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lord nuneaton savage
14:57 / 18.11.05
Guitar heros (and, yeah, I appreciate that they all tend to be blokes. Please find exceptions) WHO IS THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL?

First off; Split vote. Tom Verlaine & Richard Lloyd (Television). How these two went from the almost embarrasing (although still great, in its own way) clunk and widdle of debut single "Little Johnny Jewel" to the great sliding glissandos of "Marquee Moon" in the space of less than a year is a minor ROCK miracle. The timing, the way they almost seem to end each other's sentences at some points. A truly magical combination of brains and sheer firepower. I have a 20 minute bootleg version of "Marquee Moon"'s title track that, when put on in company, silences whole rooms in rapt wonder. Magic.

Malcolm Young (AC/DC). Yes, it's his bollock-crushing-short wearing brother who tends to get the most attention-seeing as he does all the soloing and all, but listen...what is that sound crunching away behind this Antipodean schoolboy fret mangler? Why, it's the greatest ROCK rhythmn guitarist OF ALL TIME. The dude is SERIOUS. He thumps along, never missing a beat. No frills. No hammering on or jacking off. Just simple thunderous BOOGIE.
He is TEH BOOGIE MACHINE.

Michael Caroli (Can). Yes, a predictable choice from an avowed Krauthead. But, listen in wonder to his scything solo on the fifteen (FIFTEEN) minute thunderbus of wonder that is "Mother Sky". Gape and marvel as he increases the already near unbearable tension of this one note masterpiece. Never wanking, choosing his notes, taking his time, before the rest of the band can hold it in no longer and explode in a scalding shower of lightning glory. Drenching all and sundry in the sheer electricity of ROCK.

So, more please. Who are your AXE GODS? Stupidly effervescent hyperbole particularly welcome.

IT'S TIME TO STOP YOUR TEASIN' AND START YOUR PLEASIN'.
 
 
matthew.
15:16 / 18.11.05
Dimebag Darrell and his counterpart, Zakk Wylde are the greatest gee-tar players in the universe and in the history of humanity. Hahaha, hyperbole.

Watch that a moderator is going to swoop down and try and eliminate the hyperbole. They complain about it in the Policy thread.
 
 
Michelle Gale
18:05 / 18.11.05
Dave motherfuckin pajo.
 
 
Seth
21:41 / 18.11.05
Reeves Gabrels - saved David Bowie from being shit for the rest of his career. Made horrible and wonderful noises all over the Thin White Duke's back catalogue when performed in concert.
Agata - makes Tom Morello sound like Eric Clapton. Currently the most exciting guitarist in the world for the best band in the world. I have no idea how he does what he does.
Eddie Van Halen - the greatest of all time, bar none. Hendrix was a pussy. He also played with Michael Jackson who is officially the greatest recording artist of all time. If you disagree then I hate you.
Blixa Bargeld - it was his mission to sound like a dying horse. Between the Bad Seeds and Neubauten you have to be kidding me if this nutter doesn't make the list.
Ronald Jones - the dizzy and never surpassed heights of Clouds Taste Metallic could not have been possible without his cracked and broken guitar fragmented genius. Much missed.
Kawabata Makoto - fucking hippy weirdo beardo and a Very Nice Man. Makes more records per hour than you have in your entire collection.
Josh T Pearson - the Son of the Son of God.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
01:43 / 19.11.05
If you can find a bootleg, Richard Lloyd went on tour with a re-formed Rocket From The Tombs (who originally split into Pere Ubu and Dead Boys). Great stuff. While we're on the subject, though: Cheetah Chrome, lead guitarist of Dead Boys and one of two guitarists in Rocket. Listen to Dead Boys' version of 'Sonic Reducer' if you don't believe me. Fucking epic. Plus his name's Cheetah Chrome, which is about the best guitarist name ever.

J Mascis of Dinosaur Jr, if for no other reason than that when I saw him live, he was wearing a tie-dye shirt with a picture of a wolf howling on the front. He's a pretty good guitarist, too.

