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Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:23 / 23.02.02
Now that all the dust has settled a bit, can I mention the hostile vibe I've been feeling around this forum recently? I know, I know- everyone feels they have a legitamate grievance. Nobody wants to back down. I can understand that (since I have an unfortunate habit of digging my teeth into an issue and not letting go until someone whacks me across the nose with a rolled-up newspaper). And arguments, however heated they may get, are a valuable tool.

However, I think it's important to try and take a step back every now and again so as not to get bogged down in rivalry. Plus, I really fucking hate it when I see people I like fighting each other.

So this is and appeal for peace (and you can all stop laughing, okay? Pretend it's not me saying it.)

I'd like everyone reading this to take a moment to centre themselves. Take a long, deep breath. Exhale all the negative feelings that have been generated here. Let go of your resentment. Think of all the positive things that have been and can be achieved in the forum when we work together.

Peace out,

MCxx

[ 23-02-2002: Message edited by: Mordant C@rnival ]
 
 
penitentvandal
11:49 / 23.02.02
This is unprecedented. The first time there have actually been more arguments somewhere when I haven't been present than when I have!

What's everyone been fighting about, then?
 
 
Trijhaos
12:24 / 23.02.02
what hostility?

I'll admit I don't read every thread posted in the magick, but I haven't really seen any hostility present in the threads I have read.
 
 
Ierne
19:04 / 23.02.02
It really doesn't matter where the arguments took place or what they were about -- instant replays are not necessary. What matters is that the Magick is one of the calmer, less dramatic areas of Barbelith, and most of us would like to keep it that way.
 
 
Papess
09:38 / 24.02.02
Hmmm, The title of this thread gave me an idea.....

Why don't we all ask Transducer to help us clean up the negativity here at the Magick.

I really do not visit any of the other boards so I cannot tell what is going on there. Maybe Transducer can consume the negativity on all of them.

I do not know why I did not think of this earlier but, peace and love and all that stuff, begins at home, NO? This is our community here and it is important to keep it a safe and caring enviorment (if that is what we all want!) All members have a role in keeping Barbelith a responsible discussion forum. Let's do our part for Barbelith!

Mangoes For All!
~May Tricks
 
 
FinderWolf
09:38 / 24.02.02
Sounds like a great idea to me. I haven't noticed any of the arguments or threads with hostility, but, as Ierne said, we don't really need a recap. suffice it to say that peace shall reign here in The Magick.

I still play the Peace Mango song about once every week or so, and still find myself noticing the word "Mango" (not only the fruit & juice; even found a Mr. John Mango who is a CPA, his office was next to the guy's office who does my taxes the other day!!) all over the place, and still delight in some mango juice.

Mango flavored sorbet, that's next on my list.......

The world needs it just as much as The Magick does -- peace now more than ever.
Peace to all --
 
 
Tamayyurt
09:38 / 24.02.02
Actally it's a good idea but to focus on the Magick would be a waste cause the Magick is pretty chillin' compared to the fuckery that's been going on in the rest of Barbelith.

ps. where do you guys get those wonderful smileys?
 
 
—| x |—
09:38 / 24.02.02
Yarr mangos for all! The peace cocktail choice of the new generation.

But I’d also have to say (not asking for a recap) that I’m not sure what hostility you are referring to? But if there is hostility and resentment, then HELL YES, we need to get it out and let it go (like an exorcism). ‘Nuff demons out there runnin’ around in the real world without lettin’ them get in here too…

That said, I’ve no resentments towards anyone here in The Magick forum, nor can I think of anyone else in any other forum here in the vast Litherland that I’ve grievances with.

There are no suckers here that I’d like to punch!

That said, I agree with the general sentiment of your post, Mordant: as an s divided, we fall.

