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Kid Eternity by Grant Morrison

 
  

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matthew.
01:07 / 17.11.05
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"KID ETERNITY
Written by Grant Morrison; Art and cover by Duncan Fegredo

Comics visionary Grant Morrison re-imagines Kid Eternity in this 144-page trade paperback collecting the 3-issue Prestige Format miniseries from 1991. Aspiring stand-up comedian Jerry Sullivan joins Kid Eternity on a quest to free his Keeper from Hell, only to find himself swept up in a much larger struggle between the Lords of Order and Chaos. "

I've never even heard of this. But I'll still buy it because I have brand loyalty (to Grant, that is). Has anybody else read this?
Out in Feb of 2006. Here's the cover (which I think is gross):
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:12 / 17.11.05
I loved Kid Eternity- but I feel I should point out it's a while since I've read it, so not sure how it will hold up today, though I'm optimistic. It's lots of good GM fun, and Fegredo's artwork looks gorgeous, iirc.

Yeah, I'll be buying it too.
 
 
lekvar
01:51 / 17.11.05
I thought it was great, I even *blushes* have a pair of the shades. It was an early example of what has become The Morrison Thing of late, taking old, discarded characters and reinterpreting them, breathing new life into them, and mixing as much Magjyck into it as possible.

It has been a while since I last read the series though. I may have to go back and see if it still holds up.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
05:16 / 17.11.05
I thought it was pretty self-indulgent, pretentious and messy in both art and writing; I still bought it, of course, but I haven't read it again in 14 years.
 
 
Krug
05:43 / 17.11.05
I agree with you Kovacs I thought it started off strong but got more muddled very quickly and was barely readable by the end. I very much doubt I'll be going back to it even if it's been some years since I read it.
 
 
■
07:10 / 17.11.05
At th etime it blew my mind, but I revisited it a year or two ago and it didn't really stand up. The art is trying to be McKean, but comes off as confusing, and there is just too much going on that doesn't make sense. This is a common complaint about George, but by this time he really hadn't refined the storytelling. Give it a go, though, as long as it's not too expensive.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:44 / 17.11.05
But I'll still buy it because I have brand loyalty (to Grant, that is).

Interesting statement. Do you mean by that that you expect to enjoy comics by Morrison, and therefore you will buy it, or do you mean that by buying it you are showing your loyalty to Morrison?
 
 
Sax
12:02 / 17.11.05
I just flogged my run on e-Bay for thirty quid. Praise be to the brand loyal!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:55 / 17.11.05
I seem to remember not understanding issue three at all. If it's published with the complete scripts (a la Arkham Asylum) it might be worth it.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
13:01 / 17.11.05
If you like Morrison, definitely pick it up. I was just picking up Dante's Inferno at the time and so was very interested in reading it. Besides, there was fuck all going on in the world of comics round then that didn't revolve around Jim Lee's X-Men or Ron Lim's Surfer.

Kid Eternity was a product of its time in a way as comics like Black Orchid and Sandman appealed to a more sophisticated audience, self-analyzing and moody with a dark sense of humor and post-modern sensibilities with a twinge toward the macabre. Oh and lots of wingeing characters in the thrall of a neurotic existential crisis. And literary references to literature popular with the collegiate/young intellectual set (seen later with the Invisibles).

So... take a trip to that time.
 
 
matthew.
13:01 / 17.11.05
Haus - I expect that I will enjoy comics with the name Grant Morrison on it. In other words, I will buy anything that has the name Grant on it, not because I want to support him (which I do) but because I'm confidant that I will enjoy it.

"In marketing, Brand loyalty is the strongest measure of a brand's value, it can be demonstrated by repeated buying of a product or service, of a good word of mouth and advocation of a product or service. Even with the availability of other alternatives."
Wikipedia

"Definition: the tendency of consumers to continue buying a specific brand's product or service, despite the competition"
Webster's New Millenniumâ„¢ Dictionary of English, Preview Edition (v 0.9.6)

Even Grant's worst is better than some of the shit out there.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:18 / 17.11.05
In other words, I will buy anything that has the name Grant on it

What, including anything by Alan Grant? Or Grant Mitchell?