Another duo: Ian MacKaye and Guy Picciotto of Fugazi. Lots of dischord, lots of distortion, lots of weirdness, lots and lots and lots of awesome. Noise in the best possible sense.
 
 
power vacuums & pure moments
09:19 / 19.11.05
Tony Emmanuel - Fingerstyle legend, subtle and musical.

Steve Vai - Pretentious, stroppy twat [demanded a first class plane ticket from the states when he visited my music college last year]. Grandmaster of sweep picking/neo-classical arpeggio shit.

Bumblefoot - Absolute psycho. Plays a fretless guitar that looks like a...bumblebee foot. With wings that slide out when he hits the trem bar. Non-musical but awe inspiring.

Kerry King - Just for his stamina alone. God of thrash. Nice beard.

Hendrix - Still the greatest. All of the technique and passion of any of the above and the best songwriter too, by far.
 
 
GogMickGog
10:08 / 19.11.05
Blixa Bargeld - it was his mission to sound like a dying horse. Between the Bad Seeds and Neubauten you have to be kidding me if this nutter doesn't make the list.

A chum of mine was telling me that apparently there is a German word which was termed specifically to describe ol' Blixa's playing style..can't for the life of me remember it though.

James Williamson

There is NO way Jimmy's staying off this list. He wrote search n' fockin' destroy, for god's sake! His is the storming lead that almost breaks your speakers every time "Your pretty face is going to hell" kicks in. He even penned "Open up and bleed", "Gimme Danger", and all the other dirty, slow Stooges grooves too. Asheton could kick it with the 3 chord primal thud-dud-dud but Williamson's playing is reform school crazy.

Totally agree on Cheetah too.

"Aint it fun when you get so high, you just can't come" etc
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:58 / 19.11.05
Mick fucking Ronson. I can't listen to the beginning of the solo on "Hang On To Yourself" without smiling. And I don't know why. It's sleazy, and spacy and groovy all at the same time, and somehow it just never fails to make me feel good. Oh, I get it now- it's because it ROCKS.
 
 
Seth
15:20 / 19.11.05
Kerry King - Just for his stamina alone. God of thrash. Nice beard.

Heh. Sudoh from Melt Banana told me I reminded him of Kerry King last week.

In case you missed it, that was a massive namedrop.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:14 / 19.11.05
Pete 'Sonic Boom' Kember from the Spacemen Three - He never pretended he could play a note. In interview after interview he would try to explain, that really, anyone could do what he did. I remember seeing them live at the Calton Studios in Edinburgh, a long time ago - they played a forty minute set, at least ten minutes of which were taken up by 'Suicide' (an homage to both the band the act, and the act as applied to a career in the arts, I'm guessing,) during which Pete left, in quick succession, his guitar against his amp, the stage and a certain amount of the crowd's goodwill behind him, *not* I'm sure to, erm, y'know, go and 'shoot up' or anything like that.

By the end, at least half the audience had left in disgust - The Stone Roses had played up the road earlier that week, so there seemed to be a feeling in Em'bra round then that actually, 'this fuckin' indie shite was all right,' there were proper casuals in the crowd and such.

They really managed to fuck that up though, that night, the Spacemen.

Still there in the final moments, it wasn't so much that I felt like I really understood those guys or anything, as just glad that someone anyway, was prepared to go out there on stage, in whatever befuddled half-state, and put in such an insanely self-destructive (non)performance.

Fans of the band - there's a biography about them out now. I forget the title, but I wouldn't go anywhere near it, if I were you. I used to love those guys, but god, does it make for depressing reading.

Anyway: Pete Kember.
 
 
at the scarwash
21:35 / 19.11.05
Craig Scanlon--in my opinion came up with the template for the fall's brutarian minimalist guitar slogging that MES has carefully chosen his guitarists for again and again.

Mark Ribot--always traipsing on the edge of free improv, makes falling into Western tonality sound like an unlikely happy accident, as if a gila monster somehow found "Stardust" by scurrying around on a fretboard.

