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X-Men: Deadly Genesis (spoilers)

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Matthew Fluxington

12:18 / 26.11.05

I remember back when Steve Seagle and Joe Kelly were doing the book, they introduced a whole other group of X-Men, and I was thinking at the time "oh man, it'd be so great if they revealed that Xavier had this whole other group (maybe more than one!) that he kept on the side and secret from the others. But then they were just robots or something.

But I do like the idea of there being X-Men that the X-Men never knew about, especially an entire group of X-Men who were around and died before Xavier ever put together the Cyclops/Beast/Jean/Iceman/Angel group.

rabideyemovement

14:02 / 26.11.05

Maybe this Krakoa-possessed being isn't Thunderbird at all, but the lost third Summer's brother. On the cover to issue two, Scott is giving him a face full of concussive force to no effect. Remember that the Summers' powers don't work on one another. And Scott is expected to recognize him.
I still think we're dealing with a secret X-Men team, where Xavier maybe sent in a hastily recruited, undertrained group of kids to fight Krakoa, who maybe is something more than just a living island. If you google covers for issues three and four, you get some really nice clues.

12:18 / 01.12.05

MORE (but mild spoilers) about this mini from a Newsarama interview...

>> NRAMA: And last hints or secrets you can leak?

EB: Sure, what the hell... Everyone likes spoilers, so I'm going to tease a few.

With Deadly Genesis, not only are we going to learn what happened to Professor X after House of M, not only are we re-examining the first New X-Men adventure from another point of view, and introducing a major new villain who will haunt the X-Men for years to come...

But we're also going to finally tell the story of the Third Summers Brother. That's one of the secrets that Xavier has been sitting on for a while, and when fans read this story, they are going to go -- "Oh my god, it's been right there in front of me for years!"

12:27 / 01.12.05

I may be in the minority but I can never get enough of the Summers clan.

12:57 / 01.12.05

Alex Summers is one of my favourite characters, so they better bring him in, in his old costume though.

I think that the Krakoa is a bit of a dead end - it mentions it at the back of the book and seems to much of a red herring.

13:22 / 01.12.05

Well, here's the interview Findo alluded to.

I'm a bit worried about Brubaker's longterm future. He's done, what? fourteen comics for Marvel so far, and they've all bin pretty good, but I seriously (and this is as a long-time X-reader) could give nary a fuck about the third Summers. In fact, I know who the third Summers is. It's Anti-Matter from X-Force #129 (Milligan/Fegredo); I've got it right here in front of me.

I'm thinking 'lost team', of which Petra, and other back-up characters will form a constitution.

Regrettable Juvenilia

14:15 / 01.12.05

What I'm thinking is something along the lines of: there was a team of mutants (including Petra) that Xavier put together at some point, probably around the time of Giant-Sized X-Men #1, all of whom died and somehow ended up stuck in a lump of rock in space. It looks as if what Brubaker is shooting for is that Xavier may have been responsible for their deaths somehow (sacrificing them for the greater good?), that the third Summers brother may have been one of them, and that Charlie then wiped everybody's minds. The trouble with this is that the number of dodgy things Xavier has done in this time keeps getting larger and their nature more indefensible...

14:17 / 01.12.05

Yeah, that lines up.

Xavier has an out, anyway, inasmuch as he's now a little girl.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

20:25 / 03.12.05

Hmmm... how many times are the going to reveal the identity of the "third summers brother"? Adam-X, Gambit, Henry Kissinger... who cares at this point?

Matthew Fluxington

21:12 / 03.12.05

It'd be so much better if he didn't wipe people's minds, and just successfully hid it from the later students. Xavier wiping minds is getting pretty old hat at this point.

Matthew Fluxington

21:27 / 03.12.05

Gambit was never revealed to be the third Summers brother, that was insinuated a couple times but never confirmed by any stretch.

22:02 / 03.12.05

Not to undercut yr. x-credentials, Matthew, but I've read he was in the Claremont End series. Of course, we can just say 'non-canon', like anyone with a mind has for the last 15 years of Claremont x-books.

