolism...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
11:32 / 26.12.06
what a great movie, saw it yesterday. love to see these kind of challenging pieces of Fantastic art on Christmas days.

it also tied a bit to the Mexican tradition of 70s Horror movies, full of Catholic imagery. it's great to watch a flick with this kind of promotion that's not spoken in English.

brilliant analysis, Ganesh et all. as of now I have nothing else to add than praise the presence of Doug Jones [as the Faun / Pale Man], HELLBOY'S Abe Sapien and future FANTASTIC FOUR 2's Silver Surfer.
 
 
aluhks SMASH!
04:19 / 27.12.06
This opens near me in just a few more days... it's getting hard to bear the anticipation.
 
 
GogMickGog
12:06 / 27.12.06
Doug Jones as the Silver Surfer? My inner geek chuckles with glee...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
12:22 / 27.12.06
yup, check the FF2 trailer [screen caps there also].

blatantly off-topic, i know. now back to FAUN'S...
 
 
Princess
20:03 / 02.01.07
Oh God. I've just seen this. I will never, ever, ever be as good as this man.

How is it possible that the director managed to make this AND crap like Hellboy?
 
 
Ganesh
13:22 / 03.01.07
Hellboy wasn't crap.
 
 
GogMickGog
13:23 / 03.01.07
Seconded.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:25 / 03.01.07
How is it possible that the director managed to make this AND crap like Hellboy?

Hellboy was a bit goofy and walked the razor's edge of camp at times. But of all his films, Mimic stands out to me as his worst.

Anyone know when Pan will make it past just the selected theatre showings I'm hearing about? 'Cause I'm going nuts not being able to set my retinas on it.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
18:04 / 03.01.07
Hellboy... i wouldn't call it "crap". Silly, tho enjoyably silly, and a slight disappointment from a comic-fan point of view, but not terrible, and probably better than average for the type of film it is. Obviously a much lighter and shallower film than Pan's Labyrinth or even The Devil's Backbone, but it wasn't exactly intended to be particularly "deep" or "heavy"...

IIRC, Del Toro makes English-language, action-oriented films for Hollywood in order to make the money with which to make his independent, Spanish-language films, which are his "true" artistic statements (tho i think he put a fair bit of himself into Hellboy and Blade II too, IIRC he's a horror comics fan).

Any word on Pan's Labyrinth coming out on DVD?
 
 
Chiropteran
19:09 / 19.01.07
Tonight is (finally!) general release in the US, so I figured I'd bump the thread. I'm going tonight, and will probably post back later.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:43 / 19.01.07
Got to see a preview last night (I love when comic stores get a wad of free preview passes!).

I really liked it, but I'm having trouble seeing the 'masterpiece' that everyone is describiing it as being. Definitely admire the thoroughly un-American way of making this movie. In an American movie, every single thing that Ganesh pointed out above (thanks for that, btw) would have been spelled out to you in some way or another. Enjoy a movie that makes you work hard at it.

Aside from the female symbolism interpretation, I viewed the film seeing parallels between Ofelia's struggle and the Rebels' struggle. Her path followed in some ways the Republicans fight for freedom from the Fascists, and, like her, were momentarily confronted with the dream of success before tragically being defeated (Ofelia by death, the Republicans were presumably routed at some point after the film's events). It would take another viewing to outline the parallels, but all i can say is that seeing the movie this way felt very natural.
 
  

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