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Coping with death

 
 
c0nstant
10:33 / 22.01.06
having recently suffered a loss, I'm curious about the effectiveness of coping mechanisms (repression etc.). Specifically I'm interesting in whether any coping mechanism can be considered objectively better than others and whether any mechanism could (or should) be considered dangerous or undesirable.

forgive the briefness of the initital post, my knowledge on the subject is extremely limited.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
16:20 / 22.01.06
c0ncept,

this is an important thread, thank you for it.

i don't think there is any objectively better method for anything.

each person reacts differently to each method.

I think sorrow needs to evolve to grief needs to evolve to acceptance.

how we get there is different for everyone. may solace find you along the way.

--not jack
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:16 / 22.01.06
I think "objectively" is our key here, and what we can take that to mean. For example, dealing with bereavement by taking up smoking again might be very unhealthy, but it migh tbe ultimately better than another path which refused thjis coping mechanism and led to meltdown. Unfortunately, having only one life to live, it's hard to balance outcomes.

"Whatever works works" is a familiar nostrum, but it has that awkward dual quality of being obviously true but almost entirely useless.
 
 
modern maenad
08:09 / 23.01.06
cOncept. I'm sorry to hear that you've recently been bereaved and I hope you have some support around you to help if things get tough. With regards to ways of coping, I'd definitely reiterate Not Jack in saying that people all have their own ways of dealing, and there is no 'textbook' 'good' response/coping mechanism. Its completely normal to feel anger, fear, guilt, hopelessness, resentment, despair, depression etc. In your initial post you invite discussion on whether certain ways of coping are better than others, but I'm a bit reluctant to go down that avenue as it can imply a value judgement - overall I'd say common sense is your best guide - and if you're at all concerned about yourself or someone else talk to someone you trust about it (Professional helplines can be useful if you'd rather not talk to friends/family). Bereavement counselling can also be a really good way to explore how you're feeling, and in the UK Cruse is a good place to start. I'd also agree with Haus that something like going back to smoking may be 'bad' in one way, though 'good' in the sense that it keeps a more harmfull behaviour at bay.

This being the Head Shop people may want to discuss the various theories regarding death, dying and bereavment, though I'm not sure if this is what you're suggesting in your opening comments?
 
 
Not in the Face
12:15 / 23.01.06
whether any mechanism could (or should) be considered dangerous or undesirable.

I suppose the least desirable mechanism would be one that with the outcome that left the person in a state of denial or continued inability to cope with the loss, particularly if they feel regret/guilt over issues unresolved.

Personally the best theory/description I have read regarding handling loss comes at the end of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance where the writer is describing the loss of his son. He likens the experience to a net or web of associations and ideas surrounding each of us and with our death the centre is suddenly absent - he chose the idea of a 'ghost' to express this sense of missing. For him this was only really handled by the arrival of his new daughter, which provided a new focus for a lot of those loose 'strands' that he felt.
 
 
c0nstant
03:48 / 24.01.06
This being the Head Shop people may want to discuss the various theories regarding death, dying and bereavment, though I'm not sure if this is what you're suggesting in your opening comments?

To clarify, the above outlines perfectly what I envisage the thread to be.
 
 
Olulabelle
11:16 / 26.01.06
According to a bereavement help leaflet I was given when my father died, people who lose their partner but were in a happy relationship deal most successfully with the grief and recover more quickly than those who were in unhappy or problematic relationships.

I suppose this is because there are less sad memories to dwell on and less wishing that things could have been different somehow.
 
 
elene
11:56 / 26.01.06
Could be, but it could also be it's the things that keep one in a bad relationship, one's own weaknesses and insecurities.
 
 
Persephone
09:46 / 27.01.06
That's interesting --when my mom was dying, my sisters & I would freak each other out with stories about people who had never gotten over their parents' deaths. I mean, my mom was central to our family & my lifelong biggest fear was her dying. But you know when she did die, there was this sense that she had completed her job (if that makes sense). I'm not saying that we were like Go, Mom. But we did all bounce back very quickly, I feel like I got off very easy in the grief sweepstakes.

