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Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:57 / 30.03.06
Sparked off directly by this and this, (but also this), I'd like to talk about differing expectations and intentions of the Conversation. My position, which I expect people are bored with hearing, is that the Conversation is no more an 'anything goes' forum than the rest of the board, but that some of the things that get posted in there are done so with this expectation in mind. In the past, threads considered, I'll be kind, not intellectually rigorous enough for another forum have been dumped in the Conversation.

Yet at the same time there have been some recent successes with topics deliberately mis-posted to the Conversation rather than what would be considered the 'proper' forum, because of negative perceptions of those parts of Barbelith and/or Barbelith's greater reach.

If I recall the chain of events correctly, the Conversation (or it's forerunner) used to be at the end of the forum list and was moved up front because some people were posting rubbish in the first forum they came across.

So, what is the Conversation? What do you think it is, what do you want it to be? What needs to be changed (if anything). As a Mod who got flamed for trying to get rid of a thread I didn't like, I wait to be guided by Barbeconsensus on how it goes.
 
 
matthew.
13:10 / 30.03.06
There are lots of worthwhile threads in the Convo. Lots. There are also lots of shit threads about absolutely nothing (say it again, huh!). This is sort of cross-post to both this thread and the gardening thread, but who is going to be the standard upon which we measure quality for Convo threads? Most of my threads have been started in the Convo forum because I hadn't thought of my topic in enough depth to have an actual HeadShoppy discussion. As the starter of the thread, I controlled the level of discussion in placement of the thread. From there, well, threads continually evolve. They are organic. I personally don't think we need a huge "meta-discussion" on Convo because when a shit thread appears, posters take the piss out of the thread itself. No need to agonize over the quality of each individual thread.
 
 
Jub
13:14 / 30.03.06
I see Conversation as a big forum with fuzzy boundaries encompassing pretty much everything and like it like that. There is less intellectual debate in there and it proves valuable for posters who want a respite from reading the more weighty forums.

If you considered Conversation as a pub with each table representing a table filled with your friends and acquantainces and people jumping about between tables to chip in, you are close to how I think of it.

Whether that means I'm happy with "anything goes" is another thing entirely. Whilst I don't necessarilly think there should be rules about "mum jokes" or whatever it's not something I would join in with - and if my mates were talking about this in a pub I would voice my displeasure and move to another table.
 
 
Smoothly
13:35 / 30.03.06
My position, which I expect people are bored with hearing, is that the Conversation is no more an 'anything goes' forum than the rest of the board, but that some of the things that get posted in there are done so with this expectation in mind.

Thing is, I don’t think that expectation is unfounded.

From the Wiki:

General discussion finds its way here - the Barbelith equivalent of a chat room, albeit one that operates in a slightly stunted version of real-time. If you've got a life-related query or problem, want to tell a dumb joke, ask for advice on where to buy decent t-shirts or just want to scream and shout about something that doesn't fit neatly into one of the other fora, this is the place to do it. You'll often also find threads starting up in Conversation rather than, say, Head-Shop, because the poster involved wants to discuss something in a less academic, more informal manner.
If you're not sure where to put your thread, this is as good a place as any. Moderators will be happy to shift it somewhere else later on if you so wish (and, of course, if it actually fits anywhere else).


Also, quite recently Tom offered his view on that forum’s role in this thread:

First things first - the Conversation is meant fundamentally for off-topic conversation, and that will mostly mean stuff that's either really informal and unstructured … I think by it's nature, because we need a place to let-off steam a bit with each other, it will never be (and maybe shouldn't be) taken as seriously as the rest of the board.

Now, these guidelines are just that, and there’s no reason why we shouldn’t amend or develop a forum’s remit. So, is there anything above that people feel opposed to or ambivalent about. Should ‘dumb’ be taken out of its official description? Do we want it to be ‘really informal’? Should we take it as seriously as the rest of the board?
The Conversation has always been moderated for libel, offence, harassment etc, but never – to my knowledge – for quality. We could begin to, but it would constitute a significant change in how that particular forum is moderated. And before we make such a change I think it's important that we discuss it in the open, amend the wiki etc.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
13:39 / 30.03.06
Personally I would like to see Conversation as a place for intelligent discussion which doesn't have to be referenced with anything more than anecdotal evidence. This is a distinction I'm borrowing from someone else, and I'm afraid I can't remember where I read it: but this person suggested that on Head Shop, you'd be expected to back up your assertions with a bibliography. That's no fun for me and I never frequent Head Shop, mostly because backing up assertions with bibliographies is too much like my "work". At conferences I invariably get a lot more out of socialising with intelligent, sympa people, than I do out of the official panels.

