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D Terminator XXXIII
17:18 / 26.02.06
Help.

I wanna get introed to Hammer horror movies that have, I think, influenced such a visually beautiful movie like Sleepy Holler (*snort*) and a series as brilliant as the League of Gentlemen. Besides that, I know next to nothing.

Influence me.
 
 
GogMickGog
17:59 / 26.02.06
Aw crumbs,

Hammer!

A soft and gooey spot lies somewhere in my heart for this, the campest of film companies. Many a late night was spent in anticipation of late re-runs (always a bloody school night- some challenge when boarding).

May I recommend "Twins of Evil", "Dracula 1972" (for all those horrible fashions), and the surprisingly nasty "to the devil a daughter".

For more 70s film campery, ol' Vincent Price's "Dr. Phibes" movies can't be beat, nor can the astounding "Theatre of blood".

Any help?
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:40 / 26.02.06
Hammer films are great, never brilliant made, acted or writen, but have a fantastic - everyone is game - charm about them.

I'd highly recommend the Quatermass films, as these are a cut above, particular Quatermass and the Pitt. Beautiful horror sci-fi stories.

The Hound of the Baskervilles isn't too great, Peter Cushing just didn't do it for me as Holmes...

But Plague of Zombies is quite a good little gem, all the boxes are ticked, dry ice fog, boggy traps and creepy noises echoing around a blatent studio.
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:44 / 26.02.06
Oh and sorry, forgot The Devil Rides Out is really, genuinely creepy
 
 
sleazenation
20:10 / 26.02.06
Mutiny on the Buses... guarenteed to turn your bowels to water...
 
 
Chiropteran
12:05 / 27.02.06
Satanic Rites of Dracula isn't necessarily much of a movie, but it has the best - hands down - 70's wakkachakka horror movie opening theme. Harpsichord, wah wah guitar, and big big horns.

The original Horror of Dracula is worth seeing for Christopher Lee's crisp, understated menace in the title role. Scary, though? Not a bit.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:53 / 27.02.06
The best Hammer films are the shit ones you've never heard of that look as if they were slung together using whoever they had left on contract with a script they made up as they went along. My favourite Hammer film is "Horror Express", in which Christopher Lee boards a steam train with an ancient frozen caveman that exerts an evil influence, closer examination of its blood under a microscope reveals video footage of dinosaurs, the caveman wakes up and causes some bother but is dispatched, but some of its blood gets into someone else and causes them to develop red eyes and a monkey hand. Telly Savalas turns up dressed as a kossak, for no apparent reason, he bullies everyone else on the train and then fucks off again having served no purpose in the plot. Eventually things return to normal. Class.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:59 / 27.02.06
Wicker Man. Wicker Man. Wicker Man.

Subtle and horrific.
 
 
GogMickGog
20:57 / 27.02.06
Bu the Wicker Man aint Hammer, is it?

I always think of it fondly as more of a comedy (all those lusty scots looming into the camera in the pun, etc). It's only really horrible in hte last few minutes. Sure the tension builds, but damn if isn't intentionally a chuckle too.
 
 
sleazenation
21:30 / 27.02.06
I believe Wicker Man was a British Lion Film.. part of the lasp gasp of the British film industry...

Hammer film Productions did a lot more than just horror movies... they did science fiction, thrillers and comedies... some of which, like the aforementioned Mutiny on the Buses were not all that good...
 
 
Panic
01:13 / 28.02.06
THE PLAGUE OF ZOMBIES and THE REPTILE are a great double-bill. Also the Oliver Reed barechested werewolf film was fun.

I still get giddy watching THE BRIDES OF DRACULA. Cushing's Van Helsing is extra-hardcore in this installment - applying a white-hot iron to his neck to burn out the infected bite, and leaping onto a windmill blade, catching Dracula in the shadow of a cross in the middle of a field. Awesomeness.

I recently saw NIGHT CREATURES, the Hammer version of the Dr Syn, Scarecrow of Romney Marsh story. I vaguely remember the Patrick McGoohan Disney version being more rollicking and adventurous. This version was a little dry and depressing.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
19:43 / 28.02.06
I was kind of hoping to place an order on Amazon Uk today but given that there are some, shall we say, unexplored statements coupled with my inability to question said statements until now, I'll hold off for a few days more.

1) I ain't no big fan of watching movies for sheer camp/kitsch value, so there's that. So you know. And so-

Gypsy Lantern, does the Horror Express escape that or does one find oneself revelling in it? Weirdness more, maybe, than camp?

Mick-Travis, how is To the Devil a Daughter surprisingly nasty?

