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Less searchable M0rd4nt

09:47 / 08.03.02

quote:Originally posted by Lurid Archive:
This thread has been an excellent read. Does it merit <snip> an ethical magic spin off thread?

Oh. Great. Another one. Yeah, let's have another magickal ethics thread! Or we could just dig a big hole in the back garden and all climb in and thump each other till we bleed!

09:47 / 08.03.02

To boil all the posts down that fly against an instant 'pulling magick' success,

'WHERE'S YOUR HEAD AT?'

Obviously in the groin area, but do not be defeated, there is something you can do. To reduce the sexual objectification of the desired sex, one can try a masturbatory technique. If and when you 'spank' over the next two weeks, stop before you ejaculate.
Use this technique to take charge of your sexuality and show a subconscious aspect of your dillema who is in charge.

You may find it very liberating.

Magick is more about change in oneself and releasing one from fetters that hold back human potential.

09:47 / 08.03.02

quote: Maybe you should do a spell, Tri?

Maybe. If I were going to do a spell, I'd do something that attracted somebody to me that would put up with all my little quirks, accept me for who I am, and actually be able to hold an intelligent conversation. Looks are great and all, and I'm just a wee bit shallow so I'd probably stick something in there stating she's gotta be relatively attractive to offset my ugly troll-like visage.

A problem with that would be that it'd have to be a full blown ritual. For some stupid reason, I've gotten it into my head that magick should be somewhat dramatic and jacking off while looking at a sigil....well its not very dramtic is it?

The problem with JJ here is that he's obsessed with one girl. Before he started his stint of jacking off, did he think about what would happen if his sigil did work? I mean if it worked, he got the girl, and they started going out, who's to say that they wouldn't be miserable together? Of course, if that happened I'm sure he'd be back asking for spells, sigils, rituals, or the like to break the magickally super-charged relationship off.

Oh well, live and learn right?

Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?

10:49 / 08.03.02

Maybe we just need to change the focus. She is clearly resistance to "make her love me" spells. So what about memory spells?

Spike her drink, molest her, then perform a spell that makes her think she enjoyed it.

Simple.

She'll come sniffing back. They all do. Dirty, dirty, dirty.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

10:51 / 08.03.02

quote:Originally posted by Mordant C@rnival:

Oh. Great. Another one. Yeah, let's have another magickal ethics thread! Or we could just dig a big hole in the back garden and all climb in and thump each other till we bleed!Why should magick be any different in this respect from any other area of human life?

the rake at the gates

16:53 / 08.03.02

ok thanks for all the advice, i realise that this obsesion has fucked me up alot, but thats the problem with obsesions, there not that easy to let slide. i feel i should clear a few things up, firstly some of you have got the wrong impression about my realtionship with this girl, the whole idea wasn't to make her my sex slave and to entice her into bed using mind control, the only reason sexual attraction came up in this is because i get on great with this girl, but she just doesnt seem to fancy me. I thought that if i gave her a little nudge, it would make all the difference. To say that i was only after her body would be way off the mark, if the day after i did a spell she was throwing herself at me then i would probably run home and reverse it. I think some of you were waiting to jump up to your moral highground and tell me what a bad person i was for trying to make someone i like, like me. If it had worked, and we ended up in relationship like i wanted, then i would have reversed it, cause otherwise i would always be thinking does she just like me cause of my magic, i repeat, i only wanted to nudge her in the direction, the only reason i did so much magic on this was because it did work, so i keep trying. The idea that i was trying to use magic to make her my next sexual conquest through mind control is just wrong.
Basically it boils down to this, i met a girl i really liked, we got on great but she didn't seem to fancy me, i found out about magic, this was my number one desire, that i should 'get the girl', so i did a spell to make a girl i had a crush on like me as more than a friend, it didn't work so i kept trying, because it should have worked. i know that i was trying to mess with her head, but i really liked her, and who hasn't done stupid stuff in this position. im now going to give up cause i cant get it to work, and maybe its not that a nice thing
to do to someone

16:59 / 08.03.02

quote:Originally posted by Tannhauser:
Spike her drink, molest her, then perform a spell that makes her think she enjoyed it.

Hmm...

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21:50 / 10.03.02

Dunno if I should be bringing this thread back up but I just found it - so anyway getting away from the sex thing, I see people complaining about effecting the girls free will being wrong, but what about jobs - I know people that have used magick to help them in interviews, is this also wrong - what about Tom and his BBC job, was it wrong for us to try and give him help getting the job?

Sorry if this has already been covered

Just curious thats all

10:55 / 11.03.02

I think it's a very different issue. We can be pretty sure that the establishment of a working relationship between Tom and the Beeb would have been mutually beneficial: in any case, working relationships aren't nearly so dependent on chemistry and interpersonal sparkage as sexual relationships, although it always helps. That said, re-reading this thread suggests that we might have been far more successful if we'd removed some of the specifics from the intent and simply performed workings to manifest a job with all the qualities the Beeb one had.

JJ, just want to say that I know this thread has been very harsh for you. Most of us know what the obsession thing is like, whether from the obsessor or obsessee's POV. You're a brave man for sharing. I'd like to suggest to Gek that you get picked up and shagged senseless by a woman who knows exactly what she's doing. But only if you want to play.

How about it, Gekster?

Less searchable M0rd4nt

19:03 / 11.03.02

quote:Originally posted by Nick:
Why should magick be any different in this respect from any other area of human life?

Umm. It shouldn't. It's just that threads on the subject tend to turn into bunfights, is all.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

05:41 / 12.03.02

[grumpy]

Seems like a reason to modify behaviour, not stop the discussion...

[/grumpy]

Those are often the things worth discussing, I fear.

13:21 / 12.03.02

Seems like a reason to modify behaviour, not stop the discussion...Those are often the things worth discussing, I fear. – Nick

Indeed Nick, they are worth discussing. However, at some point the forces of "Love Light Whiteness and High Magick" mistake a discussion on ethics for a dualistic battleground.

Because of their dualistic frame of mind, anyone who does not agree with the forces of "Love Light Whiteness and High Magick"– in any way and for any reason – are percieved as Evil. and Bad. and Nasty. Which is fucking boring for anyone who is trying to actually have a discussion on ethics and (whoa!) common sense in Magick.

(I speak from personal experience, Nick: I've been on the receiving end of many an e-mail, PM and public post from certain Barbelithers who like to show me their "dark side" in the name of "Love Light Whiteness and High Magick".)

Hence Mordant's reaction.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

13:30 / 12.03.02

It's not an unfamiliar problem, either in other fora here, or from my long ago stint on alt.magick.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

13:58 / 12.03.02

quote:Originally posted by Nick:
Seems like a reason to modify behaviour, not stop the discussion...

True, but until I get the virgin's hair for that binding spell it's likely to be a non-starter. Tho having said that, the discussion on the subject over in the Headshop has managed to avoid comestible-flinging. Maybe it's something about this forum.

[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Mordant C@rnival ]

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