However, it's misguided I think to assume that the Conversation is the one place on Barbelith where lightweight, less intellectual discussion is allowed. I mainly read and post on Comics and Film/TV, and they're based almost entirely on opinion and close references to primary texts rather than any secondary scholarship. There are still, quite often, intelligent and well-argued threads, but the posts last week on Mister Miracle for instance were all engaging mainly with issues #1-4 of that comic, and the alt-hist talk about what if Swamp Thing hadn't sold drew primarily on fan-knowledge of the industry and its creators. The same basic approach is true of (for instance) Lost threads and Life on Mars threads, as far as I've seen.

So, a lack of "heavyweight" academic approaches to discussion (which I actually find overrated: academic discourse can sometimes be built on bluff, disguising a lack of genuine intelligence and meaning with scary-sounding jargon) is not unique to Conversation.

The distinction between "serious heavyweight" talk (not-Conversation) and "anything goes" (Conversation) is in fact, already, far more blurred than I think some people propose.

But the less heavyweight fora still seem based around a notion of quality control, of staying on-topic, of some point and purpose to every thread and ideally every post within it.

I would like to see the same principles apply to Conversation as apply to Comics -- the only difference would be that the former forum doesn't have such a rigid and limited range of possible topics. But the way you tackle and engage with those topics should, in my ideal Barbelith, be no less (or not much less) rigorous.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
13:44 / 30.03.06
I don't like the idea of any of the fora becoming elitist. Specifically, as has been seen today, what scale are judging the quality of any thread on, other than one persons opinion? If we begin to delete threads, even ones that people think are of no net worth, then we're falling into a interesting, but ultimately damaging situation. For example, people may begin to feel that their thread ideas are not worthwhile enough to be started, and as such we would end up with the same people starting the same kind of threads over and over, which would become old and stale. By having such a wide depth of quality, the board will become more interesting for it. Everyone here has the same voice - by creating situations where we judge and quantify the strength and worth of that voice, we're in danger of becoming myopic.

And I'd surely have to find someone else to be juvenile...
 
 
Jack Fear
14:11 / 30.03.06
And I'd surely have to find someone else to be juvenile...

There is no dearth of places on the Internet to be juvenile.

There is, however, a serious shortage of places that do what Barbelith does when it is at its best.

The question is: Should the board play to its strengths, or to its weaknesses?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:25 / 30.03.06
I'm in broad agreement with miss wonderstarr- probably not me that's being referred to, but I have said elsewhere that I like having intelligent discussions without recourse to background reading (ie- people who've ALREADY HAD the discussions) sometimes. Obviously there's value in the background reading- but there's also value in thrashing things out for ourselves. And a part of that can be anecdotal evidence, which is (rightly) frowned on in the Head Shop.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
14:34 / 30.03.06
I don't like the idea of any of the fora becoming elitist.

I'm not sure if having some level of quality control, or aspirations -- which are built into Barbelith's intentions as I understand them -- is "elitist". Maybe in literal terms that's true; but then a magazine, even a popular magazine, is elitist by only accepting articles that it thinks are well-written, engaging, intelligent and entertaining. A comprehensive sixth form is elitist for not letting you in without some level of previous education. Commercial television is elitist for not commissioning every half-hearted proposal about stump-fuckers as a sitcom. Maybe I'm elitist for only wanting decent, interesting people as my friends.

That doesn't mean we're confining ourselves to ivory-tower star councils whenever we apply any kind of standards.

As I think Jack pointed out, the internet as a whole is not elitist (except in class and national terms, in that it requires a level of financial support and technology). There are endless places online where you can post the first thing that comes into your head and reach an audience. There are so many discussion boards out there, many of them fairly similar in their level of discussion. Barbelith is trying to be different from most if not all of them.




Specifically, as has been seen today, what scale are judging the quality of any thread on, other than one persons opinion?


Many people's opinion.