BtB, how is The Devil Rides Out genuinely creepy? Analogies?

2) I once read a DVD review of a few Hammer movies, however, the titles escape me altho I could almost swear one of the Dracula titles was featured. The reason why I found said review interesting enough to be able to recall it vaguely is that the review touched upon the aesthetics of the movies; it probably meant that they were beautiful in colour, design, something. Which ones are visually striking? Do Sleepy Hollow and certain episodes of the League of Gentlemen draw upon specific Hammer movies? In storytelling approach, or the visual design?
 
 
grant
19:46 / 28.02.06
I think Hammer was behind that trashy, semi-porn version of Sheridan Le Fanu's "Carmilla" -- was it called Dracula's Daughter?

Lesbian seduction. Bright red fake blood.
 
 
sleazenation
20:34 / 28.02.06
Båmbling - if you don't have a camp sensibility you are definitely going to be missing something. Not just out of Hammer Horror films but out of life. This might sound like a personal slight, but it isn't meant to be... its just that I think camp is actually quite important...
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
11:21 / 01.03.06
I really don't happen to share that, sleaze as I'd much rather immerse myself in something sincerely; camp being what I think of as the opposite. So, if the point of Hammer horror movies today consists solely on their campness, maybe I'd not be as willing to part money for them; however, the movies that I've enquired about sound to me to be able to illicit other reactions than a smug appreciation of how bad they are. Smug being another association with camp that I have.

I don't want to watch movies for that. Solely, I mean.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
11:23 / 01.03.06
And is it me or is 'camp' the ugly second cousin of the altogether not too beautiful 'irony'?
 
 
GogMickGog
12:16 / 01.03.06
Well, "To the devil..." is the last horror film Hammer made, in 76' and it's a very conscious effort to try something a little...muckier..than the smoke and sound sets of yore. The influence of Argento et al is evident.

There's an abundance of gore, mucky births, the most inventive dispatching of characters since "Dr. Phibes", and Christopher Lee as the loopiest satanist this side of Boyd Rice.

I for one love it, and it is probably the least camp of the Hammers but then that aint saying much, eh?

I don't think they're necessarily camp, but they are inherently theatrical and have the same sense as Dr. Who of a bunch of actors making do with crappy costumes, cheap sets etc in a manner which is deeply endearing.
 
 
sleazenation
13:27 / 01.03.06
I don't think camp has anything to do with smugness, and not necessarily much to do with insincerity... it's more about subversion... but I'm not as much a queer theory bitch as others here... Perhaps a new thread on camp is in order...

But yes, without a camp sensibility I think you'll miss some of Hammer Horror's charms...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:57 / 01.03.06
I think 'trashy' is a better yard stick. If you can enjoy the crude sensibilities of Eighties horror movies, you should dig Hammer.
 
 
sleazenation
14:10 / 01.03.06
but which eighties horror films are you talking about? Evil Dead 2? Hellraiser? Nightmare on Elmstreet?
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
15:48 / 01.03.06
I don't think camp has anything to do with smugness, and not necessarily much to do with insincerity...

Then it would be a good idea to start a new thread pertaining to what makes camp camp. My only reference point being bad art from the 80s, exemplified by Koons. Trashy I understand better. And Mick-Travis has sold me on Devil..daughter.
 
 
Spaniel
16:24 / 01.03.06
Start a thread you say?

Catch up, man.
 
 
Panic
19:01 / 01.03.06
The Hammer films lack the arch, tongue-in-cheek undercurrent that I associate with the term 'camp'. They're not "cheesy" or "corny". Like the Corman/AIP Poe adaptations, they're serious horror films making up for relatively low budgets through atmosphere and pure visual spectacle.

My adoration and enjoyment of them is utterly post-ironic. Er, i mean sincere. Besides, I've always felt that terms like 'camp' or 'cheesy' are indicative of the viewer's mindset, not the actual content of the film.

If you want camp, then by all means go with the Phibes films, THEATRE OF BLOOD, FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS, etc.

Just don't see CARRY ON SCREAMING.

Ever.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:36 / 01.03.06
I think Hammer was behind that trashy, semi-porn version of Sheridan Le Fanu's "Carmilla" -- was it called Dracula's Daughter?

Wasn't it The Vampire Lovers that was Carmilla?

I love them. Even at their worst, they've got that infectious enthusiasm that I can't help but be caught up in.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:15 / 02.03.06
My favourite Hammer film is "Horror Express"

Seconded. Horror Express ruled.

Most memorable line is when Cushing and Lee are accused of being spies and Cushing retorts "Spies? Good Lord, we're British!" with utter outrage.

