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Soul retrieval and mental health

 
  

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EmberLeo
07:55 / 14.12.06
Upon reflection, I think you already did, and I'm being blind. Allow me to paraphrase from the above, and please tell me if this is the question you're trying to pass along:

Is Soul Retrieval is analogous to the raising of the shards of qlippoth in the context of the Kaballah (e.g. Chabad Hasid mysticism)?

--Ember--
 
 
Closed for Business Time
08:17 / 14.12.06
Ember - yeah, I guess that's the gist of my question. Thank you mucho. Looking very much forward to hearing yr friends reply.
 
 
EmberLeo
08:22 / 23.12.06
Sadly, though I have forwarded your question, I have gotten no response back yet. Sorry!

Hrm, I need to write up the Soul Retrieval I recently experienced, as part of my process of learning how to perform them on others...

--Ember--
 
 
EmberLeo
04:54 / 19.01.07
Okay, so I've finished reading Soul Retrieval by Sandra Ingerman. I've been on the recieving end of a soul retrieval ritual which, along with reading the book, causes me to realize that I have experienced a far more powerful retrieval as part of a ritual for another purpose entirely. And I have designed and performed my first soul retrieval for another, which was the point of all this. I have a whole heck of a lot to say and haven't any idea where to begin on this topic, or even how much of it to flood this thread with right now.

So right now I'll focus on the issue Justrix raised elsethread: What does one do when they believe they are holding onto pieces of somebody else's self/soul?

Chapter 11 of Ingerman's book discusses this, and I have thoughts on the chapter, though no specific experience with the topic personally. She explains that Soul Stealing was a deliberate thing in tribal societies that retrieval comes from, but today it's usually unconcious and thus unintentional. She declares that one cannot get anything useful out of somebody else's soul parts. I have certain doubts about this that have a great deal to do with my understanding of the nature of Love, but it's a sidebar.

She suggests that anybody who is going to recieve retrieval, and especially anybody who is going to perform retrieval should first determine if they are holding somebody else's soul parts, and find a way to return them. To that end, she suggests journey to speak with allies, or meditating to get a deeper sense of whether or not you have somebody else's parts, and if so, whose.

"Often just acknowledging that you have someone else's soul is enough to release it and send it back. In my training workshops teaching soul retrieval, I ask people to journey and explore this issue. I suggest they ask a power animal for a simple ritual to give the soul back. I stress "simple" because some of the most pwerful rituals I have participated in were short and to the point. Remember, intention is the key to ritual. Feel free to do a longer, more complicated ritual; hower, a complex ritual is not required to "get the job done." Throughout this entire process, remember to remain in a state of compassion for yourself and all involved in this deed."

The specific examples she gives are:

* Find and break a stick. This reminds me of what little I know of making a palo for speaking with the dead. I know, that's really loose.

* Use a quartz crystal that is dear to you, or find one that is appropriate. Blow the soul into the crystal. Then either give it to them as a gift, sleep with it under your pillow for some nights, or instruct the soul to continue on it's own way from there. I also think perhaps placing it in running water to release the soul from that sort of cage might work.

* Give any objects of theirs that you own back to them. This strikes me as a great idea specifically if you also want to break off all other forms of contact. Careful how you return them, however, if you don't want them to know how to find you, as with a negative relationship.

* Burn one piece of sage over a fire for every piece of soul you are holding, saying "I release you. Return to the one you belong to." Put the fire out with water and scatter the ashes. Very Native American?

* Breath work: Inhale while thinking of the person who owns the soul piece. Exhale to breath the soul part back to them.

* Give the person a gift that contains the soul part, or represents the soul part to you. This strikes me as the easiest and best method - especially if it's a relationship you wish to actively maintain. The specific example used a stone egg. Eggs are the symbol I am working most with to represent the concept of Life Force/Soul as well, so that rings particularly true to me.

* Her favorite method: Call them up on the phone and blow their missing parts back into them during the conversation I imagine this can be done in person, and via physical contact easily enough.