If we begin to delete threads, even ones that people think are of no net worth, then we're falling into a interesting, but ultimately damaging situation. For example, people may begin to feel that their thread ideas are not worthwhile enough to be started, and as such we would end up with the same people starting the same kind of threads over and over, which would become old and stale. By having such a wide depth of quality, the board will become more interesting for it

The internet has that wide range, and it is of course interesting for it, but why should Barbelith mirror the internet and include gems you have to hunt for amid a mountain of manure? Why should Barbelith have to require direct links to anything decent within its pages, so people can cut through the crap to find it? Because that's how the internet works: you have to select your favourites and follow tip-offs to make sure you get somewhere worthwhile. If you tried reading it page by page, you'd be bogged down in dross.

The ideal of Barbelith, I thought, is that almost all of it is worthwhile, creative, thoughtful and intelligent.

By the by, I don't start many threads. I contribute to quite a few, though. You don't have to feel comfortable with or keen to start a thread to get something out of Barbelith. It might even be wisest if people just joining held back from leaping in that way, and joined existing discussions first.
 
 
Smoothly
14:47 / 30.03.06
The question is: Should the board play to its strengths, or to its weaknesses?

I don’t think that is the question (which is a shame, as that would make this discussion a lot simpler and sure to resolve in unanimous agreement).
Thing is, juvenilia has always had a place on Barbelith (at least for as long as I’ve been here), as William Sack points out in the other thread. And I don’t think having a space for the inconsequential stuff gets in the way of the good work going on along side it or in the other forums. I just don’t think it’s a zero sum game.

It’s been suggested that fluff threads are a waste of threadspace which could be devoted to something a lot more engaging, which seems to work on the same assumption, but I don’t think I see this. There isn’t a limited amount of ‘threadspace’ (unless you mean the real estate of the front page – which isn’t that limited), and the existence of one thread doesn’t stop anyone starting another.

It’s true that there are other places on the internet where you can engage in mindless banter. But no where that you can engage in some mindless banter with other Barbeloids. Least not easily. And these threads are only sustained if other people engage with them. I take their existence as evidence that there is a demand for them, and the fact that some become sustained evidence that there is a relatively popular demand for them.
Personally, I can’t think of many I’ve ever got involved with, and some of them make my eyes bleed, but I don’t see why what *I* want is more important than what Math wants. And I don’t see why we can’t service both.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
14:55 / 30.03.06
And these threads are only sustained if other people engage with them. I take their existence as evidence that there is a demand for them, and the fact that some become sustained evidence that there is a relatively popular demand for them.
Personally, I can’t think of many I’ve ever got involved with, and some of them make my eyes bleed, but I don’t see why what *I* want is more important than what Math wants. And I don’t see why we can’t service both.


True: I think most of the threads on the front page are relatively inane, and seem like clutter to me, but I can't deny some people -- more people, probably -- do want it that way.

I suppose as it stands "inane" is fine and shouldn't be policed on that forum, unless it infringes on territory that is policed, eg. making certain groups of people feel uncomfortable, insulted or threatened.

That's not how I'd run it but, you know, if I was running a forum it'd be a lonely sort of place.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:43 / 30.03.06
I just want to say that nowhere is it insisted that each Headshop post must come with full bibliography and reference to five German philosophers, four of which are made up. Neither is it the case that if you post there without these then that's an automatic banning offense. If all the people that have said they are disinclined to post in the HeadShop did so, at whatever level they feel comfortable, then the scary people there will have to back down.
 
 
grant
16:53 / 30.03.06
As a postscript to what I've said on the "gardening" thread, I've never encountered a message board that had any kind of life in it that didn't have an off-topic area to sop up goop from the rest of the board.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:13 / 30.03.06
a serious shortage of places that do what Barbelith does when it is at its best.

I'm actually very interested in what you mean by this because it's often said and rarely backed up. What does barbelith do when it's at its best?

I regard barbelith as a place inbetween- it discusses matters that are regarded as intellectual but because it's not specific it's often ignorant of professional and subject orientated shorthands. It's littered with assumptions about the way that people use language and at times is intensely geared for and towards the middle classes and the subjects that engage people from those groups. It's politically engaged in what I regard as a centre left stance (though many would call it left and others would label it as liberal). There are many biases that it fails to let go of. It's populated by people who have in some way rejected the mainstream but remain embedded within it. Barbelith is a place without radicals, without extremists and without a will to engage in extreme action within its environment and I would argue that barbelith as a community does that best- stands on the central ground and that informs the conversation as a forum for engagement.
 
