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What is your dangerous idea?

 
  

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Ganesh
10:11 / 06.01.06
Yeah, possibly. I suppose if 'culture' is expanded to mean 'things other than direct survival and child-rearing', that might just-about be accommodated within my dangerous idea.
 
 
lord henry strikes back
10:13 / 06.01.06
Wasn't same sex coupling encouraged in the Spartan army? The idea being that a warrior would not flee the field of battle and leave his lover behind.

Or did I dream that?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:22 / 06.01.06
You're probably thinkign specifically of the Theban sacred band, which helped Thebes to a degree of prominence in the 4th Century BC - the theory being that a man will fight harder and not abandon the line if doing so put his beloved in danger. However, Spartan society during its own period of eminence was if not institutionally homosexual certainly profoundly homosocial - all Spartan citizens (spartiates) spent large amounts of time in barracks together, very rarely saw their wives and generally behaved like they were in either the army or prison, both of which were in a sense true. You could see that as the state seeking to take advantage of the strategic advantages of man-love.
 
 
matthew.
12:45 / 08.01.06
Further upthread was discussion about science and religion. From another thread, I stumbled upon this website. Here's a quote from their "scientist".

"We all exist in the present—and the facts all exist in the present. When one is trying to understand how the evidence came about... what we are actually trying to do is to connect the past to the present.

[Christians] have a book called the Bible which claims to be the Word of God who has always been there, and has revealed to us the major events of the past about which we need to know.

On the basis of these events... we have a set of presuppositions to build a way of thinking which enables us to interpret the evidence of the present.

Evolutionists have certain beliefs about the past/present that they presuppose, e.g. no God (or at least none who performed acts of special creation), so they build a different way of thinking to interpret the evidence of the present.

Thus, when Christians and non-Christians argue about the evidence, in reality they are arguing about their interpretations based on their presuppositions.

These two people are arguing about the same evidence, but they are looking at the evidence through different glasses.

It’s not until these two people recognize the argument is really about the presuppositions they have to start with, that they will begin to deal with the foundational reasons for their different beliefs. A person will not interpret the evidence differently until they put on a different set of glasses—which means to change one’s presuppositions.

I’ve found that a Christian who understands these things can actually put on the evolutionist’s glasses (without accepting the presuppositions as true) and understand how they look at evidence. However, for a number of reasons, including spiritual ones, a non-Christian usually can’t put on the Christian’s glasses—unless they recognize the presuppositional nature of the battle and are thus beginning to question their own presuppositions."

So when Jack Fear says "that people of faith can understand the thinking of atheists far better than the other way around" - it seems that people of faith agree with this assertion.

On the other hand, Peter Shaftoe says that Jack Fear is "ignoring the very existence of significant numbers of Christian fundamentalists who are hostile to science".

I just thought I'd present this website as food for thought. Because really, evolution/creationism/intelligent design are not dangerous ideas until zealots (on both sides) get their hands on it. When somebody becomes rabid over an idea, any idea, that's when it's dangerous.
 
 
Ganesh
13:58 / 08.01.06
I don't think there's the same ratio of presupposition:evidence underpinning Christian belief as there is belief in evolutionary process (although it's not infrequently presented as such, in a 'two sides of the same coin' way).
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:16 / 08.01.06
Intelligent design is not itself a dangerous idea - it's just a mythical perception of the universe. The idea that children should be taught in school that it is an alternative as scientifically valid as evolution, with equal validity and support, is dangerous, as it potentially permanently damages the ability of those children to understand what is science and what is religion.
 
 
matthew.
23:06 / 08.01.06
Exactly, Haus. In fact, that article I linked says about the same but not quite. The writer of the above article says facts are nothing until there's intrepretation. So it's not the single meme of intelligent design that's dangerous, it's how and why you replicate that meme.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
23:09 / 08.01.06
A bit like Cinderella then. No danger there, unless neuroscientists start training frogs and mice to do surgery.
 
 
matthew.
23:15 / 08.01.06
To do surgery? Or simply carry them around from lab to lab while the scientist sits on a throne of skulls, whipping the mice and laughing, laughing at us simple folk. Wow. I took that joke pretty far.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:47 / 09.01.06
The terminology's quite clever, though, isn't it? "Intelligent Design" sounds like the sort of theory you wouldn't mind your kids being taught in school if you didn't know what it was, in a way that, say, "Creationism" wouldn't.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
16:37 / 09.01.06
I strongly moot that entheogen initiation should be a part of the national curriculum, and all drugs should be decriminalised. All of them.