I would add:

* Journey to them in Otherspace, and simply hand it over.

Thoughts? Alternatives? Actual experience?

--Ember--
 
 
Papess
05:55 / 19.01.07
* Burn one piece of sage over a fire for every piece of soul you are holding, saying "I release you. Return to the one you belong to." Put the fire out with water and scatter the ashes. Very Native American?

I have done something like this before with rose petals, in my mid twenties. I wrote the name of each person i was dating or breaking up with, rather, and let the wind carry the petals where ever. Not exactly soul retrieval, rather than soul release.

* Give the person a gift that contains the soul part, or represents the soul part to you. This strikes me as the easiest and best method - especially if it's a relationship you wish to actively maintain. The specific example used a stone egg. Eggs are the symbol I am working most with to represent the concept of Life Force/Soul as well, so that rings particularly true to me.

I would worry about this method because stuff can get broken too easily, and I am constantly breaking stuff, (go figure). I would be too nervous I would mess things.

* Her favorite method: Call them up on the phone and blow their missing parts back into them during the conversation I imagine this can be done in person, and via physical contact easily enough.

Her favourite method? To blow into a phone? How humourous, considering if she did that to me, I would more than likely think she was a pervert and hang up.

* Journey to them in Otherspace, and simply hand it over.

I think that might be easier said than done. One can hand something to someone, but they don't have to take it.

Thoughts? Alternatives? Actual experience?

Actually, I am surprised this thread didn't piqued my interest more than it has. Thank you for bringing me over here, EmberLeo. It seems I have dabbled in this and it would be interesting to learn more.

Thank you for all the examples you took the time to write down for my benefit, and hopefully others will find it helpful as well.
 
 
EmberLeo
07:16 / 19.01.07
Not exactly soul retrieval, rather than soul release.

Soul release is indeed what chapter 11 is about.

I would worry about this method because stuff can get broken too easily, and I am constantly breaking stuff, (go figure). I would be too nervous I would mess things.

As long as you use something difficult to break, such that it lasts long enough for the recipient to touch it, that should be fine. As soon as they come into contact with the object, they should recieve and begin to integrate their missing parts. The object is just a delivery method, not a permanent home.

Her favourite method? To blow into a phone? How humourous, considering if she did that to me, I would more than likely think she was a pervert and hang up.

She didn't elaborate, but I imagine she was unobtrusive about it.

Journey to them in Otherspace, and simply hand it over.

I think that might be easier said than done. One can hand something to someone, but they don't have to take it.

Absoloutely. But it's theirs nonetheless, and if they refuse to take it at that point, it's not your problem anymore. I know that's harsh, but the reasons for leaving your own soul bits behind are pretty variable. That it's not good for you to hold it is actually a sepparate issue from it being bad for them not to have it. If you release it and they don't take it in immediately, that's their own issue. At least it's out there for them to retrieve when they're ready. If they ARE prepared to take it in, however, and you haven't released it, it's harder for them to get it back.

--Ember--
 
 
Ticker
13:11 / 19.01.07
are folks making distinctions between soul pieces and energetic connections?

I've experienced pieces of the energetic body being mingled/having anchor strand like connections to other people's as well as chunks of this energetic body being removed.

However to me that's different than pieces of the soul specificly.

During shared body modifications when two or more people are tied/pierced together their energetic bodies mingle. Many folks under go the ritual for this very purpose to share their engeries along the physical lines connecting them. Afterwards the piercer must also ritualisticly cut the energetic connections and ground the energy or the particpants continue to be connected.

I've seen this with ex lovers as well that can't stay apart until their energetic strands are cut and grounded. In my experience the snap back releases a huge amount of emotion.

When using a sword in ritual purifications special attention needs to be paid to what subtle connections are being severed as the charged blade is swung around the body. Many times the whole point is to sever entirely so during the later ritual one is truly alone and any consquences or energy drains will not flow down those lines. After the ritual the connections reattach unless there is specific work done to close the point of attachment.
 
