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Tryphena Absent
20:53 / 26.10.05
I signed up to the organ donors register tonight and wondered if anyone else had done this? It took me a few weeks to get round to it, I had to think about whether I was psychologically okay with the idea of people walking around with parts of me inside them and then get over the nerves around the idea that I might be tempting fate. But then tonight I had a chat with my flatmate about the NHS and asked my partner if I was really tempting fate (he said no) and I just thought, fuck it, sign up now you idiot. The reasons not to seemed pathetic and a card just doesn't hack it.

Anyway I thought some of the British barbelith members might not be on the register and might not realise how easy it is to put your name down so I've linked to it above.
 
 
■
21:12 / 26.10.05
Done, and unless you're betting on a good old Zoroastrian air burial and you think you might be starving some birds, I see now reason why you shouldn't. Big important bit, though, is to ensure you tell your parents or next of kin your wishes, or your dead wishes no matter how well registered don't count for shit.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
21:13 / 26.10.05
In theory, I think this is a generous and good idea. In practice I can't get past the problem of disconnecting my parts from each other post-life. Just...feels...wrong. I'm fundamentally opposed to cremation as well.
Good for you tho! Well done.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
21:19 / 26.10.05
Lucky not everyone thinks like you or my Mother would be dead. She had 2 liver transplants first failed second didn't thankfully.
I find it very difficult to be sympathetic to the argument that people won't donate organs after death 'cos it makes them feel weird or some shit. Your gonna slowly rot in the ground for fucks sake! Give 'em up you freaks.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:35 / 26.10.05
They offer you an e-card to inform someone/get them to sign the register so I sent one to my parents.

I really think it's important to get over the ick factor, there comes a time when you have to face the fact that death is non-existence whether on this planet or at all and we're not going to be in our bodies. I've specified to my next of kin that I want a green funeral if it's financially possible but I don't need my organs to go into the bio system more than they need to go into another person. The first step in this is to work out what your ideas about your body are, where you want it to go when you die, I think the ability to make a decision like organ donation comes out of that idea of your body and not before it.
 
 
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21:51 / 26.10.05
I can't get past the problem of disconnecting my parts from each other post-life.

Worms, bacteria and fungus will do that quite efficiently whether you want them to or not. They'll do it to whomever you donate to as well, in time. The end result is the same. Even if you believe in an afterlife you'll only be waiting 10-20 years of an eternity for bits to catch up.
Brushing your hair, clipping your nails, going to the toilet and breathing all shed bits of you - you don't worry about doing those, do you?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
22:02 / 26.10.05
I'm just surprised that they'll transplant my organs when they won't take my blood. Maybe they're just pretending.

Right about making your wishes explicit. It's horrible to have to go and ask relatives for permission to harvest an organ and even more horrible for the bereaved family or n.o.k. to contemplate. I've known people who worked in the transplant field themselves refuse permission when asked when grieving. At any other time they'd have been more rational about it but any other time is of no use.

I hope your next move will be to bequeath your shoe collection to the V&A, Nina.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:07 / 26.10.05
It only seems respectful to everyone else to tell both the system and your family that you're going to be okay with it when you're alive. If your relatives decide they can't bear it when the moment comes then you're not going to mind it (you'll be dead) but it might make a momentary decision a lot easier at crunch point.
 
 
Triplets
23:34 / 26.10.05
Think about it this way: You get to be like Frankenstein. Sort of. Ace.
 
 
Cailín
01:50 / 27.10.05
Don't know how it works elsewhere, but here (Ontario, Canada) there is a box on the organ donor card allowing you to donate your body to a school of anatomy, in the event that your organs can't be used. My organs will likely end up in the reject pile due to past illness, so I checked that other box while I was at it. Seems a good idea to let somebody tinker around in here, figure out how stuff works, and maybe figure out what didn't work so well. I hope my student gives me a cool name, like Jezebel or Kane, but they'll probably call me Lurlene.
 
 
astrojax69
04:28 / 27.10.05
i always rather like the idea of donating myself to that german guy does plastination...

or to the us forensic unit leaves bodies out in a field and tracks the decomposition rate...

the wonders of modernity and death rites..! : )
 
 
Mourne Kransky
07:25 / 27.10.05
There was a Liberal Peer a few years back who created a great stramash by willing his body to be made into cat food. I have no concerns whatsoever about what happens to the empty shell left over once I die. I guess lots of people do, though.

They should issue organ donation cards with motor bike purchases. Disproportionately large number of healthy young men addicted to speed end up donating organs via that route.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:10 / 27.10.05
Bravo Nina for providing that link. I always intend to sign up as a doner when I'm giving blood, but either forget or throw the leaflet out with a load of other stuff. I've signed up now, and will happily parasitise any poor sap that gets my liver.

Out of interest, do many other Barbeloids donate blood? It's painless (relatively) and you don't need to do it very often. Plus there's free biccies and crisps.

I think it's the only civic minded thing I do.
 
 
Jub
08:23 / 27.10.05
Aye - seconded. Thanks for the link. Will sign up at lunch.

