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How and Why do you consume the News?

 
  

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Supaglue
15:09 / 02.11.05
I mean, being informed about the Guantanamo situation just so as one can wring hands over Brie and Port at the next Jenkins' family Feast Together is in many ways more despicable than ignorance, surely?

Money, you don't explain why it's more despicable. I can't see how it can be worse. If a previously ignorant person hears of Guantanamo and wrings their hands over the Jenkins' family feast, then there has been consideration and some kind of awareness of the plight of someone. It's lillumination.

I think you're alluding (correct me if I'm wrong), in a patrinising manner, that the average middle class person of this country watches the news and thinks events are awful but does little to change things. Even if this was the case on the whole, so what - if only one person is stirred to do something, then maybe the news has done its job?

And I'm sure the lady being bombed in Iraq would like to know (a) who's bombing her, (b) why, (c) when's it going to stop, etc.

That said, this has all been postulated in posts above far more eloquently....
 
 
Tom Morris
15:11 / 02.11.05
How about "know thy enemy"?
 
 
grant
17:26 / 02.11.05
1. It was the news that told me it'd be a good idea to put up shutters on Sunday. I got the best information off internet sites like weatherunderground.com, but I get most news off the net. If I was that lady in Baghdad and I knew planes were coming, I could try to leave the city, or at least lay in some canned food. I know if trouble is on the way.

2. It was the radio news that tells me that the curfew for my neighborhood has been moved from 9pm to midnight, and that the public schools are still closed in my county (so I'll have to find someplace to keep the kids while I'm at work... or bring them along when I leave in the morning). I know what's going on in my neighborhood.

2a. Last night, it was the radio news that told me the cars were slowing down in front of me because a fuel truck had flipped a few miles up the interstate and it'd be a good idea for me to get off the highway now rather than wait and see if things would lighten up. This happens a lot more regularly than the hurricane business above.

3. Hearing about the problems with UN inspectors at Guantanamo makes me think a little differently about our military presence there and about the politicians who make up our intelligence committee and who appoint & confirm our attorney general. It'll a) alter the way I vote, and b) alter the way I think about future reports about the relationship between the U.S. and the U.N. I'm in on the conversation; otherwise obscure actions now have clearer motives. I know more about what to expect from my government.
 
 
Sjaak at the Shoe Shop
17:50 / 02.11.05
Money,
I congratulate you on getting rid of the telly (tried to realize it myself some years ago).I am not in charge of this household but we have a good alternative in a post-card size screen. Already helps to reduce TV hours, while still providing me the occasional pleasure of world cup football.

I don't know if I was clear enough, but I was trying to distinguish between collecting information as background (i.e. my ref to Guantanamo) and the constant noise of day-to-day 'information' as provided by for example TV news (i.e. your reference to Delhi). My emphasis is on the first type, where one tries to understand why certain events take place, why actions are shaped. A case example is the Bush administration war mongering regarding Iran. One may recognize it for what it is, see the pattern, raise hell and try to avoid disaster, or silently accept and find oneself in another stupid war..

Secondly, I do not share your cynicism regarding the Jenkins family feast. I believe that passing on awareness of what happens in the world can make a difference. In a similar manner that fashion or a popular band can travel fast by word of mouth, so can ideas.
Take a hypothetical case where the government is going to raise income tax to 80% for self-employed like yourself. If such were to occur I think you would agree that there would be no chance such a tax increase would pass. Why not? Because you would object, at the Jenkins Family Feast or otherwise, and so would others, enough so as to influence decisions in this regard.
 
 
grant
19:50 / 02.11.05
I should add that I don't have broadcast television either, so I may be using "news" in a different way -- I don't hold TV news in that high a regard.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:17 / 03.11.05
Well, my obvious glib answer is "I read news because I am paid to".

But I'm interested in your

The beauty of freedom, eh? Democracy! It's just great, isn't it?

How could one arrive at such a jaded opinion without any sources?

Personally, I think it was Mr Phox who said receiving information is pleasurable. I'm in full agreement with that. I like to know what's going on.

Also, as part of society, where every action has a consequence, I think I'd feel more than a little selfish if I chose to ignore the existence of said consequences. Why recycle/buy ethically sourced foods/avoid stuff that contributes directly to the misery of others/fucks the environmentif you aren't even aware that it's happening?