PJ Motherfucking Harvey--for me, made blues guitar something that could actually be done impressively by a living human being. Her work on Rid of Me is like screaming metal fatigue in love and rushing on methamphetamines. stone cold stop you in your tracks guitar ninja magic.
 
 
frownland
23:53 / 19.11.05
Mr Joshua Homme, thanks.
Sorry - I'm not much good at hyperbole, but, crikey, this bloke knows how to rock!!
That Kyuss crush!!! Those bouncy QOTSA tunes!!! ohhh yeah
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
00:53 / 20.11.05
I forgot to mention Johnny Marr. His guitar doesn't wail and he doesn't play bitchin' solos but man, his riffs are tight. I'm more familiar with his work by way of The The, but his playing on Dusk and Mind Bomb is fucking amazing- mournful and eerie and affecting and- dare I say it?- funky, rolled into a deceptively simple package (see: Helpline Operator).
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
09:41 / 21.11.05
THIS THREAD SPEAKS STRONG ROCK TRUTHS.

After a weekend of listening to the Theoretical Girls cd I have to put in a vote for Glenn Branca. Although he is mostly know for conducting and composing for massed ranks of guitarists (occasionally up to 50. FIFTY GUITARISTS! DOWN ON YOUR BELLIES, WORMS!), his axe mangling in his previous band is awesomely belligerent and sloppy, clinging bloody-mindedly to one chord before erupting into full blown histrionics. You can hear a the genesis of Sonic Youth in the Theoretical Girls cd and, indeed, both Thurston Moore and Lee Renaldo have played in Branca ensembles.

And I'm seconding Eddie Van Halen. Just a laugh-out-loud wicked guitar player.
 
 
Benny the Ball
10:26 / 21.11.05
With Devo - James Marshall Hendrix is one of the only guitarists that I know of that doesn't plod along the notes, it all just melts and becomes a strange mess of beautiful energy - Old Fast Hands Clapton sounds broken next to him. For the doubters that think he is pure feedback and noise just listen to Hear My Train A Comin' and you'll hear that even acoustically the man plays better than anyone. It was his thumbs that did it, big big thumbs. The closest anyone has come to him is Prince.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:55 / 21.11.05
Seth: Eddie Van Halen - the greatest of all time, bar none. Hendrix was a pussy.

When, exactly, did you go all wrong in the head?

Let's face it, Eddie's a bit... well... limited, isn't he? Mood-wise, I mean. He's fucking useless on, say, a ballad, or a slow blues. He's very, very good, for all that, and within his limited field he is absolutely the best he is at what he does.

But he's essentially a genre unto himself, and only functional within that genre. Does that make him the best of the best? No. It makes him the World's Strongest Cripple.

Jimi, on the other hand, had range for days.

But I'm not here to talk about Jimi Hendrix, friends—many already have, and more articulately than I could hope to. No, I'm here to talk about Richard Thompson, who can play anything and make it altogether his own, who oozes musicianship from every pore—an aboslute geek for traditional music and jazz and 20th C. avant-garde, who can play a show called "1000 Years of Popular Music" and demonstrate knowledge of every one of those years, covering Thomas Tallis to ABBA and everything in between, who can filter all those influences through a folk-rock sensibility and always sound thoroughly like himself. Always different: always the same.

Not to say he doesn't play well with others: sideman of choice for Nick Drake, Suzanne Vega, various permutations of the Finn Bros./Crowded House, Loudon Wainwright—and Lee Konitz (who played with Miles at the Birth of the Cool, and knows from talent; one day it's Pere Ubu's David Thompson on the phone, then it's Bonnie Raitt. Or T-Bone Burnett, or the Golden Palominos, or Dagmar Krause. For fuck's sakes, he's played with both J.J. and John Cale!

Tears it up on acoustic and electric (and banjo, and mandolin, and hammered dulcimer, and and and...). Breathtaking technique: he can play clean and pristine when he wants to, or gawdawful sloppy when he needs to. Shimmering, achingly melodic showers of notes; inarticulate waves of atonal scree; picking so intricate you'd swear there's got to be another guy in there with him; he's got more arrows in his quiver than any other three guitartists you'd care to name. He can make a rocker soar or howl or twitch or stagger; the slow ones can squeeze your heart or freeze your blood or make your flesh creep.

Richard Thompson is mighty. His guitar kills demons.