I give blood regularly... every 4 months? (next one Nov 3rd at 1pm!!) - but am too much of a wuss to consider bone marrow - apparently it hurts, although people need that too.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
08:31 / 27.10.05
Have been a donour ever since I held a drivers license. I even had a discussion with my parents about whether I should put my eyes up for donation on the grounds that they aren't 20/20. Apparently it's just better to let the surgeons decide.

I can understand the ick factor of having stuff taken from your body and put in someone else's but for those naysayers out there, consider your opinion if the roles were reversed. If next year a congenital heart defect shows up giving you a life expectancy of one year, are you going to say "someone elses heart? eeeew, I'd rather die" or "what are you waiting for doc, lovemuscleexchangepatrolgo like the motherfucking wind matey"?
 
 
Axolotl
08:38 / 27.10.05
I donate blood (though less often than I should) and used to have a donor card but I don't know what happened to it. While I have no problem with donating my organs (with the exception of my eyes) I'd prefer not to end up in some teaching hospital. Both those restrictions are based on nothing more than superstition I guess, but for some reason they make me uneasy.
 
 
Ariadne
08:43 / 27.10.05
Done. I've intermittently carried a card, and I did say in my will that I want to - but by the time anyone gets round to finding that I'll be all mouldy and rotten. So this is good - thanks Nina.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:46 / 27.10.05
(with the exception of my eyes)

There is something about the thought of having your eyes taken away that seems to affect people much more so than the thought of donating a liver or a heart after they've died. I have to admit that, when I was younger, that was what put me off being a doner.

The way I see it these days is, if I'm irreversibly brain-damaged or in a vegetative state with no hope of recovery, then I'm probably not coming back. Even if I am I'm not likely to be in a position to lament losing my eyes.

Hell, even if I miraculously recover all my faculties, I'd take the loss of my eyes as a fair trade.

Then I'd spend the days scaring small children with my blood-red false eyes!
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
09:42 / 27.10.05
I can understand the ick factor of having stuff taken from your body and put in someone else's

This is something I've never honestly been able to relate to. We're nothing more miraculous than bio-chemical machines, so I really can't see why anyone would have an aversion to the idea - upon the event of their death - of their spare parts being used to replace the dysfunctional parts of a living body. Indeed, I'd have thought that the idea that parts of you could improve, or perhaps even save, another person would override any concerns about not 'being whole' as you bio-degrade back to a nutrient-rich mush.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:03 / 27.10.05
For me it was always the idea that if I had a soul, just on the off-chance, it might get trapped in someone else's body. Very much a children's horror story but I think it's a common fear.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:08 / 27.10.05
I've got to hold my hand up here and say that I quite like the idea of my organs living on in another's body. Not in any kind of spiritual sense, but in the sense that there is something that has survived beyond my death. My heart beating in another's chest. My liver (if some poor bastard is unlucky enough to get it) gifting it's new owner with a level of alcohol tolerance they've never known before.

It's always been the same with blood donation. Although I'm an atheist, I like the idea of my blood, the metaphorical essence of my life, strengthening another. Maybe they even dream my dreams on occasion (and then wake up screaming). Fanciful thoughts.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
10:41 / 27.10.05
For me it was always the idea that if I had a soul, just on the off-chance, it might get trapped in someone else's body

The problem there, obviously, is in considering just where your soul resides, if it can even be said to reside anywhere tangible, but donating an eye or a limb or an organ doesn't transfer any part that is you spiritually, intellectually, or consciously.

I just can't see the human body as anything other than a collection of squishy machine parts, albeit a collection of very clever, very complex squishy machine parts.

Just out of interest, and this goes equally for everyone who is an organ doner, why did you choose to sign up? Was it a moral decision? An intellectual one? Both? Neither?
 
 
William Sack
10:59 / 27.10.05
Don't know how it works elsewhere, but here (Ontario, Canada) there is a box on the organ donor card allowing you to donate your body to a school of anatomy, in the event that your organs can't be used.

I gather that the position in the UK is that there is a huge disparity between supply and demand: - loads of people donate their bodies to medical science, but not very many medical schools actually use cadavers any more to teach anatomy.

I gave up booze a few years ago after pushing my liver to the limit, but I gather that livers get better pretty quickly. But I only gave up smoking 4 months ago after about 18 years of 20-a-day. I'm happy to give any of my organs away, but are my lungs actually of any use to anyone?
 
 
Ariadne
11:08 / 27.10.05
Depends how bad their own lungs are. My eyes, similarly, are quite rubbish - but if someone can't see at all, they might be glad of ..... actually, that's a point. Do they DO eye transplants?? I've never heard of that. Maybe it's just corneas and lenses and bits-of eye? Eurgh.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:17 / 27.10.05
Maybe it's just corneas and lenses and bits-of eye? Eurgh.

Looking at the site Nina links to upthread, yes it is currently corneas (at least that's all that was mentioned). Apparently cornea transplants were among the first to be successfully completed. Which makes sense I suppose, as that part of the eye can't be very active antigenically speaking.