Let’s reduce the Beast to nothing,
666 = 123 + 231 + 312 = 0 (mod 3)
 
 
Ierne
09:38 / 24.02.02
But I’d also have to say (not asking for a recap)that I’m not sure what hostility you are referring to? –modthree

Oh really? You were "kind" enough to link to it in the very same post the above quote came from. Thanks for the recap.

But then it's just trolling for attention, isn't it? You're not impressive or clever, modthree. Division within obscurity is what you're all about. Go play in the conversation where people will gladly be nasty back to you.

[ 24-02-2002: Message edited by: Ierne ]
 
 
ciarconn
09:38 / 24.02.02
You know, when I started in this forum, I told my wife I had not felt as well in a group of (cyber)people, since I was in highschool, on the religious social movement.
A little time latter, The friction started. I know the diferences are normal, and I can live (have lived) with people that do not think like me.
I hope we can return to the old atmosphere we had in this forum.
 
 
Papess
09:38 / 24.02.02
I think Ierne needs a Mango!

~May
 
 
Naked Flame
09:38 / 24.02.02
Ah, what I love about this place is the fact we don't all agree. But one can argue peacefully and respectfully and mostly I think we do that pretty well, planks aside.

we're all on the same side. Even if it's the same side of some kind of moebius strip. I have inklings that working together is going to become ever more important.

Incidentally, I don't want to give too much away but there may be big mango news soon. I'm hoping the transducer can octave up and extend its reach and ability to resolve violent potential. Anyone who wants to help this happen, feed it your problems, let go and let it chew on 'em...
 
 
Papess
11:27 / 24.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Flame On:
I'm hoping the transducer can octave up and extend its reach and ability to resolve violent potential. Anyone who wants to help this happen, feed it your problems, let go and let it chew on 'em...


This is very cool Flame! This is what Transducer is for. Ze will chomp on those problems and wash them down with your woes!

~May
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:50 / 24.02.02
quote:Originally posted by impulsivelad:
where do you guys get those wonderful smileys?


Here and here, mostly.

BTW- if you see a graphic and want to know it's URL, right-click on it and select "properties".
 
 
Ground Zero
15:58 / 24.02.02


[ 24-02-2002: Message edited by: Ground Zero ]
 
 
Indigo
16:16 / 24.02.02
Personally I think mangos' taste disgusting, but I'm all for less hostility and more peace. It is a good thing that we don't all agree (after all if we did, we wouldn't need to discuss anything as we'd all think along exactly the same lines anyway), but getting hostile just seems wrong.

Let's keep our unity as a forum as well as the diversity of each individual... and let's not bloody well fight!
 
 
ciarconn
23:46 / 24.02.02
Hey, have you ever eaten a mango with it's skin? Ir really changes it's taste. Virtual/chaos mangoes for everyone (who likes them)
 
 
Papess
00:22 / 25.02.02
Well here is a smiley for the Magick...



~May
 
 
Ierne
12:57 / 25.02.02
I think Ierne needs a Mango! – May Tricks

Of course you do, May. This is because you consider me a source of negativity on this board. You've mentioned it to me both publicly on the Magick, and privately in PMs that have little resemblance to the Pollyana-style posts you specialize in. (Admittedly, I did ask you to PM me so as not to rot a particular thread; I will not make that same mistake again.)

I have repeatedly stated that my criticism of your comments are not to be taken as personal attacks on you, but that doesn't seem to be sinking in. I'm really not interested in playing the Mean Nasty Bitch to your Darling of Sweetness and Light – I've got better things to do, both in this Forum and in general.

Stop projecting your own negativity onto me and deal with it yourself. You'll need more than a mango for that.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:10 / 25.02.02
Can I just interject w/ a compliment? Hey, it might add to the "good vibes" type deal. But, MC, thanks for priming me the other week re my doomed company. This place is fucked, fucked, fucked. I sit, typing this, awaiting the joys of liquidation and unemployment, or the shitarse hell that is temporary cash injection.... Hey, that's great! 200 grand? That'll keep us going all of a month. Most of our equipment has blown up. The place is fucking jinxed. Thanks for forewarning me...

