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Outcome measures in magic

 
  

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Chiropteran
18:32 / 28.11.05
(Something that hasn't gotten a lot of play upthread is practical sorcery -- rereading the thread, this isn't quite true, sorry...)
 
 
Ganesh
18:38 / 28.11.05
Oops, sorry. My ignorance is showing. Anything you think is applicable is fine by me.

No probs, lots of psychiatrists do do psychotherapy as a special interest.

Day-to-day bread-and-butter psychiatry does include outcome measures - or, at least, a built-in system of reviewing progress (not least because there's always pressure on the services, and it's important to keep reviewing the need for psychiatric input itself). In most cases, this means three to six monthly meetings of everyone involved in the treatment (pshrink, patient, relatives, friends, CPN, social worker, psychologist, advocate, anyone the patient wants along) where we review things like psychological well-being, physical health, social functioning, etc., etc. In some cases, this includes standardised questionnaires.

With some chronically ill people (long-term schizophrenic folk, for example), the process is open-ended. With others, there's a stated aim at the outset eg. 'eliminate x troubling symptom', with periodic review of how we're doing in achieving that aim.
 
 
electric monk
19:17 / 28.11.05
Thanks for that. I imagine that's fairly comparable to evaluations done by magical groups on their newbies.

To gauge whether or not a particular (major) working is/will be a success, I was taught the general guideline of "threes": watch for signs (dreams, synchronicity) within three days, "movement" (things starting to happen) within three weeks, and final result/resolution within three months -- and if you haven't achieved what you worked for in that time, then any future events are unlikely to be a result of your work. In practice, I've never had to wait three months: usually it's within a week or not at all.

And thanks for that, Lep. I'd never heard that before, and will definitely put it to use now. I do have a question for you about this tho. Will PM you, if that's okay.
 
 
Chiropteran
19:19 / 28.11.05
(Will PM you, if that's okay. -- Sure, fire away.)
 
 
LVX23
19:42 / 28.11.05
Presumably you carry out magical experiments, yes? By definition, an experiment aims to test, or at least explore, a theory or hypothesis.

I don't usually pursue it this way (as others have noted upstream in this thread). I'm not so much into the results other than how my own relationship to the dynamics of existence are nourished and healed. On the psychotherapy note, magick is in large part for me about becoming a better person. Happier, healthier, fitter, more compassionate, more successful - all of the ideals often accorded to saints, heroes, deities, and other mythic creations.

The other side of my magick is devotional. Most of my rituals involve feeding love and compassion to the creative web of humanity. Basically trying to encourage healing and communion on a larger scale than my own local self; to empower Nature as a beautiful and necessary force of human endeavor. Results in this context are fleeting at best, delusional at worst. For me it's about tending and feeding the currents. If I give enough and encourage others to give enough, then the flame will continue to burn, hopefully a little bit more brightly each day. Perhaps in a hundred or a thousand years we'll be closer to some sustainable relationship with ourselves and our planet.
 
 
The Falcon
20:12 / 28.11.05
N.B. I hadn't read Lepidopteran's post there when I posted below it.
 
  

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