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Milligan's X-Men

 
  

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Mr Tricks
20:54 / 02.12.05
So, am I the only one who's still picking up this Series?

Milligan seems to be the best suited to handle the reaction and "drama" of certain mutants' loss of their abilities. His treatment of Polaris is just getting better and better and with the current continuity siege of the X-mansion it's just bringing out the "best" in all of these characters.

Also... there's a Mysterious green blob hurtling towards earth from outer space. I wonder who..er, what that might be.
 
 
Benny the Ball
21:09 / 02.12.05
Got 177 and have 178 ordered - Milligan has started to get into his swing, but it still seems to suffer from the odd moment of being dragged back by editorial or MU ideas. I still think that Alex is great though.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:42 / 02.12.05
Actually, if there's anything that's become clear in the past few issues, it's that he's finally getting to cut loose BECAUSE of Decimation. Everything that came before was obviously Milligan in a holding pattern getting issues out of the way before the Big Event happened and he could actually DO something. Case in point - he gets to drop a major plot point for the Decimation storyline in 178, and he gets to be the guy to bring back Apocalypse.
 
 
Spaniel
23:14 / 02.12.05
Flux, is this book actually any good?
 
 
This Sunday
23:52 / 02.12.05
What is it, for those who aren't digging Milligan's run here, that isn't working for folks? The art's pretty shot on a consistent basis, but I mean, it's telling the story, at least, so it's better than Bart Sears or something. And the story, the little character bits and the fact that the big world-shaking stuff is actually being responded to by human beings as, y'know, world-shaking instead of just shoving another bomb in Cyclops' chest. That Mystique stuff was lovely, it was. Is it me, or was she gunning for Rogue as much as Gambit with that cheesey oversexxed foxx-business? Lorna and Bobby are terminally fucked and very, very pathetic, but earnest.
There's a definite David Lynch styled layer of disconnect to the whole thing, with all actual emotions and virulence sublimated so it's all shiny plastic on the surface; all gorgeously desperate and unhealthy.
I love that certain things are built up as something characters are having to - as people - work through, and then the whole world goes nuts for a fortnight, and in the aftermath, your whole situation's shifted and everything you were building towards, all the problems you thought you'd sorted, are for nought. Whole new bag of dark shit for you to work through.
 
 
Spaniel
23:55 / 02.12.05
Decresent, I dropped the book after the first episode, which was hideously rendered. IMO, bad art spoils good books. Do you think this book transcends the art?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
23:59 / 02.12.05
It's been really good lately! The first two story arcs were mediocre with a few nice Milligan moments sprinkled about, but this last issue was probably the most enjoyable issue of X-Men since Morrison left, and the second issue of the Black Panther crossover was probably the most bizarre issue of the X-Men ever published.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
00:00 / 03.12.05
As for the art, I'm not a big fan of Larocca, but I don't dislike his work. It's perfectly readable, and sometimes has a nice charm to it. I appreciate that he draws every single issue and never needs a fill-in artist.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
00:04 / 03.12.05
Also, if you hadn't noticed, Milligan's X-Men actually became the flagship title after Decimation! Astonishing is on break and otherwise in the middle of its own storyarc, and Uncanny is going off on a Rachel tangent, so Milligan gets to be the guy pushing the continuity forward!
 
 
Spaniel
00:09 / 03.12.05
Flux, I need to ask you, do you think that Larroca's early work on this book was servicable, because I don't? I'm sure we have a thread listing the complaints somewhere around these parts.

That said, I really want to like this run.
 
 
Spaniel
00:10 / 03.12.05
I also want Millgan to be pushing X continuity for the next howeverlong.
 
 
Spaniel
00:11 / 03.12.05
Theoretically
 
 
This Sunday
00:52 / 03.12.05
The art has been communicative in the sense that images flow in a narratively-comprehensible manner. The story gets told.
The actual images... the reveal of Mystique as Foxx was horrible and missed the point of the reveal, as had been built up on dialogue. She got better, after that, but the initial reveal was detrimental.
Some of the atmospherics in the first arc actually did work for me, but I think that was the color more than the pencils.
Do I think it'd be loads better with, oh, Jill Thompson or Lea Hernandez handling the art? Yes. Is everything cool about the book killed by deformed midget sexbomb reveals and a generally poor sense of composition? No, and not nearly enough to turn me off. Actually, the rigidity and sloppiness of the art actually highlights the disconnected nature between appearance and the subtextual, suppressed business.
 
 
Benny the Ball
08:33 / 03.12.05
The art is still pretty annoying, but has improved a lot since the first story arc. The characters are getting into more of a flow now, and Milligan seems to be enjoying himself a little more.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
13:28 / 03.12.05
So what's this green blob deal? Karoka? Doop?
 
 
Aertho
13:57 / 03.12.05
The latter.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:16 / 03.12.05
Matthew Fluxington and he gets to be the guy to bring back Apocalypse.

Oh good, because if there's something that's going to ensure good quality stories, it's bringing back another villain from the dead that the X-Men have managed to beat, many, many times.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:34 / 03.12.05
At least with Apocalypse, the fact that he KEEPS. COMING. BACK. is part of the character concept, not unlike Phoenix.