It was similar with my dad, though my dad is a totally different narrative.

They were both stories that made sense to me, I guess is what I'm saying. So I vote for narrative therapy --which is what I always vote for, actually. Effective storytelling goes a long way.
 
 
alas
17:43 / 28.01.06
You could try reading Joan Didion's recent book The Year of Magical Thinking, which is her unsentimental reflection on losing her life-long partner, John Gregory Dunne, while, at the same time, her 40-yr old daughter was in and out of the hospital with pneumonia and septicemia and other complications. (Sadly, her daughter also died about two weeks after the book MS was sent to the publishers. Didion chose not to revise the book at all at that point, however, so for readers who are aware of that second death, it kind of hangs over the book, like a ghost.)

Here are some of her words:

"This is my attempt to make sense of the period that followed [her daughter's Christmas day illness and her husbands death a week later], weeks and then months that cut loose any fixed idea I had ever had about death, about illness, about probability and luck, about good fortune and bad, about marriage and children and memory, about grief, about the ways in which people do and do not deal with the fact that life ends, about the shallowness of sanity, about life itself. I have been a writer my entire life. As a writer, even as a child, long before what I wrote began to be published, I developed a sense that meaning itself was resident in the rhythms of words and sentences and paragraphs, a technique for withholding whatever it was I thought or believed behind an increasingly impenetrable polish. The way I write is who I am, or have become, yet this is a case in which I wish I had instead of words and their rhythms a cutting room, equipped with an Avid, a digital editing system on which I could touch a key and collapse the sequence of time, show you simultaneously all the frames of memory that come to me now, let you pick the takes, the marginally different expressions, the variant readings of the same lines. This is a case in which I need more than words to find the meaning. This is a case in which I need whatever it is I think or believe to be penetrable, if only for myself."
...

"Grief turns out to be a place none of us know until we reach it. We anticipate (we know) that someone close to us could die, but we do not look beyond the few days or weeks that immediately follow such an imagined death. We misconstrue the nature of even those few days or weeks. We might expect if the death is sudden to feel shock. We do not expect this shock to be obliterative, dislocating to both body and mind. We might expect that we will be prostrate, inconsolable, crazy with loss. We do not expect to be literally crazy, cool customers who believe that their husband is about to return and need his shoes. . . . Nor can we know ahead of the fact (and here lies the heart of the difference between grief as we imagine it and grief as it is) the unending absence that follows, the void, the very opposite of meaning, the relentless succession of moments during which we will confront the experience of meaninglessness itself."
...

Thinking of Persephone's words, I find Didion's emphasis on the relentlessly anti-narrative effect of grief, the way deep grief resists meaning, resists narration. I wonder, too, if the narratability of the grief is helped by some level of normalcy of sequence--we know our parents are likely to die before us; the death of a child can be absolutely devastating to people partly because it is so out of sequence of our expectations...

As one of the reviews puts it, Didion's book is more of a "case study" of mourning, than a how-to/ self help book, but I would think that hearing the voice of someone else who knows grief deeply and intimately might be companionable during one's own grieving.
 
 
werwolf
09:31 / 30.01.06
i'm thinking along the lines of what death might mean to an individual. for example, if somebody is mortaly (forgive the weak pun) afraid of death, then that person might find it difficult to cope with other people's death. and that might even be the case if that person were to use the most efficient and benign method of processing that situation. what i'm trying to say: whether you call it "narrative process" or "meaning" or "value" or whatever, the position you are in towards "death" as an abstract "unavoidable" in our human lives will determine a great deal of how "healthy" or "unhealthy" you will deal with the occurence of said "unavoidable" within your life.

i propose that all methods of coping with death that do not externalize the "problem" to such a degree that it will affect other people (directly or indirectly) are less preferable than others.

also i believe that viewing death as something that is seperate from life and living will be a big hurdle when trying to work out a "death dilemma". i believe that death should be an integral part of life and must mark its end, as opposed to death as an "entity" or "occurence" that disrupts life and is distinct from it.

@ c0ncept
my heartfelt condolences.
 
  
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