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YOUR MY GEETAR HERO!!!

 
  

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Jack Fear
10:08 / 23.11.05
Oh, you kids today with your cut-ups and your musique concrete... Why, when I were a lad, if'n ye were gonna go to all the trouble of dropping a rock-guitar solo into the middle of a song, ye'd go the extra mile and try to at least make it sound like the guitarist was on the same planet as the rest of the band—maybe even in the same room—instead of a fuck-off blatant overdub shoehorned in eight months after the basic tracks in one take with no headphones, your idle ten-finger exercises distracted by the mountain of blow piled in the control room where ye can just see it out of the corner of your eye. We cared about craftsmanship more than marquee value, in them days. People laughed more. There were still bluebirds in the spring, and nobody bothered to lock their doors. Well, that's "progress" for you, I suppose.
 
 
Seth
11:07 / 23.11.05
Mr Fear... I trust Mr Jackson's judgement more than I do yours. He's earned it.

Even when it comes to children.
 
 
grant
16:17 / 23.11.05
It's not what Hendrix would be doing today as much as what Hendrix would have done in 1971 that interests me.

In part because of something related to this:
Mr. Fear: , ye'd go the extra mile and try to at least make it sound like the guitarist was on the same planet as the rest of the band—maybe even in the same room—instead of a fuck-off blatant overdub shoehorned in eight months after the basic tracks in one take with no headphones

I have a weird Hendrix album.

It's outtakes, never meant for public consumption, of the material he recorded when he was in Little Richard's backup band.

Before the Experience, he was playing solos for songs like "Lucille" and "Tutti Frutti."

The funny thing is, on a few of the tracks, you can still tell. He's gotten his delay and wah-wah pedals already, and he's already half out of his mind. I know that he was in the same room as the other musicians -- they were probably recording live, actually, since a few of the tracks don't have vocals (which would have been done as overdubs) -- but he sounds like he's on Mars or something. It doesn't really work as music, but it also illustrates that it's possible to sound like you're being dubbed in when in fact you're just alienated in a world of guitar wankery.

He got better a couple years later.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:52 / 23.11.05
That sounds dodgy to me, Grant. There are all sorts of posthumous Hendrix records of dubious authenticity, and that... well, it sounds pretty damned dubious.

For one thing, the wah-wah pedal wasn't invented until 1967—at least, it wasn't available for mass-market consumption (and remember, Jimi wasn't really one for custom gear—his Strats were all factory-standard, right out of the box). Wah-wah doesn't show up on the "official" recordings until the third and final Experience album, Electric Ladyland, in 1968.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
17:28 / 23.11.05
ANDY GILL. ANDY_FUCKING_GILL. No fucking around here, just pure, concentrated violence inflicted on the strings. Like he's beating a small child, as someone once said. Great solid, irregular planks of sound blasting out over Allen's rock-solid bass. And then that intro to Love Like Anthrax: the feedback singing to you as he's gently scraping the strings - those throbbing, atonal, gritty, undulating sounds becoming that trademark spark and hack, making it all sing.

(Christ, hyperbole apparently makes me into Warren Ellis. Fuck. Stopping now.)
 
 
grant
03:49 / 24.11.05
That sounds dodgy to me, Grant. There are all sorts of posthumous Hendrix records of dubious authenticity, and that... well, it sounds pretty damned dubious.

It may be, but it's kind of crappy enough that it seems OK to me, if that makes sense. A faked up thing would sound better.

Lemme dig it up.

Put out by Pickwick (all selections previously released by Ala Records), liner notes by Aaron Fuchs who claims it was recorded as part of a Little Richard comeback bid in 1964-65. Don "Sugarcane" Harris has a "funk-drenched" electric violin solo.

It could be that I was simply hearing a tremolo and thought it was a wah.

Does Google say more?

Not much here. And this "Friends from the beginning" seems to be a different album with really similar cover art. Tracklisting is non-identical.

