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miss wonderstarr
21:41 / 06.04.06
As someone very smart once told me, "Don't talk about race unless you're going to talk about race."

I agree with a lot of what you said to girakittie, (id), and girakittie's reply niggles me a little in further ways ("flaming" gay?) but I'm not sure about this final advice.

Is it any different from saying "don't talk about gender unless you're going to talk about gender?" ie. if you're reporting a conversation, don't use 'he' and 'she' unless the whole point is about male and female societal roles?
 
 
Loomis
09:09 / 07.04.06
In The Gap last week, girlfriend to boyfriend, as she wistfully fingered a yellow top: "Why won't you wear colours, you know I like you in colours."

He: "I wear that grey shirt."


I have had that exact conversation. Grey is a colour!
 
 
*
16:42 / 07.04.06
I think the very thing I wanted to get it is that it does imply something different about the interaction if you pick out a detail about a person (i.e. skin color, flamboyant gestures) and then name that person as belonging to a particular group on the basis of that (African American, gay) than if you were just doing rich description. I usually can't tell at a glance if someone is African American, Afro-Cuban, or Black Bahamanian (as I was recently reminded, to my embarassment). I can tell if they have dark skin, and it's worth bringing up when it's important. For me, though, I need to be reflexive about how I'm thinking about people when I realize that I'm taking note of their skin color. I can't speak for people of color but all white people have attitudes regarding race which in most cases go unexamined. One clue to these attitudes is when people mention race and what they don't say about it directly.

As far as my comment being politically correct, there is a pretty well-established viewpoint on these boards about that term, which can be found here. I advise you to read it as soon as you can, and as thoroughly as you can, because it will come up every time you assert that someone is being "politically correct" on the boards. Regardless, whether you think of something as politically correct has no bearing on whether it is valid or important.

As far as gender— I think some people would agree that it's also an assumption about someone's gender if you don't know them and you assign them a gendered pronoun. In theory I agree, but in practice I feel that enough people express their preferred gender identity and role in the way they dress that I can get away with referring to people by gendered pronouns in most cases. I made the decision to only take on race there.

In any case, this is a topic for another thread. *ambles over to the Barbelith pager*
 
 
Shrug
02:38 / 08.04.06
Him (incredulously pants around ankles)-How poshhh r UUUU?

Her (words spoken in a clipped fashion apparent of disgust)-Because I told you to pull your pants up from 'round your ankles?

******************

Ah the sights I see. All these things lost like...
 
 
Cat Chant
10:54 / 08.04.06
(id), I think all the points you raised are interesting and germane, and I like "don't talk about race unless you're going to talk about race" (and also the possible comparison to gender), and I hope this does spin off into a thread. But I also wanted to say that I think the description of the girl as black and the guy as white - as well as the 'impeccably dressed'/'scruffy' difference - introduced an interesting dimension to the scene, by marking the unknowability of the relationship between them (of course I know it's not impossible that a white guy might have a black daughter, but if they'd been described as being of the same race, or if no racial descriptors had been given, I think I would have assumed they were father and daughter, whereas now I'm intrigued and wondering what brought them together in the first place).

Should racial descriptors be doing that work? Maybe not, I guess. But I did think it added something to the scene that wasn't just reducing the participants to representatives of their races. I don't know if that makes any sense.
 
 
Mirror
17:01 / 08.04.06
The best panhandler sign I've ever seen:

LEAR JET NEEDS FUEL
 
 
*
20:50 / 08.04.06
Hey, thanks for that input, Deva. It's much appreciated.
 
 
foolish fat finger
21:35 / 08.04.06
overheard on a bus- 2 middle-aged straight lookin ladies-
"you need special eyes to see them'
I have always wondered 'what?'... auras? aliens? fairies?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:41 / 08.04.06
Overheard in the office just now...

You're confusing sudoku with bukkake, aren't you?
 
 
matthew.
23:19 / 08.04.06
Literal LOL there, Stoatie.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
14:34 / 09.04.06
What's the 'net shorthand for "chuckling like a fool" - CLAF?

Anyway - most amusing.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:44 / 09.04.06
Funniest thing being, it appears he actually WASN'T.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
21:08 / 09.04.06
slipknot is the fuckin shit... icp is cool to but,slipknot is no knock off if anyone is it would be fred durst he's a fuckin fag!!!!
slipknot is one of the best bands ever..........fuck u all


-- anthony collinsworth (maggot666metaboli...), February 2nd, 2006.

Oh no, I have been fucked. By you. Maggot666metabolismsomething.

Ow. My vagina.

Surely you have won this epic battle of words.