You are one cool Witch.

Unfortunately, though, I'm bloody depressed.
 
 
Papess
09:41 / 26.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Ierne:
Stop projecting your own negativity onto me and deal with it yourself. You'll need more than a mango for that.


Oh, you are probably right Ierne. Taking a good, long look at our own self is not an unreasonable place to start. This is excellent advice and I will take it.

~May Tricks
 
 
—| x |—
09:41 / 26.02.02
Ah yes, so here it is (or at least part of it anyway). We've gotten it out. Now what are we going to do about letting it go?

I actually had you in mind, Ierne, when I posted the link, but not for the reasons that you probably think. I was inspired to write the line "as an s divided, we fall," but then I realized that it might not be clear (i.e. it might be "obsfucating") what I meant by that, so I decided to link to where I explain what I mean. It is only by happenstance that diZzy also contains some (all?) of the elements of hostility to which Mordant was maybe (?) referring.

And geez, who manifested those elements? Why you did Ierne! For some reason or other you decided that everyone who got anything out of diZzy must be beneath you and against you, and that I am most certainly a troll.

Don't judge me simply because I live under a bridge!

I don't know what you are basing these conclusions of yours on? And I have trouble understanding how an open minded person such as yourself became so quick to condemn and disapprove of others who were involved in a spontaneous magickal act. Is it because it didn't fit in to "Ierne's conceptions of how a thread should be"?

Again, I have no grievances with anyone here on the 'Lith, but Ierne, you are beginning to try my patience.

And I'm afraid you only got it half right, my dear: I'm not only about division in obscurity but I'm also about unity in clarity, but I see that perhaps you didn't read diZzy at all, but only used it as a place to stomp around in while attempting to shout down the people who were there because they were interested.

m3
 
 
—| x |—
09:41 / 26.02.02
Geez, I can almost hear the sound of Mordant pounding her black nailed fists into her keyboard:

"It was supposed to be a thread about peace and making up you dumb fuckers!"

Well, that's what I would like to do. If you've read diZzy, then maybe you can suss out that I'd prefer it if (Ierne, modthree) = s as oppossed to it being as it is now, which is a vs. b. But I think this matter is in Ierne's hands and not mine. But maybe this thread is a good place to at least open a dialogue, if not, then it'll be battle royal time in the Conversation!

And as much as I enjoy watching in wonder/horror as the little wizard smiley gets eaten by the smiley made dragon, I can't help but think that maybe there's some kind of message in there somewhere...

Make Mine Modulo!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:41 / 26.02.02
quote:Originally posted by modthree:
Geez, I can almost hear the sound of Mordant pounding her black nailed fists into her keyboard:

"It was supposed to be a thread about peace and making up you dumb fuckers!"


Almost?

I swear, I'm just about ready to slap a big fat binding on this entire forum. I will turn into Evil Mordant, with black opaque eyeballs and shit, and it will be all your faults.

Ragh.

[ 26-02-2002: Message edited by: Mordant C@rnival ]
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
12:10 / 26.02.02
Other than the Dizzy thread (of which I participated in the hostility to some degree) I really don't see any hostility in this forum.

I don't think it's fair to announce a forum wide epidemic for the actions of a few people in one thread.

Am I missing some controversial threads somewhere?
 
 
Indigo
12:29 / 26.02.02
Is it just my imagination, or are things starting to get a bit heated in here again? We start off by talking peace, and then the opposite happens!!! Hell, I hope my magic doesn't go like that!
 
 
Bear
12:38 / 26.02.02
<Cartman> I hate you guys <Cartman>

Its not just hear its everywhere, I think its the weather, its just so grey once the sun starts shinning everyone will feel much better....
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:49 / 26.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:
Other than the Dizzy thread I really don't see any hostility in this forum.