Nice history of the Chitlin' Circuit here, where it talks about him recording with the Isley Brothers and Booker T and the MGs in '64... and the guitar god speaks: "I had these dreams that something was gonna happen seeing the number 1966 in my sleep, so I was just passing time til then. I wanted my own scene, making my music, not playing the same riffs. Like once with Little Richard, me and another guy got fancy shirts cause we were tired of wearing the same uniform. Richard called a meeting. "I am Little Richard, I am Little Richard, he said, the King, the King of Rock and Rhythm, I am the only one allowed to be pretty! Take off those shirts!" Man, it was all like that. Bad pay, lousy living, and getting burned."

Apparently, he kept breaking up with Little Richard and rejoining him through '65.

This Amazon review of a DVD biography from 1973 has a nice(-ish) tribute from Little Richard:
"At times he made my big toes shoot up into my boot."

And this collector/review site's warning kinda makes me think that I've got what I think I've got -- a weird recording of Hendrix as the nutty guitarist in a backup band. I think he takes two solos on the whole record. Although they don't like that other album listed above (Friends from the beginning).
 
 
A
12:20 / 24.11.05
Johnny Ramone. The sound coming out his guitar was this pure straight line of white noise a mile high that sounded like a fucking symphony. The Ramones are the key link in the chain of "punk rock" where everybody with a brain who heard them suddenly realised "fuck that classically trained showoff guitar wanker bullshit; I can do this", and they did, yet paradoxically, NO ONE can play guitar like Johnny Ramone. His right hand moved faster than a hummingbird's wings. The Ramones liberated rock'n'roll from blues-based bar-band boogie and made it the force of nature it was always threatening to be, and this was largely to do with the way that grumpy bastard played the guitar.

Then we have Ricky Wilson of the B-52's, a gay dude with four strings on his guitar who managed to combine pretty much everything that was awesome about rock'n'roll up to that point (the Ventures, the Ramones, Devo, all manner of other stuff), into this awesome, inventive, off-kilter, totally pop sound that hasn't aged a day in a quarter of a century. People love to go on about the way Wire and Gang of Four experimented with rhythm and suchlike, but Ricky managed to be angular and experimental in a way that you hardly even notice at first, because it's such awesome catchy pop music. I rip his stuff off all the time without even realising.

I've had a few beers, and I'm kinda tired, so forgive me if I'm not being as articulate as I could be.

Has there been a single female guitarist mentioned yet? I forget, but Poison Ivy from the Cramps... good lord. Every note and/or chord she plays is so fucking cool, so sexy, it boggles the mind. She can play so laid-back and yet still sound like the epitome of rock'n'roll. Awesome.

I also want to rave about Blackie from Australia's awesome punk rockers the Hard-Ons, who is amazing, but it's getting late and I think I need a glass of water. Maybe later.
 
 
rizla mission
12:46 / 24.11.05
Right; I wrote this yesterday, and haven't had a chance to really edit or spell/fact check it, but, in no particular order, here goes;

Johnny Ramone

I get really fed up with people carrying on like “the great thing about the Ramones was that their music was so dumb and easy – learn one chord and start a band man” etc. etc. So let it be said once more; playing the guitar with the same velocity and consistency as Johnny Ramone is REALLY FUCKING HARD. Many have tried, but few have actually had the stamina and single-mindedness to achieve that totally relentless downstroke assault. It’s so fantastically ARTLESS – he plays the guitar like he’s driving a bulldozer – “alright lads, let’s knock this bloody wall down and we can all go home for tea!” That churning fuzz just goes straight to my head every time – amazing.

Neil Young

All the musos and guitar magazine people seem to have a problem with Neil Young – there seems to be a belief that he can’t play properly and he plays bum notes and he’s just fakin’ it etc. etc. What the hell is up with those people I can’t possibly begin to imagine. Just stick on any of the records he’s make with Crazy Horse – if that’s not playing the guitar “properly” then FUCK playing the guitar “properly”. Neil Young can’t play the guitar the same way Picasso can’t paint. He’s perhaps the only guy in the world who can jam around playing variations on the same solo in a standard rock vein for 15 minutes and keep me utterly spellbound throughout. Just as much so as the melodies he writes and the way he sings them, when he’s on form it’s as if he’s tapping a direct line to some infinite motherlode of harmonic beauty and transforming it into raging, shambolic rock n’ roll.