And yes, were I to be an old woman in Baghdad, it may not help me much in any real sense, but I'd at least like to know WHY and FROM WHOM I was in danger.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:54 / 03.11.05
Also, as part of society, where every action has a consequence, I think I'd feel more than a little selfish if I chose to ignore the existence of said consequences. Why recycle/buy ethically sourced foods/avoid stuff that contributes directly to the misery of others/fucks the environmentif you aren't even aware that it's happening?

That's interesting, as it makes you wonder where you put the bar of "activism". Money $hot says that he is not an activist and as such will not translate anything he might read or hear about on the news into action . but where do you draw the line on an action? We are, for example, not instinctively aware that FairTrade goods have certain benefits - we could read the back of the pack, but that will provide a limited amount of information. So, when Nestlé releases its own diluted version of FairTrade, how do we followthe advantages and disadvantages of it without some understanding of international trade and wealth differentials, which ultimately are communicated through learning about stuff that is happening?

Also, wihout any idea of what is going on, you have no ability to communicate that to other people who may take action - I was listening to a report on climate change legislation in the US on the way into work, and it struck me that, since states tend not to do things without a bit of popular will, presumably pewople have, through discussion, come round to the idea that some regulation of energy consumption and emission release would be in their interest, which is the kind of discussion that you excise yourself from by refusing to follow current events. Mind you, you can qualify that further - say "I don't get anything out of watching the news except a feeling of angst, I have no interest in activism and I do not want to talk about current events with my friends or colleagues", at which point again that argument is not a compelling one.
 
 
Loomis
10:46 / 03.11.05
Maybe you need to distinguish more clearly between types of news and/or quantity of news, Money $hot.

Like you, I feel that there is little to be gained from watching hours of tv news, with endless lists of murders, robberies, earthquakes, interviews where politicians don't answer any questions, etc. But the solution to this doesn't need to be total avoidance of news. In two minutes you can flick through the headlines online and see what's afoot, and places like Barbelith keep you up to date with plenty of important issues. That's how I get my news - it's quick and easy.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:53 / 03.11.05
If I haven't already said as much, then I certainly meant to...

I've qualified (twice, I think) that I am referring here to
i) Broadcast TV
ii) Distributed National Newspapers
 
 
Supersister
15:21 / 03.11.05
Oh good, my uberconscious is clearly plugged into these boards already as I was just shouting at my girlfriend this morning that she should not be upset about the state of the nation on account of the Blunkett affair because news is just Eastenders for the middle classes. (There is clearly something more going on there, as there is with anything coming from New Labour via the BBC. I won't say anything more as I know digression is heavily frowned upon, but innit weird that this case was decided this week http://www.familylaw.co.uk/searchDetail.aspx?artl_id=290
?)

Because regardless of what you do or do not do upon receiving news, it's nice to be able to place events to some extent within a framework of cause and effect and to understand how they've come about, rather than living your life in confusion as weird and inexplicable things turn up out of nowhere to help or hinder you.

I disagree. I often live my life very much this way and it is endlessly reassuring in its consistency, as the above example I hope demonstrates.

My personal problem with TV/ internet news and dailies is the potential for a constant stream of mis- and disinformation. The journalists I have known and loved are often lazy buggers who are more than happy to cobble together a story from dodgy sources or reprint a press release handed to them from Govt or PR firms almost verbatim.

I am certain that news is used to manipulate the public, not only to set the political agenda but also to distract them from discovering what is really going on in the world and from trying to change it. I'd venture (and no doubt someone on here said it last week) that wannabee activists are precisely the people who should avoid accepting the information fed to them via mainstream news. It's just too easy. To know one's enemy, perhaps; It depends what one is activating for.

The main reason I consume news is because people around me will conclude I am ignorant and ill-informed otherwise, which is the greatest sin in my line of work. However, I do have long phases when I just can't stomach it for one reason or another, usually because of the rage it induces, and then I do switch off to preserve my sanity.
 
 
w1rebaby
21:04 / 03.11.05
M$: It's all very well saying that you're specifically talking about TV news and mainstream newspapers, but the arguments so far seem to be concentrating on the idea that any news that doesn't appear to immediately affect you is pointless.