Maybe I'm being oversensitive, but I felt that some comments and replies have been a little sharper than they need to be lately. Just a feeling. Perhaps it's only me.
 
 
Ierne
13:18 / 26.02.02
But maybe this thread is a good place to at least open a dialogue, if not, then it'll be battle royal time in the Conversation! – modthree

Are you threatening me now? How very "a vs. b" of you. Indeed, how very shit-stirring and trollish of you to take your quarrel with me out of the Magick Forum. You're showing your true colors nicely.

However, modthree, I've lost interest. Maybe you should too.
 
 
Tamayyurt
13:57 / 26.02.02
<cries> God damnit! You're all acting like my parents! <cries> Chill, I love you and you're tearing me apart.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:34 / 26.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Indigo:
We start off by talking peace, and then the opposite happens!!! Hell, I hope my magic doesn't go like that!


Hey, you're right! Let's give it a try...

Oi, Magick krew! Everyone booze up and riot!
 
 
—| x |—
17:10 / 26.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Ierne:
Are you threatening me now? How very "a vs. b" of you. Indeed, how very shit-stirring and trollish of you to take your quarrel with me out of the Magick Forum. You're showing your true colors nicely.


Hmm...not a threat, but merely following the advice that you yourself give about where such things are best addressed. I thought if there persists in being a problem between us, Ierne, then we could address it somewhere outside this forumn in an attempt to avoid clutering up the Magick with the negative vibes that are crackling between us.

And if anyone's been showing hir "true colours" lately it has been you, but I'm not going to run with that unless we've gotta' battle it out in the squared circle.

Since the tone of your post suggests the contrary of you losing interest in all this, may I ask why you've not made an attempt to answer the questions I've asked you:

1. Why did diZzy upset you so much?
2. What are you basing your conclusions on?

Not trying to provoke, but only trying to understand where you are coming from...because truly and for sure I am

m3
 
 
—| x |—
17:18 / 26.02.02
[thread rottish]

Oh, we're making impulsivelad cry...

There-there impulsivelad, there-there, shut up boy! (Simpsons reference; i.e. humour, please, no hurt feelings!)

Lothar, did you read the rest of the diZzy thread (the stuff posted after you'd left)? Did you get a feel for what I was talking about?

m3
 
 
Ierne
17:27 / 26.02.02
No, modthree. You had your chance for "adressing the issue" when Lothar and I asked you repeatedly to clarify your posts. You refused to do that and just took the piss out of us. I'm really not interested in dealing with you anymore.

If you honestly think I'm mistaken in considering you a troll, then stop harassing me. You talk a good talk in the Policy about people showing "self-control" in the face of things/people they don't like – why don't you show some and lay off? Nobody is right here and nobody is going to win this argument. And frankly, nobody cares about this except you.

Care to move on? Shall we agree to disagree?
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
17:32 / 26.02.02
quote:Originally posted by modthree:
[thread rottish]

Oh, we're making impulsivelad cry...

There-there impulsivelad, there-there, shut up boy! (Simpsons reference; i.e. humour, please, no hurt feelings!)

Lothar, did you read the rest of the diZzy thread (the stuff posted after you'd left)? Did you get a feel for what I was talking about?

m3


I understood where you were coming from. My last series of posts there were to try and clarify why I thought Ierne and I got upset, not to point fingers at anyone. My intent was to try to show that we had a reason based on an innocent miscommunication to get upset. Not that we were mean nasty negative people who piss in people's cornflakes (as one poster accused me of a few months back). But that horse has been beat into bloody gluey bits over in Dizzy and I don't want to beat on the poor thing anymore.

As I said in that thread, math has always been my weakest intellectual point so I'm not sure I had anything meaningful to add to Dizzy at this point.

Also, I was stuck in praxis and magico-human politics (did I just make up a buzzword? ) while you were dealing with a different focus in theory. I've been reading the other thread Will and you started in the Lab and have been interested (if not more than a little confused by the math).
 
  

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