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uncool stuff that you've done with magick

 
  

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02:02 / 26.02.02
Well, today I got dressed.



m3
 
 
—| x |—
17:21 / 26.02.02
Today I stirred my coffee.

m3
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
17:45 / 26.02.02
I keep trying to stir my coffee with magick but my spirit helpers keep laughing at me.

"Stupid human! That's what a spoon is for."

It's nice that I can give them a good laugh every now and again.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:18 / 26.02.02
Define "cool".
 
 
Ground Zero
18:51 / 26.02.02
quote:"Stupid human! That's what a spoon is for."

Try to remember...there is no spoon.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:18 / 26.02.02
Unless you're The Tick.

"SPOOOOOOOON!"
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
23:18 / 26.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Ground Zero:


Try to remember...there is no spoon.


But by that logic, there is also no coffee.

And I need my coffee!
 
 
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00:37 / 27.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Mordant C@rnival:
Define "cool".


In the spirit of "to dare" and with running the risk of aggravating even more people by sounding ever more trollish I will merely say:

"Exactly."

This thread is sort of a spoof regarding the other thread with a similar title in the Magick, but it is not merely a spoof...

Oh crap! Here I go again. Yep. Me and Whitesnake...
 
 
—| x |—
00:41 / 27.02.02
The spoon is my spirit helper, ya' dig?

And I need my coffee too!
Mordant, help us out yo?
 
 
—| x |—
06:06 / 28.02.02
Today I tied my shoe.

[and dammit mordant, where the f*#k's the coffee!?! ]

m3

[ 28-02-2002: Message edited by: modthree ]
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
06:43 / 28.02.02
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
07:49 / 28.02.02
I once left magick on the roof of my car. I drove off and it scattered all over the M25. There were three accidents that day between junctions four and fifteen involving the ghosts of marsupials. I got a call from the police saying they'd found my magick by the side of the road (fortunately the string hadn't broken) and could I please come get it before all the spectral kangaroos caused any more trouble. I was really embarrassed until they told me that there are usually many more accidents than that. Apparently the kangaroos were directing traffic. And if you can tell me what colour the kangaroos were...then thanks for charging my latest working.

[ 28-02-2002: Message edited by: Nick ]
 
 
FinderWolf
11:42 / 28.02.02
Okay, Mordant, that's by far THE coolest custom face I've seen so far!!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:59 / 28.02.02
You know, mod3, I'm still not sure what you're trying to say with this thread.

That magick is all around us every day? Hare, hare, London bus, sort of thing?

That the word "cool" is inappropriate to a discussion of magick? I don't think the other thread was using the "cool" as in a naaaasty pair of trainers, more like as general term for good, successful, or just plain fun.

Do please clue us in.

[ 28-02-2002: Message edited by: Mordant C@rnival ]
 
 
Bear
20:13 / 28.02.02
Wasn't there a thread about cool stuff with magick I though Mod was mocking that one?
 
 
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04:23 / 01.03.02
quote:Originally posted by bear:
Wasn't there a thread about cool stuff with magick I though[t] Mod was mocking that one?


Not mocking, bear, but spoofing. I see a subtle but important difference between the two!

That's one sweet cuppa' java, Mordant! Everyone else get a cup? I think I'll go for a second...

<lights smoke>

And my hasn't Nick been a feisty fellow today? Several of yer posts in different threads have made me LOL, including the one above!

For some reason I see the boomers as a creamy dark blue with orange and pink spots...

<shrug>

If I clue you in, then I won't have to post to this thread anymore! Oh all right.

Mordant, when you say

quote:...magick is all around us every day

that is not too far off the mark. Pretty damn close to bull's eye really. This is likely where many of the old hands will <yawn> and wonder off.

See the thing is that if I've one gripe about the Magick forum (and I’ve been reading it since a little before this time last year), then it is the lack of appreciation for "novices" or "neophytes." Now what I mean by that is not that we do our best to be rude to them or look down on them or other such lame crap. Quite the contrary, many of us do what we can to address questions from those who are beginning to get their toes wet.

