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Riots in France

 
  

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Morpheus
20:40 / 09.11.05
In Milwaukee Wis. , which is one of the most segregated cities in the United States, they had a record amount of inner city youth shootings and fatalities this year. Almost exclusively they were black youths. These people have lived there for the most part as long as anyone else there at this point and the reasons for the hostility there is very obvious. Racism is still a very big issue there, and most white middle and upper middle class people there can not bear even the sight of them and so have at one point pushed them into the older parts of the inner city and now to the older suburbs.
They then turn into slums because they are marginalized in order to eliminate them. They become modern shanty towns with plumbing and electricity. These people are
ignored, but have to watch everyday others living the dream of a better and equal life that, for them, is not there, and never will be.
Welfare and public programs only isolate them more, because they are then seen as a social burden and are then made into consumers without the ability to produce in any normal social form. Black people are still not allowed to own anything that will better thier future in some peoples eyes. How many black CEO'S with all black boards are there? Most likely none.
It is a race war fought by children at this point and that should be taken very seriously,
instead the news tells us what they will do to fight this and that is finally deport these potential future visionaries, label them malcontents and western decadents, and "beef" up the police.
The French should have learned from history, but instead seem to want to control history, in a very wealthy and white way. They are hypocrites in the worst sense of the word.
Nothing in the news about the real issues that cause the youths to see no future for themselves. They needed to talk to some of these kids and find out what the problem is, not legislate police actions and send more children to prison.
They are fucking up autos, that should say it all. They feel stuck. And for the most part I can feel for them, because they are stuck in thier skins with no hope as long as racists make the big changes.
 
 
Ganesh
20:49 / 09.11.05
The French should have learned from history, but instead seem to want to control history, in a very wealthy and white way. They are hypocrites in the worst sense of the word.

Damn straight, every one of them. Fuck those hypocritical French.

Less facetiously, how does the current situation indicate an overriding hunger, on the part of the French, to "control history, in a very wealthy and white way" to a greater extent than any Western country attempts to "control history, in a very wealthy and white way"? Why are the French hypocrites in the worst sense, compared to the rest of us?
 
 
Morpheus
22:19 / 09.11.05
What is it with you?

Does everything have to be spelled out for you.

The U.S. is known to be a flock of repressed racists and the same with the U.K. France seems to have waved the Freedom for the working class and people of any nationality, flag a long time now, but the actions of this week seem to show the true colors of these leaders. The answer universally seems to be to beat your populace into submission when your assets are being threatened.
I'm a scumbag, your a scumbag and wouldn't you want to be a scumbag to?
 
 
Ganesh
22:23 / 09.11.05
Well, when you're telling me what is "known" without recourse to any sort of evidence base, then yes, things need to be spelt out to me. Again, I'm not sure France has waved "freedom" flags any more than any other Western country (apart from, arguably, the egalite thing), so I'm failing to see in what way it's worse than the rest of us - which appeared to be what you were suggesting.

If this isn't the case, my apologies.
 
 
Sjaak at the Shoe Shop
10:21 / 10.11.05
Been following the news, and there were quite a few interesting analyses, especially in the Belgian media as they are next door and have had problems in the past, i.e. Antwerp a few years ago.

The first element (also mentioned here) is urban planning. The suburbs of Paris referred to are large scale, low quality housing, and with poor access to the city proper. Together with the economical conditions this creates large ghettos that are almost impossible to control.

Interesting comparisons were made to Amsterdam and Antwerp.

In Amsterdam a similar ghetto threatened to develop in the Bijlmer district some 20 yrs ago. The suburb was therefore cut up in smaller sections, using different urban structures (i.e. high-rise vs low-rise & family houses) and developing higher income areas. This has made the sections manageable, and has given a lift to the area.

In Antwerp there are several areas with large african minorities, however these are all located near the city center. This automatically makes them smaller and more integrated into the city itself. Because of that there is a social framework in these districts.
Conclusion can be drawn that the banlieu set-up is in fact unmanageable for any government.

A second element which was often raised was the french approach to any of these problems over the years, which was claimed to be mostly repressive. A lot of stick but the carrot was missing.

The egalite item was also brought up as an interesting element in the French disregard for cultural diversity. This makes the french intergration completely different from for example US or Singapore, where groups can keep living within their own culture while still easily functioning in society.

Yesterday's news is that Sarkozy has proclaimed that any rioters arrested without french nationality will be immediately deported to their country of origin. This also applies to under age kids (most are in the 12 to 20 group), people with residential permits, and any 2nd or 3rd generation who never bothered to apply for citizenship.

Now what do you think of that...
 
 
Malarki
12:32 / 10.11.05
Yesterday's news is that Sarkozy has proclaimed that any rioters arrested without french nationality will be immediately deported to their country of origin. This also applies to under age kids (most are in the 12 to 20 group), people with residential permits, and any 2nd or 3rd generation who never bothered to apply for citizenship.

Heard this on the radio this am. Had a spokesperson from the Human Rights League in France saying that it'd probably be a violation of basic human rights and so would be illegal. No expert on French law or the legal system so hard to judge that. Another one of those knee-jerk popularist politicans I suspect, but we will see.

Will try and find a link for the interview.

This should take you there Today Site then go down to 0721 in the Running Order and click the link.
 
 
Triplets
13:22 / 10.11.05
In other news: firefighters fight blaze with petrol.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
15:02 / 10.11.05
Independent 09/11/05
The French government has declared a 12-day state of emergency for the first time in mainland France.

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As has been mentioned in the media, things are not being helped by the 1955 curfew laws, France has used, being originally designed for use in Algeria during the occupation.

I read some translated accounts on IMC that the CRS tear gassed a mosque during Ramadan. Anyone got any more reliable links to support this?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:14 / 10.11.05
Haus mentioned La Haine earlier- director Mathieu Kassovitz has a piece in today's G2 on the French rioting.
 
 
Dead Megatron
17:50 / 10.11.05
I feel like taking a trip to Paris, just like month I felt like going to New Orleans
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
09:20 / 11.11.05
Inchoate: BBC News 24 reported last week that a tear gas grenade had been fired at a mosque, and that the CRS has confirmed that it was of the type used by them, although they advised that this did not mean that they had fired it.

Subsequent vox populi statements from worshippers at the mosque refuted reports that a youth had entered the mosque with the grenade.

I'm at work but I'll try to post links.
 
 
Malarki
12:25 / 11.11.05
Think I saw a similar report on Channel 4 news on Saturday night.
 
 
Malarki
12:27 / 11.11.05
Haus mentioned La Haine earlier- director Mathieu Kassovitz has a piece in today's G2 on the French rioting.

Just read it and its good for putting the statements in a context for those who don't really follow French politics closely.
 
  

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