Richard Thompson

Jack Fear speaks the truth on this one. He’s never really capitalised on it by gratuitously showing off or building a cool-guitar-god persona for himself, but Mr. Thompson is one of the most startlingly talented and innovative guitarists around. I remember seeing a clip of an early Fairport Convention TV appearance – I don’t recall which song they were doing – where the camera zooms in on Richard, who’s modestly standing at the back, and he casually knocks out this quick little 15/20 second solo which is absolutely mind-boggling, like some kind of deranged raga/blues type mutation the like of which I’ve never heard before or since, then he gives a little smirk, the camera zooms out and the band goes back into the song. An exercise he’s repeated in various forms throughout his career.

John Fahey

Well SOMEONE’S got to mention John Fahey, so it may as well be me. It would take somebody a lot more eloquent than me a lot more words than I can spare to really get to grips with the myriad reasons why John Fahey was as great as he was, but beyond his ingenuity in terms of the forms and traditions he mixed and integrated, beyond his hypnotic virtuosity and musical ambition, beyond his role as the sole well-spring for record collections full of exciting contemporary musicians…… basically, just kick back for a few minutes everyday and LISTEN to the guy, and you shouldn’t need an explanation of why he’s “great” any more than I need an explanation of why John Coltrane or Nina Simone are “great”.

Tony Iommi

The Riff-Master General. The guy who, without even knowing what he was doing, dragged the corpse of the whole blues/rock guitar tradition to it’s bleak, logical conclusion, tore out it’s heart, opened a portal to an endless black void of mystical, howling adolescent nihilism, and stepped straight through. Like the black magicians of old with their circles and swords, his Orange amplifiers unleashed primeval forces he couldn’t begin to comprehend, much less control, and embedded a piece of them in the soul of every lonely, frustrated teenager in the Western world. Survey the Metal section of your local record shop and the kids browsing there, and see what he hath wrought. Or just listen to ‘Master of Reality’ at maximum volume through your headphones and feel your existence as a citizen of the modern world peel away under the assault of primal consciousness.

Lydia Lunch

For her guitar in Teenage Jesus & the Jerks. In a strange, indirect kind of way, the screaming, satanic girl-child of the ‘Sabbath generation. Hysterically uncontrollable feral teenage angst and abuse victim misanthropy channelled directly into howling, atonal, sadistic, no-chord slide guitar. Even after nearly three decades of subsequent noise-rock, still one of the mostly shockingly violent and unrestrained things you’ll ever hear.

Kawabata Makoto

In the nicest possible way, this guy’s kind of like a funnel; every imaginable form of pre-existing loud, crazy music pours in, and a vast, endless mass of wild mutations of it all flows out, condensed and amped up to the point of utter mind-flaying cosmic oblivion. And no fucking shortage of it either. I think his daily routine must be; get up. Turn on tape recorder. Play guitar until he collapses in exhaustion. Repeat. Electric Warrior!

Akata

Put simply, I think this guy sounds like the future of electric guitar-playing in much the same way Jimi Hendrix must have done in the ‘60s. Before I saw Melt Banana live I thought they were doing half this stuff with samples and turntables.

Lou Reed

For his stuff in the Velvet Underground obviously. I still don't know what the hell all that ‘Ostrich neck guitar’ is supposed to be about, but it seems to have led straight to the bloody root of exhilarating avant-skronk electric guitar. You know the bits I’m talking about here; ‘Heroin’, ‘Run Run Run’, ‘The Gift’, and it’s absolute pinnacle on ‘I Heard Her Call my Name’…… aaaarrrggh, it sounds like he’s taking on Albert Ayler with rock guitar moves and almost winning!!! And some of those lengthier live jams just melt down my brain and feed it back to me.... Unprecedented, feedback-spewing, strangulated free-jazz genius. So good I’ll even forgive him wasting the rest of his life as lame egomaniacal self-parody. And that’s not all; I mean, what about those fucking MONSTER guitar-drones on ‘Venus in Furs’ and ‘All Tomorrow’s Parties’?!?! (I’m assuming those were Lou rather than Sterling); decades ahead of their time, and even the most wasted contemporary psychedelic ensembles would have to work hard to capture tones as effortlessly thrilling & evocative as those.

