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The Arctic Monkeys.

 
  

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All Acting Regiment
12:28 / 11.02.06
i guess you never had the honour of having a glass bottle thrown at you, smashing on impact on the back of your neck for the crime of having long hair & looking gay. (apparently).

I have.

it makes me sick how people can sit there from an infinitely sheltered and removed bourgeois politically correct perspective lamenting society's prejudice against its underclass.

See here.

do you even know, have any inclination whatsoever how bad some of the council estates in this country are?

I lived next to one through my teens and my best mate lived on it. Oh and, bad for who?
 
 
Anthony
12:55 / 11.02.06
bad for anybody, obviously, who doesn't look & act like they do.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
18:21 / 11.02.06
Ahem.

"Them"? Is this the faceless underclasses again? Just...urgh, really.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:24 / 11.02.06
In my long and uneventful life, I have found, Anth, that it is best to avoid using such terms as 'they' when discussing 'the other people.' When these thoughts boil up like a volcano in the cesspool of my mind, as, I fear, they sometimes do, what I usually like to do is have an ice cream fancy, or possibly a scone.

Just saying, is all (as I gather the young people put it,)

Yours,

Alan.
 
 
Anthony
11:13 / 12.02.06
sadly it is the effect of how isolated one can come to feel in the circumstances. i do agree though that it is erroneous to brand everyone in the same fashion.
 
 
Anthony
14:58 / 12.02.06
i wouldn't say faceless underclass really. more like pack of ugly bastards.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
15:11 / 12.02.06
Oh good.
 
 
Anthony
19:10 / 12.02.06
i agree with the general point though. Artic Monkeys are shit and so are the Kaiser Chiefs.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:34 / 12.02.06
I thought the general point was that you're a prick.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:42 / 12.02.06
bad for anybody, obviously, who doesn't look & act like they do.

Not bad for the people who have to live there, then?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:14 / 13.02.06
I lost my grip on myself at the last Arctic Monkeys 'gig' I attended. Not, I should hasten to add, because I was frightened of the strength of my feelings (I haven't felt anything since about 1987,) it was simply this - I was seized by an almost uncontrollable urge to go to the bar and drink nearly two glasses of light ale.

In the taxi back home though, I was pursued by this thought - 'What on earth would Thora have made of all this, the git?'

As ever,

AB
 
 
haus of fraser
09:35 / 13.02.06
I thought the general point was that you're a prick.

Hmmm, i may not agree with what anth is saying but this is pretty unpleasent talk Mr Dupre- and we wonder why the music forum gets shunned by others- you may want to explain 'why' you think this way rather than spouting off insults. Cos at the moment you are looking just as much a 'prick'- if not worse to me.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:54 / 13.02.06
Unfortunately, I don't really care very much any more.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:31 / 13.02.06
Well, I think Anth fired first, with "infinitely sheltered and removed bourgeois politically correct perspective" pretty clearly aimed at me. As a Music mod I'd like to request that any further strong feelings about the politics of 'I Predict A Riot' do so in the Kaiser Chiefs thread linked to above, and anyone who wants to talk about the idea of an "underclass" pick up the discussion here.
 
 
Seth
15:17 / 13.02.06
What matters is who fires last and most decisively. Don't let pity or empathy for your fellow human being get in your way. It's us or them.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:46 / 13.02.06
Certainly seems to be how Anth sees the world, dunnit?
 
 
Seth
16:27 / 13.02.06
I don't know how Anth sees the world, and I have only little bit to go on based on the way I disagree with some of what he's said here.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:39 / 13.02.06
During the first bout of the so-called 'Britpop' years, I famously, but correctly I think, complained about the way people like 'Menswear,' and 'Blur,' and god help them, their 'fans,' over-ran my local pub, 'The Good Mixer' in Camden. Fortunately these days, (and as has been the case for some time now, perhaps seven or eight years,) nobody much ever seems to go in there. I eye the front door of the establishment most nights while sipping my mug of Horlicks, and, while there do still appear a certain number of young 'toughs' that frequent the pavement outside the premises, peddling their various, and nefarious, 'wares,' of which I occasionally avail myself, it has been rather quiet around here since the mid-to-late Nineties. Which is how I like it. Consequently, all this talk of a 'Britpop' revival makes me feel rather nervous, and thus I must concur with Seth's suggestion above, with regard to the need to arm oneself in these trying times.

If the Kaiser Chiefs, fo example, even think of coming anywhere near Inverness Sreet, I, for one, shall have them in my sights, as, I suspect, will my good friends Jonathan Miller and Joan Bakewell!

As ever,

Alan.
 
