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Char Aina
14:59 / 30.12.05
it has been useful in other fora to have a catch all thread for questions that dont deserve a thread of their own.

in the spirit of those other threads, this is intended to be a quick query nexus for film television and theatre. ask any question you want answered that you dont think would inspire a whole thread off responses but dont expect your every ask to get an answer.

(forgive me if this has been done before)



my question?
i have recently become a member of a mail order DVD rental service. i am working my way through the catalogue, adding things to the queue that i have always intended to see. their list isnt exhaustive, but it is fairly large and i figured now might be a good time to brush up on my marx.
the problem is that i know very little about the work of the marx brothers beyond the easily gleaned, and am therefore unsure which of their many films to start with.
so yeah. with which marx brothers movie would you recommend i begin my education? are there any to avoid? or anything to be aware of when selecting?
 
 
■
18:35 / 30.12.05
Big Store, probably the only one which holds up throughout, particularly in the "Sing While You Sell" song and dance number.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
21:02 / 30.12.05
Ok, for the zombie fans here: to my shame, I haven't seen 'Night of the Living Dead.' Now apparently the movie has lapsed into public domain, so archive.org has it available to download, which I have done. However, I haven't watched it yet, because I noticed that while it starts at what I assume is the beginning (car driving to graveyard) and ends with credits, the whole thing's just shy of 55 minutes long. Which seems a tad short. Is it? Would I be better off renting it instead?
 
 
Triplets
22:52 / 30.12.05
Er, just watch it for free? For fuck ache
 
 
doglikesparky
22:58 / 30.12.05
Imdb has it listed as being 96 minutes...
 
 
Shrug
00:06 / 31.12.05
Fun with Phobias: Try downloading it via an alternative source.
Here. or Here.
Both state a running time of 96mins. Other than that (?)
 
 
Shrug
00:19 / 31.12.05
Actually fuck both of those links. Membership of the website seem necessary for both.
 
 
eddie thirteen
03:51 / 31.12.05
If you're in the US, at least, you can probably buy a copy of Night for what it would cost to rent it. I don't own the "official" version (i.e., the one that Romero and company actually get paid for), but all the public domain versions I've seen seem to be at about the same level of quality (kinda low), and I don't think they differ at all in terms of missing/added scenes, etc.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
04:40 / 31.12.05
Er, just watch it for free? For fuck ache

Because I want to see the entire movie, not just 2/3 of it?

eddie, looks like you're right- used copies on Amazon seem to start at about a buck fifty. I'm still a little puzzled as to why the version on the Archive is so short, but whatever. I guess some mysteries are not for mankind to know.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:49 / 31.12.05
I'm something of a NOTLD geek... at last count I had five different releases, with three different prints. All clock in at just over 90 minutes. (And I intend to buy the new special edition soon).

Avoid at all costs the 30th Anniversary one- crap new soundtrack, but has appalling new beginning and end sequences which ruin the whole thing.
 
 
Krug
13:13 / 01.01.06
I was in your mindset/position a few years ago and while I enjoyed "Duck Soup" and "A Day at the Races" I did get my fill of the Marx Bros. I'm just a peeker and no expert but it's never too bad an idea to check out the popular comedy work before getting to what may be criminally underrated.
 
 
Shrug
16:32 / 01.01.06
Has anyone watched, the soon to be premiered on Sky One, Bones? It seems to be err on the right side of trash for me, any good?
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
17:17 / 01.01.06
Stoatie- thanks for the heads up, I will steer well clear of the 30th Anniversary edition.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
19:53 / 10.02.06
Okay, new question: my sister's a huge Buffy fan. (I believe at one point she had the entire series on VHS but the tapes have since been demagnetized or something; they don't work, in any case.) She's asked for the series on DVD, and she has a birthday coming up next month. I've only seen a bit of the series, so: if I were to get her one season, which would people recommend? Should I start at the beginning, or are later seasons better (from what I've read, the latter is the case)? I'm going to try to find out from her which season is her favorite but I'm not sure how to do that without giving things away, since Buffy isn't exactly a normal conversation topic between us. It might just come down to cost but it'd be nice to have some idea of what to look for/seasons to avoid. Thanks a bunch.
 
 
X-Himy
00:21 / 11.02.06
Best Marx Brothers movie is generally agreed to be Duck Soup. Take that as you will. I've only seen a couple Marx Brothers, and Duck Soup is my favorite, a very pithy political satire. And funny as hell.

Since lapsing into public domain, some guys took Night of the Living Dead and redubbed it with hilarious new dialogue, and sometimes new footage. I can't remember the name of this release, but is humorous as all get out.
 
 
matthew.
03:04 / 11.02.06
Some movies featuring all the Marx brothers (the performing ones, at least):

-Animal Crackers: Decent. They hadn't quite got it down yet.

-Duck Soup: My second favorite. In this, Groucho becomes prez of a small country called Freedonia: mayhem ensues. It has this ten minute long bit about two hats and some peanuts with no dialogue. Great.

-Horse Feathers: where the codeword Swordfish comes from. My absolute favourite. Harpo plays the harp beautifully to the tune of "Everyone says I Love You" (which inspired the Woody Allen movie of the same name).

-Monkey Business: Not my favorite. That's all I'm going to say.

If you're going to watch the Marx Brothers movies, don't expect any plot, don't expect any characters, and don't expect any sense. It's literally just a bunch of gags and puns strung together by a very loose story. But, the gags are terrific:
-"One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know."
-"I've a good mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it."
-"If you're insulted, you can leave in a taxi. If that's not fast enough, you can leave in a huff. If that's too fast, you can leave in a minute and a huff."
 