You're not going to have to look very hard to find people saying that network news does not provide you with useful information. So if that's all you're asking, "How and Why do you consume Popular News Media?" then the answer is going to be in the majority of cases "I don't". I personally consume very little; I keep up with it to see what other people are watching, but generally I work on a composite picture drawn from dozens of different sources, each filtered appropriately.

You seem to be saying more than that. It appears that you are saying "why should I care about anything outside of my immediate environment?" And I'm afraid that that does not reflect well on you, because, as other people have pointed out, you are not an island, and your awareness of what is going on around you will affect your decisions and have effects on both yourself and other people. Comments like "The beauty of freedom, eh? Democracy! It's just great, isn't it?" say to me that you are only thinking in terms of either personal power and the myth that anything can be achieved through the legal processes we have. That's shite. Action can be taken that affects things - not just by you, it has to be done collectively - and that can't take place without information. Either you blindly follow what other people are saying, something I would not support, or you make decisions based on what you've learnt and try to help whatever seems appropriate, in which case you need information.

And if you're determined not to engage in any communal effort regardless, I'm afraid that that makes you out to be an asshole.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
06:36 / 04.11.05
Other than your last sentence, fridge (I believe people have the moral right not to engage in society if they so choose... it saddens me that so many people choose to exercise that right, but it's their choice) I'm in total agreement.
 
 
w1rebaby
09:54 / 04.11.05
That might have come out looking a bit meaner than I intended, given that I was trying to be a bit confrontational. I'm not saying that M$ is an arsehole, though I don't know him or her, s/he might be a massive arsehole for all I know. Having priorities is not arseholish. Being busy keeping your head above water and so concentrating mainly on local stuff - that's not bad.

It's just that on the one hand, for example, we've got

The global media telling me about bombs in Delhi - of course it's important, but it exists in my living room only to perpetutate the endless sales of the global media.

but in the same paragraph there's

It doesn't help me, in my view, to know about it. So what? People are killing each other. Again.

So on the one hand, people dying in Delhi is important, but TVNews is only talking about it as disaster porn - on the other hand, it's not important to know about it because it doesn't help the writer. I can understand that somebody might say "this is important but in practice I can't do anything about it", but "this is important but it's not important to me" implies that something might have objective importance but not subjective importance. I'm not quite getting that.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
10:25 / 04.11.05
M$: It's all very well saying that you're specifically talking about TV news and mainstream newspapers, but the arguments so far seem to be concentrating on the idea that any news that doesn't appear to immediately affect you is pointless

Well, not pointless, not at all. But the global reach of the media, and the fact that, on any given day, the sexiest story may well be one which is linked to me by the same level chain of causation that a butterfly's wings may affect a hurricane, and the fact that such stories, in a large number of cases, are inseperable in their news-worthiness from the fact that they are being reported, and globally at that, that is that acts such as the bombings of a market-place in Delhi are instigated, planned and set-up to exploit the reach of the global media, so that it can be in your front room ready for breakfast, and my noticing the gradual sexing up of the story as the day progresses, the cutting away of any fat and chaff to deliver the punchiest, sassiest most narratively pleasing mediation of the events, has lead me, personally, to feel very marketed at, sold to, and as I have already said, I do not know what I am being sold, nor whether I want to buy it...but by watching, I am participating in the supermarket sweep. Nothing else to it...I'm not out to convince you or anyone else that that is a *fact*, just reporting my own feelings and appealing for others to voice theirs...

You're not going to have to look very hard to find people saying that network news does not provide you with useful information.

You really think so? Beyond the 5000-odd members of this community and similar such communities, you think most poeple feel that network news and major newspapers are insufficient or lacking balance?

So if that's all you're asking, "How and Why do you consume Popular News Media?" then the answer is going to be in the majority of cases "I don't".

I call bullshit. Point to this majority.

I personally consume very little; I keep up with it to see what other people are watching, but generally I work on a composite picture drawn from dozens of different sources, each filtered appropriately.

Well done. I guess I do to, excluding the sensation and spectacle of the news networks and print empires who are running profit driven organisations.

You seem to be saying more than that. It appears that you are saying "why should I care about anything outside of my immediate environment?"