I don't think Larocca has changed all that much, but it's clear when he's rushing, and most of the time, that's what he's doing. He hasn't had a fill-in artist since X-Treme X-Men began, and he's been doing more than one comic per month throughout that run. You can tell that he's drawing specifically for the colorist now - there's fewer and fewer lines on the page, making the art resemble animation art more than comics. I appreciate that.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:30 / 28.12.05
Doop. Is. Coming.

Just seeing Doop on upcoming preview covers for this book makes me happy.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:17 / 29.12.05
Hang on, I didn't see this last time: How exactly is it part of Apocalypse's character that he keeps coming back? If he changed his name to Jesus Christ Guy that would make sense, but he's not what causes apocalypses, indeed wasn't he in suspended animation for a few centuries before he woke up to fight X-Factor?
 
 
The Falcon
12:22 / 29.12.05
'poc regenerates and shit and is practically imposs to kill, if my x-lore is what it used to be.
 
 
Aertho
13:36 / 29.12.05
I've no idea what his original mutation was, but he was superstrong, had a weird face, and shot forcebolts from his hands. He also was an immortal and bored easily. So he ventured to the Himalayas, where the Celestials put their baby thermometer. He tunneled his way into the structure, and was "changed".

I'm not sure if this is a marvel mythology q, but Apocalypse's adventures in the ancient past link the Technarchy/Phalanx and techno-organic virii to the Celestials.

Once infected, Apocalypse became ridiculously powerful, exhibited shapeshifting powers and other such fun. But instead of "eating" other infected materia, he burned through his bodies, requiring "hosts" and periods of regeneration.

Is that all correct?
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
03:03 / 30.12.05
Poccy has complete control over his body at the mocular level... or so I seem to recall. Thus, shape-shifting, strength, regeneration, not passing gas... all within his range of blue-lipped power.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:59 / 30.12.05
From now on, I will call Apocalypse "Poccy".
 
 
Quimper
17:54 / 30.12.05
A fine nomenclature, yes. My favorite was the entity born from Cyclops merge with Poccy, which begat both "cyclopalypse" and "apocyclops"
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:10 / 30.12.05
#180 was great - all the little bits of interaction with Lorna and Alex were nicely done and very Milligan. I wish more people would acknowledge how much Milligan is ruling lately, but I guess that for whatever reason, there's just not a lot of people who get really excited about him.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:58 / 30.12.05
interesting change of pace, artisticly.

very enjoyable character driven storyline... sort of reminded me of those "character" issues I'd skim in the store durring Lobdel's tenure.

I'm wondering if that's men't to be what's-his-face there in the end. Seems as though he's been working out or something.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:00 / 30.12.05
A relation, I suspect.

I dunno, Flux, I skipped/skimmed the last three issues and didn't feel like I missed anything. All that Sential Squad stuff dragged like hell, and the only exciting bits were the foreshadowing for Doopocalypse that you can infer later. Milligan's X-Men is fun, but it hardly feels essential - that may change very soon, though.

Poor Gazer.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:04 / 30.12.05
Sorry, to clarify, I skipped the last three issues before this and came back on board for this one. The art is looking better, that much must be said.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:03 / 31.12.05
Roger Cruz is just the fill-in for this and (I think) the next issue - Salvador Larocca did 20+ (30+?) issues in a row and deserved a little break.

I think that if you're coming to Milligan's X-Men expecting all kinds of huge stuff to go down or some kind of radical reimagining of the franchise, you're going to be really disappointed. But it's really just at a halfway point between Lobdell-ish X-Men soap opera and a place for Milligan to go on with his pet interests and sense of humor, then it totally works. It's definitely the best of the current regular X-Men series. Astonishing X-Men is well below Whedon's capabilities, and Uncanny X-Men is written by Chris Claremont. Ed Brubaker's Deadly Genesis is enjoyable, but pretty bland.

Also, c'mon, look at the state of the characters that Milligan has before he came on the title - he's managed to make LORNA DANE an interesting and sympathetic character! He's made Havok seem like a person for the first time since 1989!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:07 / 31.12.05
Also, as wonderful as Our Lord Grant is, he never had it in him to do anything as gloriously insane and thrill-powered as X-Men #176 while he was on the series.
 
 
Spaniel
16:05 / 31.12.05
So, am I right in assuming this comic is now, in fact, coherent? The first two issues were so shambolic I gave up entirely, but I'm liking the possibility of picking up a trade.
 
 
Benny the Ball
08:06 / 07.01.06
Boboss, it is a lot better, moving in a direction definitely. The art, for a fill in, is so much better than Larroca's. I just wish that Larroca would work on his sequential style, as that seems to be the main problem, making the reading a bit harder, and his art less fluid.
 
 
Spaniel
10:39 / 07.01.06
Might pick this up then.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:19 / 18.01.06
Mmmmm, I've just had some spoilery Horseman of Apocalypse goodness!

Who wants a portion?
 
  

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