Quality.
 
 
Spaniel
08:26 / 02.03.06
I strongly suggest that all those saying Hammer isn't camp go and look at the camp thread. You might just change your minds.

Anyway, the best Hammer movie is clearly Theatre of Blood. I'll post more about it later.
 
 
GogMickGog
10:54 / 02.03.06
But, uh, Theatre of Blood isn't Hammer either, is it?

God i hate myself.
 
 
Sax
12:05 / 02.03.06
Full list of Hammer films courtesy of imdb.
 
 
sleazenation
12:17 / 02.03.06
Love thy Neighbour: the movie... the horror, the horror...
 
 
Spaniel
12:21 / 02.03.06
For some reason I really thought Theatre of Blood was a Hammer movie. Whatever, if you appreciate Hammer you will appreciate Theatre of Blood.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:05 / 02.03.06
Most memorable line is when Cushing and Lee are accused of being spies and Cushing retorts "Spies? Good Lord, we're British!" with utter outrage.

I'm sure there's a bit in it when Christopher Lee says something like: "The beast must have been reanimated by someone versed in one of the dark arts, like witchcraft or yoga."

Horror Express, all the way.

Not sure if it's Hammer, but I also love Death Line. It involves a hairy mutated geezer who lives in the tunnels of the London underground system near Russell Square tube station. The only surviving descendent of Victorian tunnel workers trapped underground and driven to cannibalism. Driven insane by darkness, isolation and a diet of rats and human flesh, he is only capable of uttering one phrase over and over again in his tormented wail: "Mind the doors! Mind the dooorrrss!!"

It also features Donald Pleasance as the scene stealing proto-Sweeney copper, who spends the whole time getting pissed and abusing the student protagonists who stumble into the mystery: "Get yer hair cut!" Christopher Lee turns up for five minutes as a sinister secret agent.

It's really shit, with brain achingly tedious tracking shots of dead people in the tunnels that go on for far, far too long - but the Donald Pleasance bits are absolute genius and that, combined with the premise, make it great.

Also, on a Donald Pleasance tip, there's a great anthology film which I think is called: "From beyond the grave". May or may not be Hammer. It involves a creepy curiosity shop owned by Peter Cushing, who sells various haunted antiques to sophisticated London proto-yuppie scum with horrific consequences. Donald Pleasance is a match seller with a sinister daughter. Somebody installs an old wooden door in their modern flat that opens into the past. There's a haunted mirror. All the stories are mental, in one way or another. Worth seeing.
 
 
grant
17:25 / 02.03.06
The Vampire Lovers!
Yes! This is the one! Good lord, just look at the characters' names!
When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth !
All cavemen! No dialogue!

Aiiee! and Curse of the Werewolf!
Oliver Reed in Mexico! OK, it's Spain! I can't remember the plot at all, but I don't care! HE LOOKED SO BESTIAL!
 
 
grant
17:31 / 02.03.06
Sax, you magnificent bastard, The Lost Continent!
I saw this as a kid on a visit to South Africa. Weird coincidence -- I'd just borrowed the book it was based on (or that was based on it) from my uncle's shelf and devoured it. A couple days later, it was on SABC. This was in the 70s, when South Africa had one channel. I came away thinking this was somehow a very important story down there. Or at least that maybe giant crabs were more common than I'd previously assumed.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
21:38 / 02.03.06
The Terence Fisher Hammer films are generally considered to be excellent (high production values and a uniquely different take upon Frankenstein, the werewolf etc..Certainly aside from the Universal movies, the definitive take), and of course the wonderful Quatermass series (written by Nigel Kneale, one of Britain's greatest script writers).
 
 
_Boboss
07:53 / 03.03.06
Best hammer film to name-drop at the mo is ‘curse of the seven golden vampires’ a coproduction with the Shaw Bros. studio in Hong Kong. vampires and kungfu together for the first time in the west. smart.

can only really echo the quatermass recommendations (the second movie with the excellent location shooting, creeping conspiracy, crusading labour mp and the very, very drunk Prof Q is currently my favourite).

the best british horror movies of the sixties and seventies ain't hammer though. really you're after michael reeves' non-hammer hammerstyle films, the most famous being 'witchfinder general' and 'the sorcerors', or less generic gems like the mentioned-upstairs 'death line'.

Now I come to think of it, the best way to get a solid primer in hammer horror films is probably to watch the major types and tropes (not to mention sets, costumes, props and horse-drawn carriages) being recycled and mocked in ‘carry on screaming’. Kenneth Williams playing a mad professor is actually more frightening to me than lee as Dracula.
 
  

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