 
Ganesh
17:32 / 30.03.06
As a Mod who got flamed for trying to get rid of a thread I didn't like, I wait to be guided by Barbeconsensus on how it goes.

First and foremost, I'm flagging this up in the hope that you're able to appreciate something that I find deeply problematic. Hint: it's contained in the "trying to get rid of a thread I didn't like" bit.
 
 
Ganesh
17:44 / 30.03.06
I'd also ask what constitutes being "flamed" here, as opposed to being disagreed with, or asked to explain your decision.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:15 / 30.03.06
Nina: I think you're pretty much spot-on in your analysis of Barbelith as a place of niche subject matter pitched for a general audience.

But I—and correct me if I'm wrong, but from the tone of your description I'm assuming you don't share my enthusiasm—I still think that's a good thing.

Barbelith's role may not be as an end destination, but as a way station. If serious, active political radicalism or full-on theoretical analysis is what you're looking for, it's probably not the place.

But Barbelith is—can be—a gateway drug to a fuller subcultural engagement. And everybody's got to start somewhere, right?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:40 / 30.03.06
I suppose I like to think of Barbelith as being as much a soap opera as it is a discussion board, insofar as you've got your established big beasts, your less-established regulars, various others who may or may not turn out to be significant in the (essentially meaningless) storyline, and then your unknown quantities. To over-extend the metaphor, if Barbelith can be considered analagous to Albert Square (for non-UKers Eastenders, referenced here, is Britain's most culturally sig soap, in much the same way that say Dallas used to be in the States, IMHO) then you kind of know how say Grant Mitchell, Mo or Dirty Den are going to react if some slag* starts shooting their mouth off on the manor.

Accordingly, I think the Conversation works best when the threads involved are annecdotal and personal, and, this being the internet, where absolutely nobody knows your name, essentially light-hearted (faves include the Steve threads, Wifegate etc.) The main thing seems to be to engage, or at least try to in some sense, with the other people who are as drunk/bored at work/trying to start the revolution as you - Virtually everyone on here can talk bollocks till dawn, but, ideally, the Conversation should be about applied and meaningful bollocks, and not the other kind.


* 'Slag'
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:43 / 30.03.06
'Slag' here being used in the Kray Twins sense, ie not gender-specific.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:22 / 30.03.06
the Conversation should be about applied and meaningful bollocks, and not the other kind

That so needs to go in the forum description.
 
 
Tom Coates
21:50 / 30.03.06
Right then. Fun discussion. I've already written a little about this elsewhere on the board, but basically here's my position. Any community of people writing on any given subject after any period of time start becoming friends and wanting to talk around the subject, about how they get on, about their friends and their social relationships and how crap their jobs are and their relationships, and they get more conversational and express themselves more and more.

Now this is a perfectly good and important use for a board, but it's a very distinct use from talking about philosophy or comic books, and if you want to keep the quality of the latter fora up (and stop the discussion becoming entirely about social matters) then you have to keep them apart. My sense is that if you don't keep them apart, then the social discussion overwhelms the other discussions, the board becomes completely about a group of friends chatting and the environment slowly dies. Now the alternative is that you try and restrict the ability of individuals to talk to each other openly and freely and the same thing starts to happen as people circumvent the restrictions on other sites or on mailing lists or whatever. Neither of those options seems particularly good to me.

Which is to say that the Conversation is a forum for a different kind of discussion, not a worse kind of discussion - although it's easy to sometimes get those confused particularly as social chat, links and the like are easier to write. The sense of it being for the worse stuff probably comes about because sometimes people post things to fora like the Head Shop which are too conversational and are told to take it to the Conversation. But fundamentally, it's not about quality, it's about a type of conversation.

The point is that Barbelith for the most part may argue about quality and what's a good post or a bad post, but quality is not normally an issue for moderators to enforce with lockings or deletions. Quality is something that the board strives for and encourages and people should feel free to push other people towards. But a bad quality of post doesn't and shouldn't result in deletion. Deletion is for problems of harrassment, sustained trolling, libel, spam and the like - actual abuses. The rest is nudging, convincing, encouraging, tweaking, and while it woudl be nice for moderators to try to keep discussion going and at a high level, it's not something I'd like them to have the power to enforce.
 
 
matthew.
02:34 / 31.03.06
Which is to say that the Conversation is a forum for a different kind of discussion, not a worse kind of discussion - although it's easy to sometimes get those confused particularly as social chat, links and the like are easier to write.