Only teasing, you young wag you. What you're describing there is the quality-based argument - that is, that you would like to buy comic books which have qualities x, y and z, and you have an experiential belief, based on previous experience, that a comic book written by Grant Morrison will have those qualities. That tends to work better when you have a monolithic brand with a diversified product portfolio - for example, the Apple brand, which is applied to music players and personal computers but in each case communicates the brand qualities of premium quality and the tight integration of function and design.

By contrast, Grant Morrison is not exactly a brand - he's what we old-fashioned types call a writer. You are saying, it seems, that your previous experience of Grant Morrison's output is broadly positive, and that therefore you will purchase any comic book produced by him in the expectation of a comparable positive experience. Where the marketing comes in is the rather more interesting desire to support him. I imagine that there are a number of strands to be teased out there - buying a comic by Grant Morrison supports him financially, obviously, albeit to a fairly minor degree. One might in those terms more accurately be said to be supporting DC or Marvel Comics. Buying comics by Grant Morrison helps to assert his saleability as a producer of comics - that is, as a way of making money for these companies and therefore to persuade them to continue to employ him, thus ensuring further that his work continues to be made available for its admirers. So far, it's a pretty integrated cycle. There is a vaguer sense of "support" which starts to shade more into a sppiritual communion with Grant Morrison - the swingball sector, if you like. A comparison might be found in somebody buying a pair of trainers of a brand endorsed by a sportsman whose work as a sportsman they would admire just as much were he to accomplish it in a different brand of shoe.

There's some interesting stuff on the relationship of brand and consumer in Aaker's "Building Strong Brands", which might be worth a shufti as an introduction.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
14:29 / 17.11.05
Well... DC has used Grant himself as a selling point, see below:



Not a brand per se, but... is his bald profile that far from being used as a logo by DC?

In any case, back to Kid Eternity.

The comic strangely spun off into a full series by Anne Nocenti and Sean Phillips which I own and have read about half of. Not either artists' best work.

Another weird narrative idea of Grant's was to use the stand-up comedy routines to break up scenes. That alone makes it worth checking out.
 
 
electric monk
14:49 / 17.11.05
RE: the brand thang

I haven't picked up Aaker in a while, but I do remember being struck by the sections on Harley-Davidson and Saturn. I suppose Grant could be comparable to Saturn in that, while he's not a brand unto himself (CRACK! Comics notwithstanding) he is a sub-brand of the DC brand. Like Saturn, Grant's given leeway in how he presents a given product and even given enough leash to develop that product along lines not usually explored by the parent company. DC's learned that Grant's a viable sub-brand and can move product over the long term (see the dearth of TPB's with his name on them lately).

It's striking to me promo poster above has a HUGE Grant head and big, bolded author name over a seemingly semi-important book name. Meanwhile, the DC logo is down in the bottom right corner and cropped, de-emphasizing it. Amazing. Is there past precedent for this in the comic industry? I can only think of novelists being given comparable treatment (King and Clancy come to mind).

/OT
 
 
FinderWolf
15:03 / 17.11.05
I have a vague memory of liking the ongoing series (esp. some of the Ann Nocenti-written issues) a bit more than the initial miniseries. But memory is a funny thing...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:49 / 17.11.05
Yeah - the Nocenti series, untimely cancelled at around issue 18 and as such very easy to collect, was for my money (all 50p an issue) really good stuff - didactic and at times utterly incomprehensible, but mad good fun. The Morrisonn Kid Eternity I only read issues 1 and 2 of - nice artwork, but I think it felt a bit.;.. Arkham Asylum at the time, if you see what I mean. Possibly a bit unfair - I was much younger when I read it. If you have so far liked everything GM has written, I'm sure it's worth reading.

On brands, and specifically:

Is there past precedent for this in the comic industry? I can only think of novelists being given comparable treatment (King and Clancy come to mind).

The habit of putting the creator's name on the top of books in a big font was reasonably common with celebrity authors who created properties which were then taken over by less expensive writers - Neil Gaiman's Pneu-Matic man, that sort of thing. The superstar comic book author, I think, is usually dated to the period when Image comics was formed, and when an effort was made to market its creators not only as aspirational figures because they wrote comic books but also because they were cool guys whom chicks dug. The tendency to associate and market personalities, however, is older than that - think back to the Marvel bullpen editorials, for example - if not generally as concerted. Or, of course, the creation of Stan Lee as a kind of "brand champion" for Marvel comics.