 
Anthony
21:23 / 13.02.06
Anth just sees the world infinitely jaded & weary of it, stuck on a council estate, unable to leave the house without expecting some kind of abuse or other. it gets to you when you have to live with it day in & day out. one day i hope i will be able to leave & find somewhere happier to live and then i'm sure my perspective on life will be a lot rosier.
it is the case yeah, being truthful & not moody particularly, that just because people might wear tracksuits & listen to dance, it doesn't mean they're automatically hell-bent on "persecuting the outsider". i guess it's really a minority, a criminal minority, doing this stuff and can't be pinned to a particular class or subculture. in that regard i would tend to agree that the term "chav" isn't particularly helpful because it's divisive. it leads one to expect a particular kind of behaviour from a particular kind of individual whereas the reality of the case is a lot subtler & can't be seen in such absurd dualities.

now i can agree with that at the moment; i'm sure in the next couple of days some other godawful thing will happen, just little things that over time cumulatively chip away at the remainder of your benevolent feelings towards humanity.. and i'll be back in my chariot again playing war.
 
 
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18:49 / 23.02.06
just little things that over time cumulatively chip away at the remainder of your benevolent feelings towards humanity.. and i'll be back in my chariot again playing war.

Yeah ok, but can you leave that shit out of this thread please?

Damn, I was expecting to read what people thought of this band when I started reading, and ended up mostly skipping through stuff that had nothing to do with how the fucking band or the album sounded! All of this council estate crap though, can we knock it off? I'm pretty sure that this thread is about the band and their music, and even if they are from a council estate, the thread seems to be going way off.

Personally, I love this band a lot. My brother has had the album for a bit now and I didn't listen to it, but after being at my mates house the other night when he played it, it's been the only thing that I've been listening to. I love the energy they have, the style of the songs, the influences I can hear in them and how they add to their music, the lyrics....for me it's just amazing stuff, and I hope that they end up having a lot of success.

I've been dying to hear a guitar band like this for such a long time hitting the mainstream again, and it's great to finally see one arrive. I know some people will think that we've already had music like this recently, and yeah, maybe we have, but there's some elements of their sound that makes me prefer them way more than a lot of the other british bands that have been around in the last 5-10 years. Finding out that they're from Sheffield is amazing aswell, it's great to know that a Yorkshire band has made an album this good and has had so much success with it already.

I like the sound of their songs that much that I could write a lot more, but I think I'll just listen to some of their stuff again, hope that some other people that actually like the band show up and post here, then post back.
 
 
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21:15 / 23.02.06
Sorry for the double post.

You know, I've just been listening to them again, and one thing that stands out above everything else is the spirit that these guys have.

Their music is genuine, you can hear it in the lyrics, the way the singer sings the songs, the way it's played, it's awesome. The music sounds live when you play it, it sounds real. When you listen to one of their songs, you hear the band there with you, and not a ton of over produced stuff. Arctic Monkeys don't seem to need that type of thing, because it seems like the closer to their original sound you get, the better it sounds.

You can hear the rawness of the guitars, the bass comes across cleanly, the drumming works so well, and the vocalist fits in perfectly with the rest of the band instead of being stuck at the front of the tracks above the rest of the instruments, like the Stone Roses did so well on their first album. The singer is in with the band, instead of the vioce being at the front and the rest of the band somewhere off in the background. The stuff that's been sung about is everyday life, going out on a night and getting pissed, having relationships, dealing with the police on the streets when you're a younger kid on a council estate, things that for so many of us are real life. It's something that people can connect with.

When you listen to some of the songs on the album you can hear the Clash, the Strokes, Oasis, the Jam, and many other bands, and you hear them balancing those influences out with their own material, and it works.

Some of their songs have a menace about them aswell, like they're bringing the mood of punk through into what they play and reframing it into something new, and with the energy that they have it just seems to work so well.

Here's hoping that they can keep this level of brilliance up.
 
 
Jackie Susann
02:30 / 24.02.06
The Sugababes' version of Betcha Look Good is pretty awesome, eh? Kind of like, if Josie and the Pussycats decided to try and be riot grrrls based on a description they half-remembered from a magazine article.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:54 / 24.02.06
I've still not heard that! Very keen to, though. (By the way, nice return to yr OLD SCHOOL name!)

jACK - Their music is genuine, you can hear it in the lyrics... What would the lyrics to music that is not genuine be like?

(I'm in general agreement with you about this thread though - I'd suggest that further discussion about teh Kaizer Chiefs should go in their thread, and further discussion about the, ahem, "underclass" should go in one of the well-worn class threads.)
 
 
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10:04 / 24.02.06
What would the lyrics to music that is not genuine be like?

I meant that when you listen to their songs, it comes across as if the lyrics are written from their own experiences, instead of something that's just made up. It seems like what's written is from their own lives. I guess it'd be easier to say that they seem genuine, instead of being fake.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
23:09 / 12.03.06
You know, I've just been listening to them again, and one thing that stands out above everything else is the spirit that these guys have.