STRONG TRUTH. Joking aside, I think Tom here has a point. Instead of obliterating everything the mods deem to be "shite," we should be nudging, poking, prodding and teaching the other posters how to post.

A recent academic study of teaching methods saw that lectures and textbooks are inefficient at teaching children; they are archaic. The best way to teach people is through trial and error: when the student does the activity with the instructor standing beside them and commenting on their progress. A big snarkstick is not required in this model.

This all goes back to what I was mumbling about in "Is Barbelith Dying?": we must teach, not discipline, and I put deletion and obliteration under the remit of discipline.

This might be considered hypcrite behaviour, considering I was all for instantaneous banning of zoemancer (y'know, the Holocaust denier's friend). But... I find myself moving towards Ganesh's position: that we should allow the accused a fair trial, or at least the chance to either fix their mistake, or apologize for it, or justify it....
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:45 / 31.03.06
Hmmm. Some good points there. Just to add something in that I forgot from my initial post: Do people have the time to look through the board when they are on here, or is it a 'ten minutes here and there' kind of deal?
 
 
Evil Scientist
06:36 / 31.03.06
It’s been suggested that fluff threads are a waste of threadspace which could be devoted to something a lot more engaging

I feel I ought to point out that I was speaking about the Stump-F**king and Mother-F**king threads specifically there. Not fluff threads in general, which I generally enjoy and fall over myself to get involved in.

Conversation is fine as it is, but I was reacting to Math's suggestion that zero content threads should have some sort of immunity from criticism because they're (a)in Conversation, and (b)zero content.

There isn’t a limited amount of ‘threadspace’ (unless you mean the real estate of the front page – which isn’t that limited), and the existence of one thread doesn’t stop anyone starting another.

Yeah, I suppose that's what I was talking about when it boils down to it, and you're right that it isn't that big a deal. It bugs me is all.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
08:22 / 31.03.06
So the consensus seems to be (I could have posted this on "Weeding the Garden"; they seem to be overlapping) that unless a Conversation thread crosses the boardwide boundaries that prompt moderation (mainly: offense to a specific cultural group), its fluff, rot, pointlessness, weediness should be addressed in-thread.

That doesn't quite answer my question on "Weeding the Garden" about threads that seem to worry the boundary-line -- by assuming and inviting a certain kind of tone and shared culture -- without crossing it.

But it's a good bottom line for judging how to respond to threads.
 
 
*
08:29 / 31.03.06
My perspective:
When in doubt, challenge in thread. If the thread author/s is/are not concerned about offending people, the thread will shortly veer into moderatable territory in response to the challenge, if nothing else.

Apparently I'm cynical tonight.
 
 
Loomis
10:14 / 31.03.06
The problem is that convo doesn't have one aim, in the way that the other fora (kind of) have. It can be used for discussions of a reasonable quality that aren't appropriate (for whatever reason) for the other fora, but it can also eb used for fluff and even for complete shit. You can never make a single standard for the forum as it contains different things that won't overlap.

If you really want to make a formal distinction then you should divide it into two, one for reasonably serious discussion that doesn't belong in another forum, and one for fucking about. No doubt there'd be arguments over which one some threads belong to, but that would just add more life to the policy forum, which is usually the most entertaining place to be.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
10:36 / 31.03.06
If you really want to make a formal distinction then you should divide it into two, one for reasonably serious discussion that doesn't belong in another forum, and one for fucking about.

Right now that actually sounds like a good idea to me... you'd have like a general back garden for communal discussion (as opposed to specific areas like Apple Orchard, Medicinal Garden, Vegetable Plot) and then a meadow for more aimless activity.

I don't know how technically possible it is, or even if anyone else would agree with it, but I do feel that, at the moment, Conversation is used for two key purposes: reasonably serious but anecdotal/personal discussion, and overflow, chaff, spraff, off-the-top-of-head word association and off-your-chest ranting.
 