But what I do mean is that if I were reading all these threads from the perspective of a lurking "neophyte," then I think it would be quite easy to get a skewed version of magick and magickal practice. We often talk about spells, sigils, servitors, godforms, etc. etc.—and I think that such talk is fine and dandy—but we rarely address more so-called "mundane" issues.

I am simply concerned with providing those "not-yet-in-the-know" with a better perspective on what magick might be about. I sometimes worry that this forum could lead some people to make a rigid sacred/profane distinction (where 'sacred' is filling in as a synecdoche for {magick, sorcery, mysticism, etc.}) and I feel, as you might know, that such a distinction is no better (or worse) than the high/low distinction.

So, my threads are not some form of concealed insults to those old hands who post frequently to the Magick (you’ll know if I’m actually pissed about something); rather, they are often like subtle lessons for those who post very little ('cause they are only now finding their magick wings--so to speak) or those who do not post at all but only read.

Now the reason that I might sometimes seem to obscure things or make them appear unclear is because that is my way. Personally, I feel that unless you struggle with something to tease out the meaning for yourself, then you haven't really learned anything. If someone tells you something in a way that you totally understand without the need for some thinking, then I don't think you've gained very much.

In short, I’m generating obscurity dependent on grappling with the point; in other words, now and then I’m merely trying to show a larger set of dots for people to connect. So I hope that’s OK with all you fine folks. I realize that such a style doesn’t agree with everyone, but then again, spicy food doesn’t agree with everyone either.

So today, like every other day, I changed the world, even if only slightly and, from my current perspective, imperceptibly. I only hope that I’m changing it for the better.

23 + 31 + 12 = 0 (mod 3)
 
 
Bear
05:45 / 01.03.02
Glad we got the cleared up....god bless modthree
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
07:11 / 01.03.02
quote:Several of yer posts in different threads have made me LOL, including the one above!Just trying to shake things up a bit, but, please understand, not just taking the piss.

I just think it would be a shame if the Barbelith magick forum settled into a pattern of using a regular poker hand of Chaos techniques when goodness knows it's full of creative people.

I have no idea whether the Kangaroo thing will work, but I reckon that imaginative concentration could well be work as a kind of quiet gnosis, depending on how funky it got.

Like the Zen Master's invisble beard.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:01 / 01.03.02
Oh yeah, the kangaroo thing was very cool. I thought you were kinda going somewhere w/ that stuff....
 
 
ShadowRain
08:06 / 01.03.02
Thanks for clarifying that As one of the neophyte lurkers in terms of the whole Chaos Magic thing, I read your explanation with interest. The last week or two I had come across the whole discussion regarding your 'deliberate' obfuscation of matters and I have to admit that I was at first wondering why you would do that.

But your explanation makes a whole lot of sense, and has changed my views on the whole situation.

With regards to 'uncool' things done with magic .... did some magick to find the book I'd written all my own poetry in, which had been missing for approximately 8 months.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:11 / 01.03.02
Sounds pretty cool to me.
 
 
ShadowRain
08:17 / 01.03.02
Runce - Well, usually the whole perception around magick is of the earth-shattering, make-major-change variety. To most people finding a book that's been missing would be a 'mundane' use of magick, as it would not count up there with the changing-the-world stuff. Therefore my interpretation of uncool use of 'magick'.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:19 / 01.03.02
You needn't have posted all that.

I got it the first time round.

Kisses.
 
 
ShadowRain
08:29 / 01.03.02
Scaly. Maybe I was just trying to get my post rate up to 'Member' status

Hugs
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:50 / 01.03.02
There was a discussion about me deliberately obfuscating? Really? What, here, or elsewhere on the board? Was that Snoop's 'censoreship' or something else?

I do have views about the state of the game. I'm actually a big fan of what you might call 'found' magick - magick you do in a given form because that's the way the world presents you with an opportunity to do it, always remembering what you wanted to do in the first place. But like someone said...that can be an excuse to do sloppy work.

I also think there's a danger of chicken magick - you know? Magick where everything has the same flavour?
 