Totally. Now, in my most Latest LTTP Moment of 2006, I only first EVER HEARD an Arctic song on SNL last night and I've been listening to their performance of "A Certain Romance" a zillion times off my DVR. I fucking love it and must now skip to Tower Records before the new Sopranos and get the CD.

My favorite bit is the rock out at the end and how it kept going for another four bars every time I wanted it to and didn't stop until I was ready. That is just attentive rocking, folks.

"That man just yawned."
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:48 / 12.03.06
I don't think that I will ever be able to leave my lovely home in Camden again.

The Arctic Monkeys... well don't get me started. They are now very possibly 'seeing more ass than a lavatory seat,' to use the somewhat indelicate phrase of the young, but I have witten f***ing thousands of plays, and what do I get? A f***ing shandy from Lord Bragg?

We used to laugh about him, Melvyn, back in the day... Oh how we used to laugh.

I don't suppose I can ever go outside again, can I?

High five,

Alan.
 
 
foolish fat finger
20:44 / 08.04.06
"I meant that when you listen to their songs, it comes across as if the lyrics are written from their own experiences..."
that's not my impression... they seem alright I guess. they don't strike me as genuine somehow. I have only heard that one song tho. I think he is talking about prostitutes and stuff to try an sound gritty, ditto emphasisin his northern vowels... they are a Northern Blur for southerners, maybe.

I don't really care that much. it's not a scene made for me. I don't rate any of those new guitar bands, I don't feel they are pushing the envelope, musically , sonically, or lyrically. I probably should have tried to sound like an Alan Bennet character to make this more interesting... ok, here goes- ooh, I just dropped a Jacob's cracker under the sofa, and when I pulled it out, it had all fluff stuck to the margerine...
 
 
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02:23 / 09.04.06
Ok, I can understand you having that view, but I hope you took the fluff off the cracker if you ended up eating it.
 
 
foolish fat finger
22:08 / 09.04.06
Alchymia, I feel I must apologise for dissin a band that you clearly love... the arctic monkeys aren't quite my cup of tea, but I think it's great the way they are getting a lot of people fired up about new music...

I am eating fluffy crackers as a penance... and I am playin my mouldy old Leonard Cohen LP's on the gramaphone... will that do?! wnf
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
23:00 / 09.04.06
Well, I too think the Arctic Monkeys are genuine, it's just that I'm genuinely (aha!) not all that interested. Getting off with girls in crappy provincial discos, fights starting after closing time, I'm sure they've experienced all that stuff, just as I've experienced it and most British people have experienced it. Fuck, Alan Bennet can probably relate to the lyrics. A vast swathe of the country- working, lower middle and upper middle class- has done most of the stuff being sung about.
Which is what makes the band so irrelevant. There's nothing there about the highs and lows, only the middle ground. If you wrote an autobiography you'd leave out everything on the AM album. Going out on a saturday night may be the highlight of the week, but it's not the most important thing you'll ever do. That said, Funhouse by The Stooges, which I have empiracally verified to be the greatest expression of art in any medium humanity has or will produce, says a lot of the same stuff, but makes the whole thing sound absolutely huge and vital and thrilling. I just don't get that from the Arctic Monkeys.
Now, you may say that sweeping epics of pain and love and stuff don't speak to people's experience, they alienate and confuse listeners (call me an elitist, g'wan). You can cite precedent on that charge too: prog-rock, emo, Nine Inch Nails, Tool and comparable bollocks. Alright, you've proved that doing and talking about difficult stuff in music is hard- much harder than in writing or film- but not that it's impossible, or that artists should settle into the cosy little cul-de-sac that the NME has pushed it into ever since The Strokes arrived.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
02:11 / 10.04.06
I like Phex a lot.

I mean, the Streets talk about a lot of the same stuff and they also use accents and so on- but they make it into something, I dunno, more interesting than the sum of it's parts, there's more fun going on, there's more interesting wordplay.

I dunno, a lot of good music's rooted in the day to day, making it acessible, but with a sense of heavy engagement with it, critical or otherwise- like that Jilted John song, I mean he gets dumped and goes to the chip shop but he cries all the way there. Or The Message, for that matter- Flash is like, "I see all this in my neighborhood, but this is what it all means- survival".
 
 
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04:51 / 10.04.06
waggling you don't have to apologize for not liking AM, and I'm sure that you don't have to eat fluffy crackers as a penance either.

Phexette, I think I understand what you mean, and can get it to a degree. When I listen to the band though the lyrics, words, and the way they're delivered do sound vital and have an edge to them. I'm not sure why some people get that and others don't though. Maybe it's just the overall style and perception of the band, or it's the actual sound that doesn't get some people as much. Maybe it's different for people who've heard so many bands that sound like them or something, or maybe there's an arrogance in the way the singer sings that narks some people but others love it.
 
  

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