Excuse me. Not what I intended. Although, as is often the case, there is a fire beneath that smoke somewhere. I'd hardly frame it as "Why should I care?", and haven't, in fact. But I still ask, "What does it benefit me, or you, or those involved, that I know from a ceaseless stream of mediated reportage about the horrors in the world, unless I am compelled to act and help restore the sitaution to one of harmony and balance?"...I think those who have an answer to that have adequately covered it in this thread already, and I think there was truth and sense in what they said...I think what I have missed is the point of the immersion in the sensation of it all...the daily, even many-times-daily engagement with it which inevitably becomes entertainment.

And I'm afraid that that does not reflect well on you, because, as other people have pointed out, you are not an island, and your awareness of what is going on around you will affect your decisions and have effects on both yourself and other people. Comments like "The beauty of freedom, eh? Democracy! It's just great, isn't it?" say to me that you are only thinking in terms of either personal power and the myth that anything can be achieved through the legal processes we have. That's shite.

Look, I'm sorry, but if you are unable to appreciate the bitter and cynical irony of somebody stating that they feel it was important that they 'Register their disapproval' of the Iraq invasion, and then followed a year and a half of families pulling the shattered bodies of their children out of the rubble of their homes, in tears, in anger, in disbelief, in disgust, then I'm afraid I feel that does not reflect well on *you*.

Action can be taken that affects things - not just by you, it has to be done collectively - and that can't take place without information.

%The Iraq protests being a beautiful illustration of that, I see exactly what you mean.%

Either you blindly follow what other people are saying, something I would not support, or you make decisions based on what you've learnt and try to help whatever seems appropriate, in which case you need information.

Agreed.

And if you're determined not to engage in any communal effort regardless, I'm afraid that that makes you out to be an asshole.

Except I already said I am very much involved in my community, because it's clearly important. I've also written to my MP over various issues, beginning with the scheduling of Psilocybin as a Class A, and onto various things since, and been at plenty of anti-war rallies and so on. I'm not a for a second suggesting that these things are pointless or worthless, nor am I resigned to a Government doing what it pleases because 'it just doesn't make any difference' what I do (although my statements above may come across that way).

Whatever, you know? I just packed in the telly, and don't read the syndicated press. Works for me. You do as you please, and Im sure you don't need a ficsuit on a web discussion board to tell you that.
 
 
w1rebaby
12:35 / 04.11.05
You really think so? Beyond the 5000-odd members of this community and similar such communities, you think most poeple feel that network news and major newspapers are insufficient or lacking balance?

No, I'm talking about Barbelith here.

The Iraq protests are not a good example of the worthlessness of being informed - rather the opposite I would have said. The flaws of the mainstream media, certainly, particularly in the US, where people were treated to the most astounding levels of propaganda, but if people had been better informed, willing to actually take information board, and willing to act on that information en masse, even if that action extended only to expressing disapproval and indicating that they would vote for someone else, we would be in a different state to how we are today.

A protest march is after the fact and expecting one march, no matter how large, to magically change government policy is silly. This stuff takes years. How long did it take for protests to affect Vietnam? Without all the marches, the placards, the campaigns, the bitching, the repetition of the same old facts, not letting it die, none of which individually makes much difference, do you really think we'd be in the same state we are today, more importantly with the same prospects?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
13:03 / 04.11.05
The flaws of the mainstream media, certainly, particularly in the US, where people were treated to the most astounding levels of propaganda

Are you American?

See, I know the US news is a disgrace and all, but as far as I can tell, after 9/11, the vast majority of Americans were on a mission to get reliable and worthy information, and to find out TEH TRUTH1! Although this became subsumed and consumed by the Anne Coulters and her ilk, and general witch-hunting within the mainstream media, still it is a mistake to assume that Americans are docile zombie idiots passively lapping up Fox news while we sophisticated Others trawl a wide range of sources for information about our world.