Sterling Morrison

Yeah, I like the VU a lot. The best rhythm guitarist of all time. His no-mind D chord chuggin’ never ceases to inspire me, maybe even more so than the twisted solos. “It’s that New York sub-way sound!”

PJ Harvey

Whoever was praising PJ’s resurrection of blues guitar earlier in this thread is spot-on. If we take the basic idea of blues guitar to be taking almost knuckleheadedly simple combinations of chords and notes and investing them with so much power and emotion that they’re transformed into raw, staggering emotion that knocks you sideways, then PJ’s got it. Anybody can play those same chords in that same order.. but they sound NOTHING like.. THAT.

(And by the way, I’m terribly embarrassed by the fact that there are only two women on my list so far, both of whom are chiefly notable for their primitive approach. I know I could rattle off a pretty lengthy list of fantastic female singers, songwriters, bass-players, drummers, noise-makers whatever…. but suspiciously few top ranking “what-the-hell-was-that-it-was-brilliant-wow!” style guitarists... What’s up with that?)

Kevin Shields

You know the score.

“Bugs” Henderson

This guy played lead guitar on "Maid of Sugar, Maid of Spice" by Mouse & the Traps, a great ‘60s psyche-punk stormer and a regional hit in Texas. To further propagate a rather appalling cliché, I don’t know what he was smoking at the time, but I’d sure like to get hold of some. It sounds like his guitar’s gobbled up too much sugar and gone bouncing on the trampoline.

Thuston Moore & Lee Ranaldo

Grant puts it very well above. Perhaps the key to Sonic Youth for me is that, when they try to play straight rock, they can get a bit dull. And when they launch into full-scale avant garde abstraction, they can get a bit self-indulgent. It’s within that knife-edge balance between the two that the magic lies. Order / Chaos. Mmm. Thuston’s percussive approach is also always a joy; if in doubt, give it a good whack! Or three.

Zoot Horn Rollo & Antennae Jimmy Semens

You all know Trout Mask Replica, right? And you’ve heard those demo/rehearsal tracks that prove that every second of apparent chaos on it was carefully planned out? And you’ve heard the Beefheart-wrote-every-note myth convincingly exploded right? Well then it’s probably time to ask ourselves…. where the hell were this guys getting this shit from?

Alex Chilton

Just for the way those guitars on those Big Star albums SOUND more than anything.. like GIANT guitars, played by GIANTS. Real Cosmic American Music. Death by Jangle. What a way to go.

Jack Rose

Shit, this guy is good. Declaring him the natural successor to John Fahey would seem kind of cheap, but it’s an unavoidable comparison. Definitely the most extraordinary player of the current solo acoustic guitar revival (also see Ben Chasny, Christina Carter, Glenn Jones, James Blackshaw et al.).

Bert Jansch, John Renbourne and Davy Graham

The holy trinity of shit-hot British folk revival joy. They’re big, clever and great, and they know they are, but in a typically British way, they’re kinda modest about it... and the results are SWEET. Watch those fingers fly!

Arto Lindsay

The unquestioned kind of high intensity, free improv, metal scraping post-punk skronk madness. A relatively obscure figure I guess, but very, VERY influential.

Tom & Christina Carter

Some of the electric guitar jams on Charalambides albums totally blow my mind. It’s something like what the Grateful Dead might have sounded like if they were actually as good as their fans seemed to think they were; beautiful, entwining meshes of psychedelic guitar, in love with the whole universe.

J. Mascis

King Dude! I saw this clip of him being interviewed on German TV once and it went a bit like; “WHAT IS THE REASON WHY DINOSAUR JR PLAYS SO LOUD?” “uh… ah, shit, I dunno, it’s like… uh, just being loud, y’know… like Motorhead..” “SO YOU ARE LOUD SO YOU CAN BE LIKE MOTORHEAD?” “Yeah, I mean, uh, no! I mean, uh.. oh, fuck it man..”.