Is that a 'dangerous' idea?
 
 
grant
16:48 / 09.01.06
Crucify him!
 
 
Axolotl
18:32 / 09.01.06
While the decriminalisation thing works, I don't really think entheogen initiation at schools is a good idea. I can't think of anything more likely to suck the joy out of the experience than making it complulsory and having it take place in a school. Plus the potential for paranoia and bad trips is just huge.
 
 
Ganesh
18:55 / 09.01.06
I quite like the idea of 'school trips'...
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:23 / 09.01.06
A Decepticon logo tattoo, but with a pair of horns added.

Glad to see I'm starting to become an example; now, tha's dangerous.

How come a thread about dangerous ideas became a discussion board about inteligent design and homosexuality: Another dangerous thought: what if God, in His/Her endless wisdom, inteligently design people to be gay? What about that?

Here's my dangerous idea: hide desguised LSD pills in children cereals and then insert subliminar messages of paranoia and civil rebelion in Saturday morning cartoon. We could turn the world in a Philip K. Dick nightmare. Heck, this is more than a dangerous idea, this is anthropological terrorism... [I want to remind everyone now that I'm just kidding...]
 
 
matthew.
20:49 / 09.01.06
Leave to Ganesh to make a perfect pun.
 
 
Spaniel
06:53 / 10.01.06
Plus the potential for paranoia and bad trips is just huge.

I suspect Money $hot would argue that paranoia and bad trips are a) far more likely to be the product of a culture that continues to treat drugs as a dangerous threat, and b) that by integrating entheogens into our way of life, not only will we lessen the chance of individual suffering a "bad trip" we will come to see bad trips as a *potentially* positive experience.

For the record, I happen to think exposing children to psychedelics on a compulsory basis is an awful idea.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:40 / 10.01.06
An awful idea, certainly... but you can't deny it's a dangerous one.
 
 
Spaniel
12:45 / 10.01.06
Nope, you're right there.
 
 
Char Aina
13:17 / 10.01.06
eh...
kids? kids are cunts.
does no one remember what it was like in school?
i think dosing kids as curricular activity would end up in a good few dead and injured weans.

colummbinemachinego, etc.
 
 
Spaniel
13:31 / 10.01.06
Toksik, you have seen this thread, haven't you?

Full of dangerous hateful ideas.
 
 
Char Aina
13:39 / 10.01.06
i dont just know that thread, i'm LIVING IT, baby!
ahem.
nah, i just remeber all sorts of fucked up shit, like being held down when i need the toilet until i pissed myself, or bing spat on by several older kids so i would either miss assembly or arrive covered in saliva, or being called gay, faggot, etc on a daily basis for having long hair, or, or , or...

those kids? on drugs?
not anywhere near my kids.

so thinking about it, yeah.
dangerous.
 
 
Spaniel
13:42 / 10.01.06
Admittedly, after my first trip I did want to dose everyone with acid.

I was fourteen.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:04 / 10.01.06
Did you wear a t-shirt which said 'SMART Es' and had a picture of a tube of Smarties, but with E tabs coming out of them?
 
 
Spaniel
14:20 / 10.01.06
T-shirts I have worn:

Land Raver
Groover
Smart Es
Mild Green Fairly Hip Kid

And many more.


Those were the days.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:22 / 10.01.06
What were the names of the Snap, Crackle & Pop analogues on the 'Rice Krisp-Es' one?
 
 
Spaniel
14:25 / 10.01.06
I really can't remember, but I'm sure I would've known once upon a time.

I'm trying to find some images on Google but it's proving difficult.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:29 / 16.01.06
I would restrict all forms of government all over the world to those under the age of fifty, raising the bar to sixty only when the elderly are routinely reaching the age of 120. At the moment policy is being dictated too much by those who won't be around to reap the consequences of their disastrous actions, if policy was dictated by those who will be around in forty or fifty years then we might have a chance.

Although James Lovelock reckons it's too late and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is 49.
 
  

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