 
Tom Coates
10:55 / 31.03.06
I think the other use for the Conversation (that might touch on what you're saying there) is as a potential proving ground for new fora - that is to say, if there's an untrammelled enthusiasm for a type of discussion in the Conversation then it can manifest eventually as a new part of the board. This doesn't happen a lot (because - to be honest - new fora often don't do very well, so the fewer the better and only when we're sure) but it has happened with the Games & Gameplay forum, and I think with the Art, Design and Fashion forum.
 
 
Jub
11:13 / 31.03.06
(and the secret weapons forum!)
 
 
Olulabelle
11:47 / 31.03.06
I really agree with Tom's point about people on a message board wanting to engage with one another on a more personal basis, and I love the conversation because it does exactly that. If we were to ditch the fluff we'd lose so many opportunities for really entertaining threads that have no intellectual value; the Beard thread would not exist and I defy anyone to disagree that that would be a travesty.

Stupid threads in conversation will always happen. I think the Joycore ones are utterly, utterly pointless and a huge waste of space, so guess what? I just don't read them.

Trying to make conversation more 'valuable' would be like those stupid dinner parties where the host gives you little topic cards and people end up whispering behind their hands about the 'fluff' stuff like love and life and money and work.

Dividing up the conversation would be even more silly. We'd have sub, sub sections of the forum and all sorts.

Why should everything be serious and sensible and of value? I know there are other places to be silly on the internet, but those places don't have Lithers in them. I like to have all the conversations we do in all the other forums but I also like to be silly and chatty, and I like to do it with you lot.
 
 
Sax
12:11 / 31.03.06
Everyone needs a place to just chill and shoot the breeze. I don't see any reason at all why serious topics and silly bollocks can't sit side by side in the Conversation. The only danger is that it requires strength of character on the part of posters to not think that just because they posted something stupid to a stupid thread they can also post something stupid to a more serious thread.
 
 
Char Aina
15:13 / 31.03.06
That doesn't quite answer my question on "Weeding the Garden" about threads that seem to worry the boundary-line -- by assuming and inviting a certain kind of tone and shared culture -- without crossing it.

they seem to worry the line, but are you also saying 'seem' in relation to the invitation and assumption?
...because i dont think you can chat about the tone and shared culture easily without getting into some pretty dodgy territory.
i dont think you are, but it feels a bit like we might be veering towards 'dicks do that, therefore those who do that are dicks'.

which i would have a bit of a problem with.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:13 / 31.03.06
Um... I'm not sure what you're asking, toksik, sorry. What I was trying to say is that the "uncle-fucker" thread (which basically said, this guy fucked my mum when she was younger, now he uses it to diss me, help me come back with the ultimate diss to shut him up!) was... assuming, or creating, or inviting within the thread, what felt to me like a teen-guy culture where being dissed is the ultimate shame, and "your momma" is the ultimate diss, and self-worth is measured by whether you can top another guy's diss, and your mother's sexuality is grounds for someone else to insult you... I don't know, a whole lot of values that firstly I don't really connect with, but secondly that didn't seem really appropriate to Barbelith as I understand it.

Now, this is an argument of limited worth from me, because I can only think of one thread as example (one thread that I didn't find all that problematic, and that perhaps shouldn't have become the focus of so much discussion) -- and one thread doesn't constitute a general trend or perhaps warrant any kind of worry from anyone.

However, if there were half a dozen threads of that kind on the front page, I'd start thinking that a number of people had got the wrong idea about the kind of place Barbelith is, and were changing the overall tone of the Conversation, and by setting up that kind of atmosphere and having that kind of discussion accepted, they were in turn enabling and indirectly encouraging even more threads of that type.

Look, I'm sorry: I've had three gin and tonics. I hope you understand what I'm getting at.
 
 
Olulabelle
18:49 / 31.03.06
I think that's a very big if.

Currently this is not happening; if anything the standard in Conversation has risen recently. On the first page at the moment there are, amongst others, a thread in Spanish, the feminism thread, the Agent Smiths thread, one on rudeness, one on religious fundamentalism, and one on advice about drugs.

There is also the barbequotes thread, a few about ficsuits, the miserable thread and lots of other silly but very endearing threads which lots of people really like.

Why don't we wait and see what happens to the forum as the site grows and deal with any threads people have issues with on a case-by-case basis? That seems to me to be a much more sensible idea than worrying about something that is, at the moment, clearly not a problem.
 
  

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