Plus he gets mad props for a legendary show at Lupo's Heartbreak Hotel in providence—the last show he ever played with his soon-to-be ex-wife Linda; she quit the band—and the marriage—after the main set, and he came out to play the encore after she'd smashed a bottle over his head to drive home the point. Blood down his face, glass in his hair, and a bitter song in his black, black heart: what else can you do, really, but play it loud?
 
 
matthew.
16:46 / 21.11.05
Jerry Cantrell of Alice in Chains. Shit, yeah. Listen to Rotten Apple and tell me that doesn't make your testicles constrict with pleasure. He's the inventer of one of the most bone-crunching riffs ever, found on Man in the Box - bone-crunching, I tells ya. His style is economical, to say the least. He's intensely teeth-rattling with his riffs. Shit, yeah.
 
 
Are Being Stolen By Bandits
17:43 / 21.11.05
I was skimming down this thread, nodding in approval of certain choices, shaking my head in bemusement at others (OK, mainly just Van Halen and Josh Homme, both of whom are more than adequate within their respective fields, but definitely fall short of "best EVARRR" to me), all the while hoping, just hoping, that someone would mention Richard Thompson so I didn't have to figure out how best to describe him. Jack Fear's post, impressively, does something approaching justice to an absolutely remarkable guitarist.

On a totally different note, and prompted by the mention of Macolm Young (who is indeed a fantastic, supremely reliable guitarist, and far too frequently overlooked), I just have to give a heartfelt shout out to Keith "Keef" Richards, who, to my ears, just edges the "best rhythm guitarist" crown from under the noses of Young, Marr, and a couple of other notable candidates. The Stones may not have recorded many records of serious quality since the early '70s (although the new album is proving surprisingly enjoyable so far), but that shouldn't detract from the sheer, glorious majesty of Richards' inimitable style. Even at his most drug-addled and wasted, his sense of rhythm was (and remains, even on otherwise unremarkable modern tracks like 'You Got Me Rocking' or 'Love Is Strong') utterly impeccable, and it's his fluid, imaginative but always rock-solid riffing which underpins just about every great track the Stones ever played. Just fire up the ubiquitous 'Brown Sugar', slide the balance on your stereo right over to the left, and marvel at the beat-perfect riffing which underpins the entire song. The Richards/Watts rhythm section is one of the tightest in rock, even today, and I can't think of anyone who's ever really surpassed them for pure groove. Just the most cursory run-through of riffs/songs produces some of the most magical guitar lines in rock & roll; 'Satisfaction', 'Paint It Black', 'Street Fighting Man' (recorded, brilliantly, on an acoustic guitar, on a brutally-overdriven cheap-ass tape recorder), 'Can't You Hear Me Knocking' (possibly my favourite single guitar riff ever), 'Gimme Shelter' (or, indeed, the whole of Let It Bleed, for which Keith recorded just about every guitar line on every song), 'Tumblin' Dice', 'Bitch', 'Before They Make Me Run', 'All Down The Lines', 'Shattered', ' 'Start Me Up', 'Beast Of Burden', 'Undercover Of The Night', and countless others.

You know it makes sense.
 
 
grant
19:26 / 21.11.05
Jimi, on the other hand, had range for days.

I heard on a recent radio program that he was planning on doing an album with a 12-piece rhythm and blues band but his death got in the way.

I really wonder what that would have been like.


My guitar heroes are Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo of Sonic Youth, because they take this strange instrument -- an electronic machine that spends 90% of its time pretending to be a freakin' medieval lute -- and liberate it. The largest sounds I've ever heard from a stringed instrument were created by Sonic Youth in concert with a screwdriver wedged behind one set of strings and the other being played by banging on the back of the guitar neck. It was like souls being stretched apart by church bells.

I'm also sort of enamored of Paul Galbraith, a classical guitarist, but he hardly counts -- he actually plays an eight-string instrument that has an end pin like a cello. It's barely a guitar. It's not a guitar at all, actually, but some other kind of guitar-like instrument, invented by Galbraith so he could play the music that he heard in his head and that his fingers knew they could play. I only have one album by him, his double-album transcription of Bach's Partitas & Sonatas for guitar. It's enough.
 
 
electric monk
19:41 / 21.11.05
Ah, grant. I was going to mention Moore and Ranaldo, but found I couldn't do them justice with my paltry words. "Like souls being stretched apart by church bells" is per-feck, tho.