Kerry King & Jeff Hanneman

Have you HEARD those solos on ‘Reign in Blood’? eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Margaret Garrett

From Mr. Airplane Man. If this world rewarded subtlety and cool as well as it does sound and fury, she’d be where Jack White is right now.

Barry Melton

An always spot-on guitarist in a laidback pot-smokin’ West Coast way, and much overlooked. An absolute master of playing sweet lead guitar throughout the duration of a song without getting in the way of the singer or the rhythm, as demonstrated on Country Joe & The Fish’s fantastic ‘Electric Music for the Mind & Body’.

Charley Patten, Mississippi Fred McDowell, Asie Peyton, R.L. Burnside et al.

A lifetime of listening to sloppy, lazy, standardised rip-offs had led me to believe for ages that whilst the original blues guitar styles were obviously massively important, they were basically pretty samey and formulaic. A couple of minutes of attentive listening to any of the above, plus many more, swiftly proves otherwise. Absolutely mad, incredible playing. It’s just the rhythm and the multi-layered noise they manage to generate as much as anything else.

It would be so great to be able to get Clapton and Jeff Beck and all of those losers in a room and play them some of these records and say "Go on – do THAT. I dare ya. And furthermore, do it on the cheapest guitar in the shop with second-hand strings and a broken beer bottle." And then laugh at them as they flounder around.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
14:18 / 24.11.05
Rizla - I meant to bring up Neil Young and Lou Reed. There's a live version of What Goes On on the VU box-set (Peel Slowly And See), and the solos just completely rock your face off. And Neil Young's spell-binding two-not, 15-minute solos...well, wow...I think Live Rust has some excellent examples thereof.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
14:33 / 24.11.05
Riz, you have raised the game...
 
 
illmatic
16:05 / 24.11.05
I;ve hardly listened to any music for the last month.(Weirdly, I've been thinking significantly more about food). Riz, you may have just changed that.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:14 / 24.11.05
Do you think Tom would mind if we just gave Rizla the whole Music forum as a Christmas present? He's certainly earned it.
 
 
grant
01:55 / 25.11.05
1. I want to move in with Adam. I'm packed up, actually, and I'm sure the family will understand.

2. Riz owns Music Forum.

3. However: I mean, what about those fucking MONSTER guitar-drones on ‘Venus in Furs’ and ‘All Tomorrow’s Parties’?!?! (I’m assuming those were Lou rather than Sterling)

Those drones, I've read, were Sterling Morrison... on viola. I think they're multitracked, too.
 
 
not-so-deadly netshade
03:25 / 25.11.05
Re: Riz and Adam on J. Ramone.

Thank you so much. I may copy and paste that and e-mail it to every finger exercising, guitar shop haunting, J. Page worshiping, wanker in the major metropolitan area.
 
 
A
06:23 / 25.11.05
Netshade- paste away

Grant- i'll clean out the spare room
 
 
Jack Fear
14:49 / 25.11.05
Velvet Underground trivia for Rizla (and anyone else who cares to know): The Lou Reed "ostrich guitar" credit has to do with his days as a staff songwriter at Pickwick Records. Lou created a faux dance-craze tune called "The Ostrich," and the future members of the VU met as session musicians thrown together to record the tune.

Lou had come up with the riff to "The Ostrich" by tuning all six strings on his guitar to the same note, and continued to use that technique on some of the early VU songs. You can hear it most clearly on "European Son": it's like a twelve-string gone berserk.

Grant: Surely the viola drones would've been John Cale, rather than Sterling Morrison?
 
 
rizla mission
15:14 / 25.11.05
I'm pretty sure I'm referring to the guitar bits in those songs. You know, the big, droning raga-influenced noise going on beneath the viola... but then it doesn't sound much like a conventional guitar, so I'm willing to be proved wrong.

I feel like a fool for never connecting "Ostrich neck" guitar with "The Ostrich". The one note thing could definitely provide a good explanation to "how the hell are they making that sound?".
 
 
The Timaximus, The!
18:01 / 25.11.05
Someone posted something about Keith Richards on Paint It Black? I thought that big main bit was Brian Jones on an electric sitar.