And, propoganda? Of course. The US were attacked on their own soil, and the administration wanted blood. Badly. Even if it was the innocent blood of the wrong nation, blood had to be spilled. Vietnam was a massively different affair, because the protests did not precede the invasion. The pressure here was in direct opposition to a massive campaign of deception trying to galvanise the country into taking internationally illegal action against a state that posed no direct nor indirect threat, and was at the time not being aggressive. I think comparisonbs with Vietnam, as regards this particular thread, are specious.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
13:05 / 04.11.05
A protest march is after the fact

Not the one I myself, and one and a half million other people went on, including many 'lithoids. Which one are you referring to?
 
 
w1rebaby
13:33 / 04.11.05
I lived in the US for two years, Sept 2002 to Nov 2004, a period covering the run up to and aftermath of the invasion of Iraq, right up to Bush's re-election. I spent a lot of time looking at the US media and pretty much all of the mainstream was an utter disgrace. Forget FOX; I am talking about CNN, the New York Times etc etc. Anti-war spokespeople, demos etc were routinely sidelined or just ignored; you might get some token guy asked to justify his entire position from first principles while being interrupted and sneered at by a White House flack, and then after that it was straight back to breathless descriptions of impending military action and the latest lie about Saddam.

My observation was that people were indeed looking for information, very much so, but unfortunately there were far too many people willing to give out easy answers wherever you looked. In places where there wasn't such unity amongst the political ruling class in support of the attack, such as the UK, a wider range of information was easier to obtain, though from the information I got at the time it was still quite bad here. Regardless, at the time you had to examine and question everything, even if you didn't read the papers and watch network news, because other people did and you'd be talking to them, getting information from them, facing their arguments. It becomes part of the media atmosphere and you can't get away from it without living in a barrel.

Now that there's increasing disquiet within the ruling class about the situation, the media has started to get a bit more bold; they seem a lot more willing to question and criticise, though not willing enough.

Iraq was not about wanting blood. Afghanistan could have been seen as partially to satisfy something like that but the motivations in attacking Iraq can't, though the association was encouraged, with Hussein and 9/11 constantly linked by innuendo and simply repeating the names in the same sentence a lot. And in any case, while there are obviously a lot of differences between America in the 60s and America now, the wars concerned etc etc the point is that activism/protest takes a long time to have any effect. It's incremental. It doesn't always work at all for that matter. Saying "oh well we're still in Iraq what difference has it made might as well not have done anything at all" is ignoring that. There has definitely been a change in attitude, not nearly enough but there has been.
 
 
w1rebaby
13:44 / 04.11.05
Not the one I myself, and one and a half million other people went on, including many 'lithoids. Which one are you referring to?

You can't protest something before you hear about it. Plans were laid out, preparations were made etc. The actual physical invasion was a pretty important landmark of course (though there was a load of bombing beforehand, and the sanctions could be said to have been a lead-in as well) but you could say the same for the "election", the "referendum on the constitution" etc. At all of these points people have said "oh well that didn't work might as well give up", egged on by pundits and politicians saying "it's over, we're there now, stop living in the past".

Actually I'd probably rephrase that previous post if I wrote it again.
 
 
Axolotl
13:44 / 04.11.05
Money $hot: Yes, the protest march didn't achieve its aim, but that's no good reason not to try. As for the irony behind my comments, I was deliberately understating my views earlier as this thread isn't about opposition to the Iraq war, but about why people think being informed is important.
If nothing else if you think the government's actions are deplorable now, imagine what they'd be like if they didn't have to worry about public opinion, directed in part by the news. Small example, without the media & people paying attention to that media, Blunkett would still be Home Secretary, or at very least working at the DWP.
Is our current system the best possible? No. Does it always give the best possible, or even a desirable, response? No. Would it be much worse without the political involvement of the people (which in my opinion cannot be exercised effectively without information)? Yes.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
14:29 / 04.11.05
ALl true, and I didn't mean to sneer at you in any way...I guess I'm just feeling particularly pummeled and cycnical in the face of the Darkness of the system-as-it-stands.

I'm dealing with enormous levels of utter disgust at the political process, however much better than all the others it may be, and particularly beaten up by the media invasion through TV (which is gone...ahhhhhhhhhhhh!).

No beef, people, I respect fully your position here, and maybe when I've had some time off from the constant presence I was hitherto immersed in, I'll feel a bit better about it.