I also like the way any given song of theirs feels like it could just blow apart at any minute, and sometimes does (as in "Mildred Pierce" on 'Goo')
 
 
The Strobe
20:09 / 21.11.05
Johnny Marr has already been mentioned, and I adore him for his arpeggios, twang, and gorgeous solos, but I'd also mention Jonny Greenwood for managing to mix the whole pissing-around-with-noises thing with some straight up rock solos earlier in the career, and some more delicate things later on.

Oh, and of course, my ultimate guitar hero: Django Rheinhardt. Seven fingers, dude, seven fingers, but what solos.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:31 / 22.11.05
I heard on a recent radio program that [Jimi Hendrix] was planning on doing an album with a 12-piece rhythm and blues band but his death got in the way.

I heard somewhere—and this may be apocryphal—that there were vague plans to work with the Gil Evans orchestra, plans not yet finalized at the time of Jimi's passing. The mind fucking boggles.
 
 
Char Aina
02:01 / 22.11.05
can you imagien what he would have been doing by now?
with access to all the technology he never got to see...

i think the mind might boggle over.
 
 
Crux Is This City's Protector.
04:15 / 22.11.05
Not to harsh on anybody's mellow, but they'd be saying that about Clapton if he'd have been bitten by his H habit. As it is, we're all just wishing the last 20 years of Clapton never happened.

Fiery young rockers, the vast majority of 'em, get tired and dull when they age. It's just how these things go. I heard a Mark Knopfler song on the radio, and boy howdy, that guy lost his fire. For every time you lament what Jimi Could Have Been, also breathe a prayer of thanks that you never had to hear him cut his Easy Listening album.
 
 
Seth
06:13 / 22.11.05
Eddie Van Halen - the greatest of all time, bar none.

...

But he's essentially a genre unto himself, and only functional within that genre. Does that make him the best of the best? No. It makes him the World's Strongest Cripple.

...

If you disagree then I hate you.

See you in the Weapons Forum - Gladiatorial Kombat - because EVH and I need payback: Hard Style. I will work the Lord's Vengeance over your fragile mortal body.

Hendrix is teh suck. Yawn, get off the stereo Dad!
 
 
Jack Fear
09:38 / 22.11.05
Hey, I heard "Beat It" on the radio 'tother day for the first time in a long time. Boy, that guitar solo is waaaaaay out of tune, isn't it... Do you reckon Eddie meant to do that?

Crux D: I take your point—but Mark Knopfler is maybe not a great example of the syndrome you describe. On the one hand, one might sneer that you can't lose what you never had—that Dire Straits were purveyors of fine laid-back boogie from their very first album, and indeed that offhand quality has always been a part of Knopfler's charm. The fan, on the other hand, might point to some buried treasures among Knopfler's recent work (I'm thinking of "What It Is" in particular) that measure up to anything on Making Movies.
 
 
doctorbeck
10:23 / 22.11.05
there is an Lp of the Gil Evans orchestra playing the music of Jimi Hendrix, which given an idea of what it might have been like - basically french library music, part jazz, part free rock, part loungecore, wholly mentalist and worth picking up

for me, all time greats must include steve cropper of booker t and the mgs, just the tightest rhyth guitarist you ever heard, sounds amazing backing everyone from otis redding to neil young, understated grooves, real passion.

and yes, i'll second that one for glen branca, heard him play a 40 minute tune on a guitar made from 2 bodies joined by a neck, an awesome noise that started massive and built from their
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:27 / 22.11.05
See, this is what I wanted when I started this thread; people debating Mark Knopfler. Fucking great! Although I would argue that the intro to "Money For Nothing" is far from laid back. That riff is a RIPPER.

There is an album of the Gil Evans Orchestra playing the music of Jimi Hendrix. It's rather forgettable, I'm afraid.