Phex: Dorset Doom

22:31 / 03.12.05

Matthew: Gambit is (supposedly) Mr. Sinister's son, according to the Claremont-written 'X-men: The End' series (now defunct because it pretty much relies on 'No more mutants' thing having never happened), so if you accept that as canon then it really fucks up the whole Gambit-is-a-Summers thing. Then again, I assume that the release of Claremont's work is a clerical error and most of his comics were actually intended to be sent to the Pentagon basement where they were to get put into a crate next to the arc of the covenant. Plus, I'm sure if you looked around hard enough there's at least one instance of Cyclop's optic-blasts working on Gambit.
As for mind-wipes: I don't like the idea, because of a little thing called 'Infinite Crisis'. Marvel may have scheduled their mega-event at the same time as IC, but they're not going to go as far as stealing plot devices.

Matthew Fluxington

23:47 / 03.12.05

X-Men: The End is totally not canonical!

Matthew Fluxington

23:50 / 03.12.05

But either way, since it's blindingly obvious that the Decimation will be reversed*, it doesn't really have to have all that much bearing on things that would happen in the distant future.

* This inevitability is actually the #1 thing making the post-Decimation comics quite enjoyable - it's all about waiting for the other shoe to drop, and seeing how they get out of this. For the first time since Grant left, the longterm storytelling seems to have a deliberate ending in mind.

23:53 / 03.12.05

At what point did X-Editorial decide that fans NEEDED another Summers Brother? I bought the issue in question where Sinister slips. It was almost the same month Adam X showed up in an X-Force annual. I figured it out with barely a thought and I was in like sixth grade. How did it fly over the heads of all involved? Why is it such a big deal?

Matthew Fluxington

01:54 / 04.12.05

It's a ridiculous by-product of the 90s, but it looks like this miniseries is going to run with it in some kind of intelligent way, so I'm fairly optimistic about it.

02:43 / 04.12.05

Why's everybody always so down on Adam X? Granted, not the greatest character of all time, but the blood ignition thing was kinda cool - at least it's not a traditional superpower and he fit continuity without any real problems. Nice mid-nineties visual design, decent hair, provides a little more reason for the Shiar to keep coming back into X-stories.
Come to think, have the Shiar shown up since Cassie-in-Charlie fucked them up and they got a cool new transliteration for their super-guardian bodyguard army?

Matthew Fluxington

03:01 / 04.12.05

Well, they kinda have a good excuse for not showing up given that Cassandra completely ruined their empire. They have a lot of recovery and reconstruction to handle!

Matthew Fluxington

03:04 / 04.12.05

That whole situation has opened up some pretty good new story possibilities for the Shi'Ar, actually. I wonder who will be the first to run with it.

13:39 / 11.05.06

Looks like we now know the answer to who the final, yet-unrevealed member of the new Uncanny lineup will be.

Brubaker said that he didn't want to reveal the final team member, as it would spoil the end of Deadly Genesis.

We can now safely assume that it is...

!!!yoB gnivlovE eht niwraD

13:55 / 11.05.06

Did this mini have a point besides "Xavier is a manipulative dick"?

14:23 / 11.05.06

Why yes, to clear up the Third Summers Brother mystery of course...excuse me for a moment...

...BLLLLECCCHHH!!!

But seriously, Darwin is frockin' cool.

18:05 / 11.05.06

Darwin is rather cool, but whenever a mutant with an especially interesting or unique power joins the X-Men, they're eventually shunted off to the side in favour of more Wolverine.

We had the moderately interesting Maggot shipped off to Generation X where he was murdered, Cecilia Reyes was shipped off to a death camp, where we can assume she was murdered, Beak got sent off to join the Exiles where he was eventually de-powered.

Anyway, this series was pretty nice (if you can overlook the fact that it's one big, stinky retcon, screaming for people to burn their Essential X-Men TPBs and forget EVERYTHING YOU EVER KNEW ABOUT THE X-MEN!!) and the art in these past two issues has been a delight to look at.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

22:43 / 11.05.06

"I wonder who will be the first to run with it."