The big-author/small-title thing makes pretty reasonable sense in genre fiction, I suspect - the idea being to capitalise precisely on the audience Matt represents. If somebody will buy any book (or comic book) written by author x, then the important thing to do to sell that book to them is to make it clear that it is written by that author. In a sense, it's what I use Barbelith for - it tells me when new Grant Morrison stuff is coming out, so I can buy it. At that point author-as-brand is interesting, because there are elements of an author's branding which really don't have that much to do with the scripts he is delivering. Vertigo provides a very good example of this, I think - after Moore there were a number of attempts to communicate, through cover design and intellectual property, that other books were close enough to the Moore-branded merchandise to be worth buying by the person who buys everything produced by Moore - a form of cross-selling. Some thing with Vertigo after Sandman - Mike Carey's work, in particular, has a definite "If you liked Sandman, why not try" feel about it in its presentation, as did The Dreaming. The novel equivalent might be the outbreak of Josh Kirby-resemblin' covers slapped on sci-fi/fantasy comedies in the wake of Pratchett's breakthrough success. Speaking of Gaiman, perhaps one of the most literal applications of this principle was the belly band around American Gods promising that the reader could get his or her money back if it was not, in their opinion, as good as Stephen King - that is, they were putting Stephen King's name, in big letters, on a book not written by King or associated with him in any way in order to sell it to people who bought Stephen King novels.

There's some stuf that sort of rambles around similar issues here and here.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:56 / 17.11.05
PS:

Not a brand per se, but... is his bald profile that far from being used as a logo by DC?

He is not bald. He has a shaven scalp. HE IS NOT BALD. NOT.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
16:01 / 17.11.05
... um... okay.

I'm sure he's incredibly verile.
 
 
electric monk
20:02 / 17.11.05
Smilin' Stan! DERRRRR!

*slaps forehead*
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
20:55 / 17.11.05
So... is this thread still about Kid Eternity, or what?
 
 
bio k9
01:39 / 18.11.05
Only on the outside.
 
 
A
02:18 / 18.11.05
Didn't Geoff Johns rather pointlessly kill off Kid Eternity in a couple of panels in the first issue of that tedious superhero team book of his that so many people seem to think is the finest comic currently being published.... ummm... JSA?
 
 
matthew.
02:35 / 18.11.05
I had the most fascinating convo with a schoolchum today who is part-time student and full-time writer for a large advertising firm. I casually mentioned this discussion in terms of brand loyalty and she was interested. One of the first things they taught her was that anything can be sold no matter what it was. Secondly, that thing will probably be sold if it has the word "new" associated with it (with some exceptions). Thirdly, that since everything is being commodified (my new fav word), that includes people. For example, Gwen Stefani hires harajuku girls (she buys them) and then turns around and sells them to us, not only as style, but as "equality" (even though fundamentally, the concept of the harajuku girl is stifling and offensive). With DC Comics, they "buy" Grant's skills (by hiring him to write) and then they turn around and "sell" his name to me. I buy it because of previous positive experience. According to this advertising firm, ultimately the goal is to sell enough versions of this brand, this name, that I will blindly by the product without reading the fine print, essentially what Haus said about Stephen King. This isn't a new concept; imitation covers have been around forever. I'm just pointing out that we have heard from the "Enemy" (the advertising world) that it is a primary goal.

How does this relate to Kid Eternity? Watch me. This discussion is very relevant and in fact desirable because we are conscientious consumers. Instead of being sheep, we argue and discuss the merits and problems with the specific brand. If I know for a fact that everybody - who has previously had positive experiences with the brand called GrantMorrison - is having / had a negative experience with the brand, maybe - just maybe - I'll reconsider my brand loyalty.

Just to be clear, I think GrantMorrison is a brand just like any other brand. Just because he's one man doesn't mean he can't be a brand. BUT, to be even more clear, I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. It's just something that happens. It is a product of capitalism. They've already sold us everything else, now they're going to sell something new.