-- telephone thing (ryanhuppa...), February 2nd, 2006.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
21:11 / 09.04.06
I'm now not sure if that's funny or not on noticing that the one claiming to have a vagina is male. Over to you lot, I suppose...
 
 
*
21:41 / 09.04.06
Where did you learn that "telephone thing" is male? Just curious. I googled for the source and still couldn't figure it out.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
22:38 / 09.04.06
I think the email adress is Ryan something? I don't go on ilxor, a mate showed it me.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
01:05 / 10.04.06
Earlier this year, in one of my classes:

GIRL 1: You ever hear of Joseph Campbell?
GIRL 2: No.
GIRL 1: He's kinda this myth nerd...
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
23:26 / 10.04.06
"...If I turn into a giant bunny rabbit made of Jell-O..."

A snippet of conversation heard from a guy talking to the girls across the hall. Not a clue what it was said in relation to.
 
 
*
00:19 / 11.04.06
I know at least two women named Ryan.
 
 
Jub
14:41 / 28.06.06
a boy outside the Tate Modern this lunchtime to his mates.

"I can juggle with one ball"
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:38 / 28.06.06
Distinctly overheard, by me and a friend, walking through soho

Two women, walking somewhat off to the side of us:

One woman addresses the other:

"Thing is, you really do have to make sure to keep the midgets on a leash"
 
 
petunia
11:20 / 29.06.06
Pissed-up barfly in 'light-hearted homophobia' mode, talking to my gay manager:

"I bet you don't play Xbox"

"Yeah, I do, I've got an Xbox"

"Yeahh, but I bet it's not.. proper Xbox, I bet you don't play Fifa Xbox!"

"I play on Pro-Evo all the time"

"Bet you don't like real football though.. Bet you don't, can't.. you know.. you know the offside rule?"

"Actually, I play for the national gay football team"

"oh. um.. well done.." (shakes manager's hand)
 
 
MintyFresh
12:56 / 29.06.06
I wore a V for Vendetta shirt today(v.v. casual job)and a guy one desk down from me has been trying to remember the little nursery rhyme all day. He keeps muttering "December, December, the fifth of November, the Mayflower treason and plot..." under his breath.
 
 
RetroChrome
15:05 / 01.07.06
Overheard in the women's bathroom at a LeTigre concert was this comment made from one girl to another:

"So, I said to him, heterophobia is way more dangerous than homophobia."
 
 
Shrug
23:47 / 09.08.06
A-"The worst thing you can accuse Morrissey of is being Morrissey".

B-"The worst thing you can accuse anyone one of would be being Morrissey."

C-"Like Morrissey being Morrissey on autopilot?".

D-"Do you think I'm like Morrissey?".

Not strictly just overheard as I was sitting right there when the conversation happened but still, imho, so wonderfully funny.
 
 
Haus Of Pain
16:50 / 10.08.06
My boss: "I don't really like novels, they're all pretty much a much of a muchness...can't be bothered to sit around reading on a friday night, I have got a life you know"


Deep breath, shotgun, big blood drenched smile.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:58 / 13.08.06
A man and two women at a bus stop; in their forties, I would guess of West Indian origin, all laughing hard in the clutching-your-stomach and gasping way.

Man, finally: "well, that's English people for you."
 
 
Chiropteran
11:54 / 22.12.06
Drifting across the company Christmas party:

"You don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than the person you're with..."
 
 
Chiropteran
11:59 / 08.02.07
In the office, again:

"...no no, you're being far too technical for me."

"Okay. You should go talk to Dan - he, um... has a magic wand that will get your toolbar back for you."
 
 
jamesPD
08:01 / 09.02.07
Over in Chancery Lane tube station whilst passing a busker..

"I hate him, he murdered that James Blunt song"
 
 
Whisky Priestess
11:56 / 07.01.09
At work, manager across from me:

"It's really hard to get rid of dead tenants."
 
 
Shrug
15:56 / 07.01.09
This happened to a mate of mine walking down the street with his friend, like.

Random Man(under his breath but quite audible):
Dirty Faggot.

Random Old Dear (stopping and turning with genuine concern and a shake of her head for the state of the world before carrying on):
I don't think you're dirty.

(Guess you had to be there).
 
 
Proinsias
18:02 / 07.01.09
On the bus:

You don't like pot noodle?

Nah, they're too watery.

You're the one that puts the water in you fucking idiot.

silence....
 
 
trouble at bill
13:28 / 12.01.09
Teen girl on subway to her friend: I just don't understand how we can breathe. I mean, in a tube. Underground.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
14:47 / 12.01.09
If she's that dense, I'm not sure I understand how she can breathe either ...
 
  

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