Brubaker is opening his X-Men run with a 12 part X-Men in Space vs. Shi'ar arc. I'm curious if he'll make it work. The X-Men in space is one of those little X-Men quirks that only Clarement ever pulled off sucessfully.

13:05 / 12.05.06

Mondays with Marts reported the following:

Out of these sixteen characters at least one of them will die, two of them will get married, two characters will quit one team to join another, and one of them will be the “unnamed” Uncanny member.

Corsair
Cyclops
Darwin
Deathbird
Gambit
Havok
Hepzibah
Lilandra
Petra
Polaris
Pyro
Cecelia Reyes
Sunspot
Sway
Vulcan
Warpath

I say Sunspot dies. Corsair and Hepzibah marry. Gambit and Havok leave the X-Men to join god knows what. And Darwin is our newest X-Man.

Full story found here.

13:49 / 12.05.06

Aren't these characters already dead?

Petra
Cecelia Reyes
Sunspot
Sway

Regrettable Juvenilia

13:54 / 12.05.06

In another thread someone mentioned that Cecilia Reyes was last seen being "shipped off to a death camp", but that's the first I'd heard of it. When did Roberto Dacosta die?

14:01 / 12.05.06

Didn't Sunspot actually become leader of the Hellfire club, during one of Claremont's flights of the ludicrous? It has been glazed over now though, it seems with the arrival of Emma Frost's HFC.

Here's what the wikipedia has to say on the matter of Cecilia Reyes apparent death:

Later, she was briefly seen as a prisoner at a mutant concentration camp run by the Weapon X program, where she attempted to use her medical expertise to help out the other prisoners. She was apparently killed when a brainwashed Agent Zero destroyed the camp, and her death was later confirmed in the letter column of New Excalibur #1. However it seems this was a mistake as that Mike Marts on an onterview on Uncanny X-men.com stated that if Cecilia would be dead they would show it on panel. Which means that there is no official Announcment that Cecelia is dead.

15:26 / 12.05.06

Sunspot still lives. Pyro, however, is dead along with Sway, Petra and possibly Cecelia Reyes.

15:37 / 12.05.06

Sorry, I meant Pyro. Cut & paste error

21:34 / 12.05.06

(drunkenly swaying) I'm the third Summer's brother and I have the papers to prove it!

Well...I say papers. I mean I quite like redheads.

And I can electrify blood! But I need a car battery.

21:47 / 13.05.06

Other than involving Krakoa and thereby validating the title of the mini, how was this simpler than just using Adam X? One brainwashed Summers to replace one brainwashed Summers, and no big retcons?

Actually, what was the retcon on Krakoa, here? I thoroughly felt I was missing more in this miniseries than in all over the Seven Soldiers stuff, and I have the x-background, where my DCU-fu is very weak, indeed. Argh! Couldn't all that mutant energy floating out into space be channelled into some sort of make-sense/be-relevant ray?

And, really, despite everything Xavier did, I still think Scott's coming off the bigger ass and hypocrite. The Cult of X has that massive 'must forgive all trespasses' bylaw, right up front. It's how they got Sabretooth and Rogue in there.

And did they not give Emma her memories of Charles fucking with her, back? How shitty is that? "Here Scott, have some memories I stole from you years ago. The rest of you? Take a hike, I'm a goddammed hu-man, now! I have failings and my brain can't make you all forget them! I don't have every dirty, nasty thought on the planet at my fingertips and must learn to google (and google for porn), like the chimps who run this planet!"

Are these things clearly addressed, and I just need to reread, or is my suspicion correct and a review not recommended?

23:54 / 13.05.06

Possibly the later, DD. Of course, some of these things might (and probably will) be addressed in Brubaker's upcoming run on Uncanny.

20:37 / 17.05.06

Just curious...Is this book along with Captain America setting Brubaker up as "the guy who places new bits in ancient history and then digs them up"?

Not trying to be uber-critical there, mostly just curious. Bucky and Vulcan should start a club.

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