Has anybody ever heard Shannon Wright? I never really paid any attention to guitars until I saw her open for Sleater-Kinney once (also a rather cool guitar band, no?), and she just blew me away. I'm not a musician, so I don't really know how "good" she is, but she gets an awesome sound I've not really heard from anyone else.
Another lady who uses her guitar to make "cool weird sounds" is Mary Timony (of indie-prog band Helium and solo). Again, I'm not a musician, and my favorite drummer is probably Moe Tucker, so I don't really know what I'm talking about.

It was nice to see Richard Thompson and Ricky Wilson mentioned, though.
 
 
Brigade du jour
21:37 / 27.11.05
I nominate Ani DiFranco, for sounding like nobody else (that I've heard, anyway) and playing the guitar like it's an instrument of percussion.

Also Jimmy Page because not only does he make it all sound so effortless but he makes it look so effortless as well (ok, except when whipping out the violin bow).
 
 
grant
20:32 / 28.11.05
Cale on viola: Yes, I think it was, actually.

Googling around that yields this brilliantly guitar-wanky chart of altered tunings. Martin Carthy, the Velvet Underground and Nick Drake are all within a few lines of each other.

Oh, and according to this fun review, Cale didn't use normal viola strings, either. He used guitar and mandolin strings. I don't know why.
 
 
astrojax69
21:57 / 28.11.05
good upon you, not-so-deadly... glad someone else mentioned pete townshend. he was / is fantastic. his solo on the struthers brothers show doing 'my generation' was astounding for such a young artist! play it loud!!

i note no-one really seems to rate clapton, who is the archetypal guitar god. but of course, we all know that peter green was a far more gifted musician...

hendrix? yeah, well, stevie ray vaughan could outplay him, i rekkun. not that jimi isn't wholly and astoundingly brilliant. and of course, the master of the telecaster, albert collins (rip) was unparalleled. but srv was a rare jewel. what a tragedy that chopper crash - it shoulda been eric...

but i'd go over all for roy buchanan. man, that guitar wailed and cried and sang the dread soul of this sad genius, who turned down brian jones' gig in the stones "becuase he wouldn't be able to learn all the songs..." (that said, mick taylor was no slouch replacement!) but roy could pick and hack and soar and meander all in the space of a few bars. roy buchanan, the greatest guitar god evvaarrr! rip, roy. hanged hisself in a arkansas po-leece cell. so sad.


there are a plethora of great blues guitarists who could mix it with some of the guitar gods if they wanted to - freddie king, johnny winter the skinny albino texan freak 'yea-ah', stevie's big brother jimmy ray vaughan, mason ruffner [who?] and of course, mr buddy guy..!

and then there's jeff beck. and who could leave carlos santana off this list?? or...
 
 
Jack Fear
22:24 / 28.11.05
I dug Mason Ruffner's second disc GYPSY BLOOD big-time, back in the day. I can still play "Courage" note-for-note.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:53 / 28.11.05
And:

according to this fun review, Cale didn't use normal viola strings, either. He used guitar and mandolin strings. I don't know why.

Presumably Cale needed metal strings to work with the pickup system he was using: I think normal viola strings are gut, aren't they?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
06:05 / 29.11.05
For one thing, the wah-wah pedal wasn't invented until 1967—at least, it wasn't available for mass-market consumption (and remember, Jimi wasn't really one for custom gear—his Strats were all factory-standard, right out of the box).

Strats were not modified because they're pretty damn near perfect (as least mine is. I'm almost positive it was Apollo who pawned the thing), but he had at least one or two innovative, custom built (custom built because no company was making them) pedals by that time.

As far as heros-that-challenge-the-gods-themselves go, anyone who says Hendrix is not a champion is a fool or a liar.

And at the risk of sounding like someone who is way too into Stevie Ray Vaughan (again), I hold SRV up for nomination. Even though you can totally hear a massive Hendrix influence, he developed a style that people are still ripping off today. Also, he managed to improve on not one but two Hendrix tunes, which is pretty damn notable.

Has there been a single female guitarist mentioned yet? I forget, but Poison Ivy from the Cramps... good lord. Every note and/or chord she plays is so fucking cool, so sexy, it boggles the mind. She can play so laid-back and yet still sound like the epitome of rock'n'roll. Awesome.