Anyway, viva Barbelith, for being a good sounding board and place to work through things of this ilk. However stale it may get sometimes, there's life in the auld dog yet.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:32 / 04.11.05
expecting one march, no matter how large, to magically change government policy is silly. This stuff takes years

Totally. Does anyone really believe Mr Tony wouldn't be up against the wall to the degree he is were it not for public outcry against the invasion of Iraq, and its representation within his own party? Yeah, nobody managed to stop the invasion, not even Robin Cook, but public opposition and opposition within the Labour party have been major factors in pulling the rug from under him.

Sorry... please feel free to get back on-topic. I'll just sit here and eat the canapes.
 
 
whothehell@where?
21:31 / 06.11.05
what's a canape?

everybody who was blessed with the time and ability to read the NYTimes A section cover to cover daily in early 2003 knew the invasion of iraq would be an illegal invasion, and all twelve of us tried to spread the word, but everybody was too busy trying to get the magic cloak to respawn and scouring the p2ps for some bit of porn they hadn't ejaculated to yet, what good does it do to read a foreign affairs issue dedicated to avian flu if the average jerkoff thinks he can contract it eating at KFC? why does anyone care if nepalese communists call for cease fires or kashmiri seperatists knit sweaters for postage stamps? no idea where that came from...

answer: some of us get off on the massiveness of it all, so much death, disease, rape, starvation, exploitation, repression, so much humanity raging daily, what better way to learn about yourself
 
 
Unconditional Love
23:32 / 06.11.05
My own objection to media is based upon the self governence of self awareness, i wish to control as best as i can in the environment i live within the content of my own awareness, not total control, but some degree of control of my own self awareness.

I find streamed media programs particularly invasive of my own self awareness and believe they have a self perpetuating agenda with regards to current social issues that are to be consumed and the possible combinations of political opinions i can assume in relation to various issues.

I tend to see media and the mediation process in general as personality construction kits, in that the idea of media is to self identify with information, so that this collection of words becomes my opinion or somehow is me.
It would be my contention that the self is not information.

I would hold that media acts as part of a language based socialisation process to keep an idea of an information based self reflection construct at the root of of identity within human consciousness. (quickly take off the paranoia hat)

I still construct a self narrative out of media and personal experience, but the interaction is self governed to the best degree i can, choice in the consumption of media is imperative to the governence of ones own self awareness, this process is much harder to undertake when news is not based on your choice, but whats important to your self awareness is being decided by somebody with there own agenda.

My reasoning rests upon the idea that my self awareness is my own to govern and not to be governed by informational agencies with there own agendas.
 
 
whothehell@where?
23:37 / 06.11.05
micromanagement
 
 
Unconditional Love
23:59 / 06.11.05
The macromanagers have bred deep seated insecurity within me, plus unfortunately for me i was once a media student, a social engineer in training.

Their is more truth in a good hard smack in the face,
mediating the effects are less painful.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:11 / 07.11.05
Try this experiment (easier now most newspapers are online)- for a week, read ALL the nationals. Everything- news, business, sports, comment...
Seriously, try it (I do this for a living, so it was kind of easy for me... but you'd be surprised at the results).
 
 
Supaglue
11:05 / 07.11.05
Stoat, do you find you've become apathetic being constantly bombarded with news?
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:32 / 07.11.05
How do I consume the news? I listen to the BBC or XFM to and from work. I generally buy a copy of the Guardian to read whilst I'm at work. Television-wise I watch the Beeb or Channel 4 news in the evening. Plus I watch Fox News in order to know just how much terror there is in the world ("Oop, Terror Warning is elevated? Better take a brolly when I go out.").

Oh, and New Scientist for science and technology news (obviously).

Why do I consume the news? Generally because I feel that there is very little going on the world that is completely inconsequential to me. Most of the news I see/hear/read has some level of relevance to me. Okay, the news that a car bomb has gone off in Iraq does not affect me physically. However, as a citizen of one of the countries that invaded the region, I feel a responsibility to monitor that situation as best I can.

Obviously that's just one example out of many. But I do feel very strongly that just because something doesn't impact on me directly it doesn't necessarily follow that it has no effect on me at all.

Unfortunately, because I can't work and spend the entire day researching the political situation in, (for instance) Kashmir, I have to rely to one extent or another on media organisations. Now being a partially intelligent person I am aware that these organisations have their own agenda to push (be it political or just to sell papers). This awareness means that I won't automatically accept a statement at face value. I will check on a second and third media source to see what parts of the report marry up. Even then I am smart enough to understand that there are certain factors that may influence a certain report (military secrecy, a harsh regime's propaganda machine, etc).