 
Bear
08:56 / 01.03.02
Sigilitis I think its called Nick, I suffer from it myself a little
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:56 / 01.03.02
I knew someone once who did magick by cooking. She said if you were going to spend ages on a working, you might as well eat when you were finished.

It's got a better heritage than you might imagine, too...in Egyptian myth, mages used to write knowledge in soluble ink and wash it into a mug with beer, then drink the beer and ink to gain understanding.

One hopes the ink was not poisonous. Certainly the "mousse au chocolat pour KCHGA" was lovely.
 
 
Persephone
11:23 / 01.03.02
Neat, like Like Water For Chocolate. I think food is magic in any case.

quote:Originally posted by Nick:
There was a discussion about me deliberately obfuscating?


Not you, mod. It's the diZzy thread, if you want to look. Tip: pick a point on the wall to fix your eye on as you go round and round, that's what they tell you for ice-skating, anyway.

And OMG, chicken magick ...that's a T-shirt concept waiting to be born.
 
 
Papess
12:38 / 01.03.02
quote:Originally posted by modthree:

Now the reason that I might sometimes seem to obscure things or make them appear unclear is because that is my way. Personally, I feel that unless you struggle with something to tease out the meaning for yourself, then you haven't really learned anything. If someone tells you something in a way that you totally understand without the need for some thinking, then I don't think you've gained very much.



Yes, yes, yes! Thank you. You had to be blatant about why you are obscure but that is cool, hehehe.
I like your style modthree. It let's me think for myself about subjects that you merely point at. I have to work at it but I get more out of it, like the diZzy thread. You lost me sometimes but I am not worse for it. I thank you for trustiong my intelligence!

~May Tricks
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
12:52 / 01.03.02
quote:Originally posted by modthree:

We often talk about spells, sigils, servitors, godforms, etc. etc.—and I think that such talk is fine and dandy—but we rarely address more so-called "mundane" issues.

I am simply concerned with providing those "not-yet-in-the-know" with a better perspective on what magick might be about.


I would like to hear more about these points.

What 'mundane' issues do you think need to be addressed?

and

What sort of 'perspective on what magick might be about' do you want to put forth?

I have a sneaking suspiscion that somewhere in here is another semantic arguement on what the definition of 'Magic' is.
 
 
Persephone
13:15 / 01.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:
I have a sneaking suspiscion that somewhere in here is another semantic arguement on what the definition of 'Magic' is.


Just a difference between you and me, and it's not a bad thing, is that you seem to say "semantic" to mean "just words," whereas my idea is more like semantics (words) *are* the magic.

PoTAYto, poTAHto... but let's *not* call the whole thing off...
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
13:28 / 01.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Persephone:


Just a difference between you and me, and it's not a bad thing, is that you seem to say "semantic" to mean "just words," whereas my idea is more like semantics (words) *are* the magic.

PoTAYto, poTAHto... but let's *not* call the whole thing off...


I say 'Semantic' to mean that if we're not careful, another arguement will break out not on the meat of the matter but because some people define 'magic' one way where other people will define it another way.

Let's be clear about what we're discussing before another shitstorm pops up.

If Modthree is defining 'magic' in such a way that 'tying your shoes' is magic that's fine. By understanding that from the outset I won't get into a semantic arguement due to a difference in chosen definitions.

[edited to bring up:]
Also notice that this thread started by using the term 'Magick' which usually has very specific connotations as opposed to 'magic'.

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Lothar Tuppan ]
 
 
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10:56 / 02.03.02
part 1 of 3

OK. So it’s Friday morning and I’m brushing my teeth, which often plays the role of a morning meditation. I get into a rhythm and end up focusing on the water circling down the drain as I <brusha-brusha> away—I find the sound and sensation very soothing. I go for between 5 and 10 minutes of this which usually puts me in a very relaxed and lucid state. I sometimes do some really interesting thinking while I’m brushing my teeth. Anyway, I’m brushing away, and let me tell you that I don’t listen to the Barenaked Ladies much, if at all, when suddenly I find myself singing (in my head) a little song to the tune of “Last Week” or “One Week” or whatever. At the time I merely thought it was my absurdist brain crankin’ out a little happy-funny weirdness to serenade my sweetie with and set the day off with a chuckle. It went like this:

“Chicken feet are neat, but watch for their beaks, if ya’ put them in the soup then it adds a little flavour.”