Yes. I'm trying to re-create her tone. It's not going so well.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
06:09 / 29.11.05
Oh, and Albert King is a hero to me. Very economical, that guy. You try playing a solo with only four finger positions. See how far you get before it starts to sound repetitive and boring. He could do it for days.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
07:13 / 29.11.05
Jack and grant: FYI, Cale used mandolin and guitar strings because he downtuned his viola (I *think*). Well, I'm not sure which way he tuned it, but it was basically to get a drone out of it to match the downtuned guitars; it was something he picked up in his time with LaMonte Young's Dream Syndicate. I read this in Victor Bockris' biography of Lou Reed (which, incidentally, is a cracking book, if a little out of date by now); I can confirm the details later when I have the book in front of me, if you like.
 
 
HCE
06:42 / 01.12.05
I like Nick Drake (for the delicacy and elegance of both his music and his playing) and John Darnielle (for the passion with which he plays -- at every show I think he's going to eat his instrument). Dear big muscly rockists. Please nobody beat me up.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
07:38 / 01.12.05
STOMP HIM, BRETHEREN!
 
 
Jack Fear
09:48 / 01.12.05
Fie on you, Savage. Nick Drake's playing may have been delicate and elegant in effect, but c'mon, look at the guy:



Look at the hands. They're massive—and given how physically demanding his technique is (says the guy who's been trying to learn a few Nick Drake songs), massively strong. The guy must've had a grip like a python.

You really want to take on the broody scary intense guy with mitts like a strangler's? Take your boots off, son: there'll be no stomping tonight.
 
 
GogMickGog
10:30 / 01.12.05
(says the guy who's been trying to learn a few Nick Drake songs), massively strong. The guy must've had a grip like a python.

Good luck to you there chum: Drake's playing is astounding and his use of obscuro tunings makes him a bugger to copy. Nothing makes a pseudo-guitarist like me more humble than realising this by consecutively failing to play "3 hours" or "black eyed dog".
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:51 / 01.12.05
I know you're right. At least he's a Long Hair, eh?

His stuff is EVIL to learn, it's true. I have managed to get a (very) simplified version of "Black Eyed Dog" down, which I now use to impress girls. It works. Makes you look all soulful and haunted, y'see...they can't resist.

Has anyone mentioned Syd Barrett yet? I'm not a great fan of his solo work and tend to see him as a bit overrated generally but his electric playing on "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" is thrilling. Like Television, he hits that perfect balance of sounding like he doesn't know what he's doing for a couple of bars before pulling everything together at the last minute. Looked good too.
 
 
Chiropteran
12:01 / 01.12.05
(I think normal viola strings are gut, aren't they? -- Not for a good hundred years or more. They're usually wrapped metal strings now.)

I'm a little dismayed that Frank Zappa hasn't made anyone's list. If I was feeling a little more articulate, I'd try to explain just how wrong that is. Maybe I'll be back after coffee... Just remember: the Chicken and the Spider*.

(*son Dweezil's attempt to describe his father's idiosyncratic fingering and picking technique)
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
19:46 / 01.12.05
*snaps fingers* Johnny Winter! Johnny fuckin' Winter. Tatooed, cross-eyed, albino former heroin addict blues guitarist. Definately a guitar hero. To me, anyway.

Spidery fingers, and every bit as good a slide player as Duane Allman, with a totally different style. Amazing guitarist. Finally got to see him a few years ago, and he was so terrible (due to illness and age) it broke my heart. A master guitar player reduced to that. Ugh. I would much rather the show have been cancelled.
 
 
Are Being Stolen By Bandits
20:10 / 01.12.05
Someone posted something about Keith Richards on Paint It Black? I thought that big main bit was Brian Jones on an electric sitar.

It is. Which is why my comment referred to the rhythm guitar pattern underpinning the song instead, which is all Keef. What with this not being the "your my seetar hero!!!" thread, and all.

Sorry if that wasn't clear.
 
 
grant
16:13 / 02.12.05
YOU are the GUITAR GOD OF TOMORROW!
 
  

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