I guarantee that the words "Previously Published Elsewhere" won't be very easy to read on the cover or the backcover. What will be written will be "Never Before Collected", just to entice us even more.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
02:39 / 18.11.05
I feel kind of stupid and lowbrow for saying this, but I really liked the way the covers of the issues fit together to make one big picture. That won't be as cool in the trade.
 
 
matthew.
03:35 / 18.11.05
Ooh, I feel bad. Duplicate thread here.

And lifted from this thread, here's the covers:

You're right, Stoat, they look cool. Too bad the trade won't have it as cool. Even if they're in there, there's no fucking way I'm breaking the spine just to lay it flat.
 
 
This Sunday
04:59 / 18.11.05
My brain makes this a bridge between 'Arkham Asylum' and 'Sebastian O' for some reason. I wonder how much of the art was following script and how much was Fregredo's own innovations and ideas? Each page seems very much on its own, and the whole thing a montage, rather than the typical comics narrative-mode.
Love the yes-it-was-hell/trust-us/Keeper-lied-and-
looks-horrid/trust-us-anyway, developments of the piece. Splendid use of reversals that might not ultimately matter.
And the free-choice/no-choice duality and decimation thereof nicely secures my opinion that there was not some radical ideological shift mid-Invisibles that makes the end come out of nowhere.
A very Vertigo work.
Did the Nocenti series revise him back to temp-raising the real dead? Or did she run with the demons-in-disguise deal?
Is it wrong of me to now want something titled 'Decepticon Resurrection'?
Lovely colors for ninety-one, yes? Hard to believe this and X-Men #1 were probably sharing shelf space back then. And, 'Slapstick' would be there, too.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:23 / 18.11.05
I remember reading the first issue of this. Fegredo's art was terrifying; the whole thing creeped me out. I'm not sure what happened to the comic - it's somewhere in storage, not because it's bad, but because it actually managed to unsettle me whenever I read it. As opposed to the Nocenti series - while having its heart in the right place, I walked away feeling like it was _Shade the Changing Man_ done as a watered down sitcom starring a washed up former teen heart throb.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
08:02 / 18.11.05
S'all very Clive Barker. But I liked it. Sure it's of it's time, but to me it's a decent fist at a superhero/horror hybrid. The Kid's a prototype for Marvel Boy and Klarion (and many other snotty Morrison protagonists). Fegredo's art was suitably nightmarish (threadrot - IMO Fegredo is a severely underrated artist. His work with Milligan is just superb -'Girl' in particular - and check out the Marvel 'Monsters On The Prowl' one-shot for more goodness)
So basically, if you haven't read it, buy the trade. It's a good artifact of early 90's pre-Vertigo stuff, and a creepy weird story to boot.
 
 
poser
06:25 / 22.11.05
(Some spoilers ahead)

I read Kid Eternity a little after the Sept 11th Bombings, and though it very very eerie that a Chaos Sphere had been installed in New York, with a panel showing the twin towers.

*shudders*
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:40 / 08.02.06
Heads up: according to the DC website, the GM/DF Kid Eternity trade is coming out next week (February 15th). Anyone planning on picking this up? I was going to go have a peek in the store next week and decide if it's worth my hard-won dollars. Mostly I want to figure out if it still creeps me out.
 
 
matthew.
23:48 / 08.02.06
I... er... couldn't wait to read it... so I, uh, downloaded. *looks down at shoes, sniffles*
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:55 / 08.02.06
Despite all the trees that get cut down, I still think there something so very pleasurable about having the thing itself, in your hands, rather than on screen. Much easier on the eyes, as well. Plus I can take it with me on the bus.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:29 / 09.02.06
I imagine I'll be getting this, what with DF being a personal friend of mine these days... well, we've exchanged a couple of e-mails anyway, and surely that counts?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:42 / 09.02.06
He really should do more painted work. His Shade covers make me so extravagantly happy. And, of course, while only Pen & ink with some cursory colour, Enigma...
 
 
matthew.
01:17 / 09.02.06
Plus I can take it with me on the bus.

I can barely admit to people I know that I read comics, let alone read one in public...

Everyone I know thinks comics are for kids, are juvenile, sexist, misogynist, simplistic and for nerds. I can't say to absolutely everybody: "But there are some comics out there that are mature, intelligent, complex and for adults"

Anyways, I agree: I'd rather have it in my hand. But I can't afford it.
 
  

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