 
Papess
13:42 / 19.01.07
Funny dreams last night: I used a wand he had given me to try and find him in dreaming. I would get on a bicycle an peddle all over the place, but he would have either just left, or nobody was home. So, I just left a parcel there, on the front steps of "his place". That was after 4am-drunken-IMs from him where he was calling me every name in the book. (Dammit, he broke off with me, why is he so upset with his own decisions?)

This morning he seems more rational and accepting, but I am not certain if that is because of what I did. It could be, but the point is I feel a bit better. I believe that the New Moon probably played a role in his calming down and accepting the situation. I just hope he can feel wholly himself and deal with this properly.

I think I will learn more about Soul Retrieval, as it seems to be something that will be quite helpful with emotional issues. However, being a novice at SR, I am not certain what the best application and procedures are. I will read this thread carefully and see if I can find that title you mentioned, EmberLeo. I can see the importance, like most things in magick, to do things mindfully and skillfully.

I am hoping I didn't mess things up worse last night.

Thank you so much for the pointers.
 
 
EmberLeo
18:14 / 19.01.07
are folks making distinctions between soul pieces and energetic connections?

I'm absoloutely making a distinction in theory, but I'm aware that it's not necessarily an easy thing to tell in practice. I haven't any idea if the author is making that distinction. Some of the blanket statements she makes cause me to suspect that no, she isn't.

I suspect that similar methods to Soul Returning can be used to unplug your end of such a thing, and hand it back. I'm not quite so sure similar methods of Soul Retrieval can smoothly be used to accomplish that.

chunks of this energetic body being removed.

Now that is a distinction I'm even sure I'm making. I guess it depends on whether, having had a chunk of energy removed, the energy simply replenishes over time.

I've seen this with ex lovers as well that can't stay apart until their energetic strands are cut and grounded. In my experience the snap back releases a huge amount of emotion.

Ah, yeah. I have seen it as well, and I know people who have specific rituals for the cutting. The one thing I've seen that makes me go "buh?" is when the ritual described sounds like it would bind them more than it would divide them (e.g. have sex one last time). I've never done this myself, though. But then I tend to stay friends with my ex lovers, so maybe I haven't felt I needed to?

I've seen folks who get eachother's pain from non-sharable illnesses. One such woman was complaining about it to me when Freya just dropped in, and I just barely managed to keep from letting Her say that She could and would just rip ALL the connections right out of the woman. I did report it myself, though, and it understandibly caused the woman to backpedal. Then Freya just said "I didn't think so." and left again. I'm not sure, but I think She was trying to make the woman pay more attention to what she did and didn't want out of those connections, instead of always complaining, and pulling the pain, etc.

That kind of connection is a different problem, though I suspect it's a related one. I'm theorizing that folks who are incredibily hungry for that kind of connection may well unintentionally take chunks of soul in their fervor.

--Ember--
 
 
Unconditional Love
19:20 / 19.01.07
I can think of a few more ways to hand things back, burn a c.d of songs that express what your giving back, write poems, compose a song, write a story, paint a picture, sculpture, most art forms can be used to hand something over or take something back if it is rightfully yours (has to be just).

The giving has to be done selflessly as well when handing back, as giving often can set up the need for reciprocation.

There is an art to giving yourself away thou, allowing others to take everything you have, its a path to selflessness, but one that is hard to tread these days and is ultimately open to abuse by people that literally want your life, but it should be a conscious act of letting go of the self as opposed to self dismemberment caused by trauma or theft.
 
 
EmberLeo
20:29 / 19.01.07
I'm not sure, but I think the kind of "self" you're describing giving away isn't supposed to be the same "self" that Soul Retrieval is trying to re-acquire.

Actually, I think because we seem to have too few words to describe these different things, folks tend to swap the wrong pieces out, and get hurt.

I know I'm wrestling with exactly how to express Connection vs. the Giving Away that is Love vs. Keeping Soul, etc. etc. What are these different kinds of "Self" called?

--Ember--
 
  

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