I do tend to think that the "Imagine what Jimi would be doing now" argument is fatally flawed. I seem to remember about 10 years ago people saying stuff like; "Yeah man Hendrix would be making Drum'n'bass now". I can't see it myself. People (and especially musicians) tend to get bitter as new trends overtake them. They simply get left in the dust. I'd like to think I was wrong though 'cos the idea of Hendrix doing a Santana style album with members of the dave matthews band (he doesn't deserve capitals) is uniquely depressing.

More please people. Someone has to use the word "arpeggio" soon.
 
 
Jack Fear
10:42 / 22.11.05
I would argue that the intro to "Money For Nothing" is far from laid back.

Oh, sure. But for every "Money For Nothing" there's a "Why Worry," a "So Far Away" and a "Brothers In Arms"; for every "Sultans of Swing," a "Six-Blade Knife" and a "Wild West End"; for every "Industrial Disease," a "Love Over Gold."

That's my point: Dire Straits were never entirely a balls-out rock band—there was always plenty of easier listening across the albums. That's why the rock-out tracks stand out so brilliantly.

The "fire" was always pretty sporadic—but on the flipside, it's never been entirely extinguished, either.
 
 
Jack Fear
10:44 / 22.11.05
(Oh—and that Mark Knopfler knows his way around an arpeggio, doesn't he? )
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
10:49 / 22.11.05
He mightn't be as widely renowned as most of the rest of those mentioned on this thread, but I ♥ James Dean Bradfield of the Manic Street Preachers. Pretty much solely for his work on The Holy Bible; he hasn't had much of a chance to get his guitar freak on since then.
It might've been him, it might've been the equipment, it might've been (producer) Dave Eringa, or the studio they were using, but I just adore the guitar sound on that album, especially the opening riff on Yes, the riffs on Faster, the start of 4st 7lbs...I was just blown away by it all when first I heard it.
 
 
rizla mission
12:08 / 22.11.05
I presumably don't need to tell you that I could probably knock out about 50,000 words on this topic during my lunch-break and collapse foaming at the mouth?

I think it would be bad for me to do that at the moment, so I won't even start.

Possibly I'll attempt a scatter-shot approach and throw in some bits and pieces when I get a minute.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
14:37 / 22.11.05
Rock on, da Rizla.
 
 
not-so-deadly netshade
01:38 / 23.11.05
I'm gonna bring up some really obvious ones, as several of my biggies have already been shouted out (Keef, Ronson, Lloyd/Verlaine, Williamson, Jimi, etc)

But why has no one mentioned...

DAVID GILMOUR! Sure, everybody immediately thinks of Comfortably Numb, Mother, and those GORGEOUS skyhigh bits with perfect, perfect tone and phrasings...

But what about all his bizarre, howly, slide playing? His delicate acoustic work (with all those weird chord figures that I imagine Johnny Marr spent much of his youth obsessing over)? His Sonic Youth levels of dissonance and feedback in live performance during the Floyd's pre-Dark Side years?

PHIL MANZANERA! File under Mick Ronson. Someone above said "groovy" "spacey" "sleazy"? Yeah. That sounds about right...especially on the 1st 3 or 4 Roxy records.

PETE TOWNSHEND! The kid who taught me my first guitar chords gave me the best advice I've ever gotten about music. "Everything you need to know to be a good guitarist, you can learn by copying the riffs on Live At Leeds." And you know what? He's right. And now with that full concert/2 disc version of the show available...there's so much more to copy!

I don't know what it is about The Who in the 70s...and unlike Gilmour (who can work beautifully with ANYONE), Townshend's insane guitar playing ONLY works in the context of The Who. And it seems to me from videos I've seen, bootlegs I've heard...that from about 1969 to 1973 or so, The Who were the most ferocious live act ever.

erm...I'm starting to sound like a fanboy. I could go on for days about Townshend or Gilmour...I can't even get into the rest of my list!
 
 
Seth
08:59 / 23.11.05
Hey, I heard "Beat It" on the radio 'tother day for the first time in a long time. Boy, that guitar solo is waaaaaay out of tune, isn't it... Do you reckon Eddie meant to do that?

What's that about tuna, Grandad?

Oh, he's asleep.

(wipes drool)
 
  

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