 
PatrickMM
07:05 / 11.02.06
In terms of Buffy, opinions vary, but if she's a big fan, she'd probably want the whole thing, so you couldn't go wrong starting with year one. While I think the later seasons are better, it's tough to just watch season five or six with no context. If you wanted to get someone to chip in with you, you could always grab the whole series, which is apparently sold out now, but you could probably find for around $130 if you're on the lookout.
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:48 / 24.03.06
At the start of Big Punisher's album Capital punishment, there's a sample from (I assume) some movie. Its a bunch of kids talking about who their favourite superhero is, and one very adamant kid insisting the Punisher would take them all out. One kid suggests the X-Men, and the Punisher fan tells him 'X-Men is baby stuff'. Does anyone know what this is from?
 
 
PatrickMM
04:42 / 25.03.06
Does anyone know why Steven Soderbergh uses an alias (Peter Andrews) when he's his own cinematographer, and also an alias as his own editor. Is this some union regulation or is just Steven trying to be modest?
 
 
Shrug
20:30 / 06.05.06
Could anyone help me out by explaining the differences between tragedy and trauerspiel?
 
 
Spaniel
20:43 / 06.05.06
Do you mean Bürgerliches Trauerspiel?

Wikipedia is a friend to us all.
 
 
Jack Fear
20:53 / 06.05.06
Well, trauerspiel literally just means "tragedy." But when an English-speaking critic uses the word, I think it's shorthand for Bürgerliches Trauerspiel —literally "bourgeois tragedy."

From theatre's origins in ancient Greece up through the late Renaissance, only the misfortunes of noblemen and royalty were considered as a fit subject for stage tragedy: the sufferings of the bourgeois, let alone the proletariat, were simply not considered, well, tragic enough (i.e., the bigger they are, the harder they fall).

In the 18th century, though, there arose a vogue for tragedies featuring middle-class protagonists (coinciding, not by accident, with the economic rise of the middle class itself).

So the difference between tragedy and trauerspiel is in the social class of the characters, AFAIK.
 
 
Jack Fear
20:54 / 06.05.06
Quick off the draw, Boboss. Nice one.
 
 
Spaniel
20:59 / 06.05.06
Well, I think it's nice to have an inthread explanation so I reckon we all WIN.
 
 
Shrug
19:01 / 07.05.06
Thanks very much. I encountered a definition of trauerspiel as "mourning play" and I wondered if it had a more distinct thematic trajectory than normal tragedy, hence the confusion.
I did find the wiki before but thought they might have been missing out on something (appreciate it though).
 
 
The Falcon
00:55 / 08.05.06
Jackie Susann - I think the film you're talking 'bout is Fresh; iirc, there was a kid in that who would bang on about the Punisher, and how awesome he was, alla the time. I really enjoyed it, some smart plotting - if it's the one I think it is. The main kid plays chess with Samuel L, perennially.
 
 
Shrug
16:57 / 05.06.06
Do you think that there's a specific structure to melodrama other than virtuous victim defeats victimiser(s)(and other such alliterative forumlae)? Surely, it has to be more complex than that?
 
 
Shrug
17:00 / 05.06.06
Melodrama of the Sirk or Brechtian nature rather than Falcon Crest/Knots Landing/Die Hard et al, btw.
 
 
Shrug
17:46 / 05.06.06
Also, does melodrama usually tend toward a tragic or non-tragic ending, in your own opinion?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:51 / 05.06.06
misfortunes of noblemen and royalty were considered as a fit subject for stage tragedy

See, I think they're great comedy material. 21st century guy, that's me.
 
 
PatrickMM
22:40 / 05.06.06
For me, the thing that makes something a melodrama is narrative agency. In a tragedy, a character ultimately fails because of their own flaws, the things they do that bring about their fate. In a melodrama, a character is usually locked into place by societal forces which prevent them from acting.

As a case example, look at something like Far From Heaven. Cathy is in love with Raymond, but can never be with him because she's married and they are racially different, so a relationship is verboten in the world they live in. There is no resolution of their problem that would feel emotionally real. If a melodrama does have a happy ending, it usually feels out of place, because the whole point of the story is to construct a situation in which the characters have no outs.
 
 
Shrug
22:23 / 29.07.06
Having just watched Suspiria can someone tell me what the title means?
 
 
Lugue
01:25 / 30.07.06
Dunno what the word itself means, but in Portuguese, "suspirar" is to sigh, and I'm guessing that's essentially the meaning of the word. For it's precise meaning, well, just hope someone who knows Latin drops by.

From Wikipedia:

The title Suspiria and the general concept of the "Three Mothers" came from Thomas De Quincey's sequel to his Confessions of an English Opium Eater, Suspiria De Profundis. There is a section in Suspiria De Profundis entitled "Levana and Our Ladies of Sorrow." The piece asserts that just as there are three Fates, and three Graces, there are three Sorrows: "Mater Lachrymarum, Our Lady of Tears," "Mater Suspiriorum, Our Lady of Sighs," and "Mater Tenebrarum, Our Lady of Darkness."
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:52 / 30.07.06
Says here it's to breathe, or to sigh.

I'd always thought it meant "breath", but can't remember who told me that. So somewhere thereabouts then.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:12 / 30.07.06
Melodrama of the Sirk or Brechtian nature rather than Falcon Crest/Knots Landing/Die Hard et al, btw.

This isn't really an answer, but I would have thought Sirkian and Brechtian drama (I wouldn't have called the latter "melodrama" ~ but perhaps others did, have, or would?) are many leagues apart.
 
  

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