I get that the occasional detox from news is important. I normally don't buy papers or watch news on Sundays. But if I happen to catch a report then so be it.

I don't personally feel total isolation from the media machine is a good idea. Surely it's possible just to reduce the amount of news you watch if you're feely over-exposed? Perhaps even something as basic as reading the headlines on the newspapers in a newsagents is enough.
 
 
Unconditional Love
16:25 / 07.11.05
Well okay ive started this experiment today, so far the guardian, independent and times, they are really disturbing except the times womens section had a great article about a guy who made shoes, that was fantastic, flowing with passion, childhood memories of shoes and all. Alot of main news headlines i found so depressing i ended up back in bed sleeping wanting to turn the nasty world off and make all the fucking arseholes go away somewhere.

So much fear, depression, anxiety and general immorality all on one screen in one place i wonder about the exsistence of demons.

Hope the guy continues making shoes and being so passionate about them, he made shoes for lizards and monkeys, really fascinating.

I'll try again tommorrow, yahoo news i think, see how that is.
 
 
w1rebaby
16:29 / 07.11.05
Honestly, I don't have time to read all the papers cover to cover, or the websites start to end, not every day. I get a whole load of the articles mixed up in my various RSS feeds, from Google News and linked to from forums and blogs, but that's not going to be the same...
 
 
quixote
17:09 / 07.11.05
The news in the US has been so disgusting for so long that before the last presidential election, I'd find myself compulsively reading news (newspapers, blogs) on the off chance I might see the first signs of dawn somewhere in there.

That didn't happen.

There was zero I could do, all it did was depress me, so I boycotted it for months after the last election. Then (these things are an addiction), I started sneaking peeks again. There still doesn't seem to be any hope, though.

TV news in the US is propaganda. I used to subscribe to the LA Times, which has some phenomenal reporting (all depressing, of course), and I check the web for BBC, Kinght Ridder, and selected blogs.

Why, I don't know.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:56 / 07.11.05
Stoat, do you find you've become apathetic being constantly bombarded with news?

For a while I did, then I became aware of this happening- now it seems to have the opposite effect. Unfortunately, this means I am constantly angry about EVERYTHING.

The cover-to-cover news experiment (well, that wasn't why I did it, obviously) will give you a whole new perspective- for example, it's received knowledge (and, for that matter, TRUTH!) that the Mail are a bunch of fascists (dating back to the days of Lord Rothermere and his mate Adolf)- but it was only when I started reading THE WHOLE THING that I realised just HOW nasty a publication it is- it's not just the shock headlines about asylum seekers eating our donkeys, or the Melani Phillips Two Minutes Of Hate- this shit is so all-pervasive that there is nothing in there that isn't loaded, even in stuff you'd think was just straight reportage, like the business news, once your eyes accustom to the gloom. It's hard to put into words, but the Mail is more evil than you think. The Telegraph are a bunch of commies in comparison.
 
 
whothehell@where?
22:21 / 07.11.05
sounds like the new york post
 
 
Evil Scientist
06:49 / 08.11.05
Perhaps I'm just an extremely jaded person but this concept that the news is nothing but death, pain, and anguish seems a little OTT.

Front page of the Guardian today mentions nothing about death, pain, or anguish. Top story is about the 90 day detention bill, and comment about Sir Meyer's revelations about the government's relationship with Washington in the run up to the Iraq invasion.

Okay, bit depressing if you're sensitive to that kind of thing. But reading further we see that there is massive opposition to the 90 day law in the ranks of Labour itself (cool). The Meyer's excerpts aren't exactly a revelation (politicians are a bunch of suck-ups, ooh big shock).

Other stuff...ITV offering a massive sum to buy Friends Reunited, 12 women agreeing to spend 60 days motionless to investigate the effects of space travel, Australia foils a terrorist attack (which is surely good news rather than bad), black investors get a stake in the De Beers diamond company (neat), and dull sports news.

Not really a never-ending stream of demonic influence.

Again, might just be me.
 
  

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