So now I get here and hear what you fine people are discussing and (?, !). Well, make of all that what you will, but I thought it was, well you know, Z-ish.

<puffs on smoke>

So anyhoo Nick—if I may be so bold—I feel that, with a firm grasp, I’m picking up what you’re putting down.

<blows a smoke ring…blows second smoke ring through the first>

Dontcha’ love how cigarettes burn here in Litherland? And the coffee’s still fresh too…

ShadowRain, it’s a pleasure to meet you! The thing about your poetry book is pretty neat. It coulda’ easily went into the “cool” thread…but I think you get the joke. I’ve found that lost items often come back with a little magick. Lately, I’ve been trying to work it so they don’t disappear in the first place!

Sigilitis!?!”

LOL! That’s great bear!

Hello Persephone. <nods> May. Always a pleasure to run into you two!



Is that what they say about figure skating? I’m quite sure that even if I *could* do any of those graceful, daring maneuvers I’d still fall over onto my head, retching. Much too diZzying for me! What’s Like Water For Chocolate? Book? Movie? Sumthin’ else?

Semantics?!

“Silly semanticist: words are for tricks!”

That’s what I always say, anyway…Lothar, you devil, are you sure that you’re not a philosopher? They’re always runnin’ around demanding of one another:

“Define your terms!”

But in order for me to define my terms properly, we have to go through that portal there beside you…but before we go, I’d merely like to say that I add a “k” on magick not because I’m a Thelemite or something, but because I arbitrarily decided to go along with the “distinguishes it from stage magic” line. A wise old man that I used to correspond with many moons ago spells it ‘M/magic(k)’ and says:

quote:M/magic(k) should not be confused with “sorcery,” which is the practice of using formulas and rituals by the ordinary mind to affect reality in self-seeking ways. “Magic,” on the other hand, is active participation of the higher consciousness in creative experiences and mystical understanding.

He was a pretty funny fellow that way…

<walks through door>

[ 03-03-2002: Message edited by: modthree ]
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
14:06 / 02.03.02
quote:Originally posted by modthree:

M/magic(k) should not be confused with “sorcery,” which is the practice of using formulas and rituals by the ordinary mind to affect reality in self-seeking ways. “Magic,” on the other hand, is active participation of the higher consciousness in creative experiences and mystical understanding.


Which is EXACTLY the political and judgemental 'High Magick/Low Magick' categorizing. (i.e., "that magic is inferior to mine. 'magic' is about enlightenment. Yours is self seeking and is therefore just 'sorcery'.")
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
14:18 / 02.03.02
quote:Originally posted by modthree:

That’s what I always say, anyway…Lothar, you devil, are you sure that you’re not a philosopher? They’re always runnin’ around demanding of one another:

“Define your terms!”



Maybe I'm the blue collar magical philosopher. Maybe not.

What was interesting is that I asked two very straightforward questions and didn't get answers from you.

You listed another person's def. of Magic in such a way that I (or anybody else reading this thread) am unsure whether you adhere to that def. or not.

So, I'll post the questions again.

"What 'mundane' issues do you think need to be addressed?"

and

"What sort of 'perspective on what magick might be about' do you want to put forth?"

Or was your 'correspondent's' Magic/sorcery [i.e., high magick/low magick] correlation the perspective you wanted to bring up?

If that's the case, why on earth are you resurrecting that painful and heated argument again? Especially in light of the whole Dizzy thing?

[edited because I just found his response to my question in the Mangoin up the Magick thread ]

“Yours (inclusive; i.e. each and every one of ‘you’ )”

Great! Now I know what this thread is about (at least as of this particular moment... oh shit it's gone now!).

Where the fuck's my coffee?

[ 02-03-2002: Message edited by: Lothar Tuppan ]
 
  

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