Eye transplants really hit the squeemish trigger don't they. Even though I'm cool with it, it does give me a bit of a shiver thinking about it. Still, on the bright side I'll be too dead to care.

Presumably they'll take the lungs of a smoker, there's nothing about it on the application form or in the FAQ. But I suppose you could call them and find out.
 
 
Jub
11:50 / 27.10.05
Done! yay. Feel better already. Thanks again for the link Nina.

Have applied for the bone marrow pack too while the link was there! So double bonus.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:06 / 27.10.05
why did you choose to sign up? Was it a moral decision? An intellectual one? Both? Neither?

A little of everything really. I just feel that if I'm not using my organs and someone else is dying because they don't have a heart, liver or anything else than I have a social responsibility to allow them the chance to try mine. In part it's a moral decision but really an intellectual one because I had to really defeat my own superstition in order to put my name on the register. I've always believed in organ donation but I'm naturally incredibly squeamish- when people describe diseases to me I feel nauseous- I don't give blood because I feel physically faint everytime I have an injection. I'm obsessed with stopping (unnecessary) blood from exiting my body and my greatest fear is having an operation. I'm hoping that I'll be able to defeat that eventually- I may sign up, go along and try a little harder to get through the door everytime.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:08 / 28.10.05
So far I haven't put my name down for the simple reason that it would probably be my immediate family who'd have to make the final call, so I'd have to talk it through with them. This is problematic, in that my immediate family think that putting your name down on the organ donor's register will allow a sinister cabal of health-care professionals and rich businessmen to wallop you over the head and nick your kidneys without let or hindrance. All attempts to disabuse them of this notion have hitherto failed.

Still, might have a chat with my partener about it soon. Not sure how things work in Spain.
 
 
Persephone
13:34 / 28.10.05
I never really gave it a second thought. Take whatever you want & burn me up, I say.

I just started blood donations, too. I just got my donor card, and I'm inordinately pleased that my blood type is A Positive. I have A+ blood!
 
 
Sekhmet
13:43 / 28.10.05
I'm looking at my driver's license and am confused. There used to be a line on these that said DONOR: and then either YES or NO. Mine said DONOR: YES.

That line appears to have vanished from the newer cards, so now I have no idea if I'm on a donor list anymore. I should check into that.

Thanks, Nina; otherwise I might never have noticed. Good topic, BTW.

I hope my student gives me a cool name, like Jezebel or Kane, but they'll probably call me Lurlene.

My dad named his cadaver Orville, after the Wright brother. I was always amused by that.
 
 
Ariadne
13:46 / 28.10.05
Orville, to me, is a bright green and very annoying bird-puppet.
 
 
Katherine
14:07 / 28.10.05
I used to give blood unfortunately due to medical reasons I can't do so anymore. But it's something that I do mention to friends/family, a lot of people (people I know) don't give blood due to 'the time it takes'. That does annoy me as it doesn't really take that long, I have always used it as a time I can go and read a book.

As for the whole organ donar thing, I have a card and next of kin know I want my organs donated after I'm gone (I have no use for them afterall) but my Mum is very anti about it so if I go before she does, I'm going to have to hope that either my sister or Dad gets in first and says yes for me.
I'm not sure whether signing up to the organ donars register changes the fact they have to ask or get a next of kin's signature. If it did then I would do it as it means my wishes would definately be taken up.
 
 
Loomis
14:27 / 28.10.05
I just signed up. I don't care what happens to me once I've croaked so whoever wants me can have me. Just like in life really.

I'm confused as to how it works though. What's this next of kin crap? If I get run over this evening and they need the organs, they might call Ariadne, whose business card is in my wallet. She's not my next of kin as we're not married. Would she have to give them my parents' number in Sydney so they can call and ask them? And how would they know they were actually speaking to my parents? And how long would this take? Organs have to be harvested (horrible word - brrrr) in short order, don't they?

Does the register bypass all this? Ariadne pointed out yesterday that there's no proof it's really you registering. In fact you could register all your friends (and enemies) on it without them knowing.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
07:03 / 29.10.05
Had to come back to this a few days later to quell my irritation at being called a freak by Barbelith. I've been called worse of course for my ideas/beliefs on various topics, but mostly by right wing, redneck, religious fanatic types. Did I miss the part in the regulations of the board which state that I must agree and and adhere to whatever opinions become majority here? I hope I miss that small print forever.
Also feel compelled to explain that while I do (as I said before) think that organ donation is indeed a fantastic act of generousity, and one which I don't choose to take part in, the "ick factor" has nothing whatever to do with my reluctance. I'm quite ok with the more visceral aspects of life and death actually. One of the most interesting points of my life involved assisting our vet remove, repair and replace the eyeball from my badly injured dog and learning four different types of stitches to sew up the other parts of her.(new year's day,bad dog fight, vet had no other helper)I've also unfortunately had to handle human death hands on and it was personal.
My reluctance to my own organ donation has much more to do with the bureacracy involved, including the fact that in some places, such as my own Amerika, I understand that a huge amount of donations go to waste because HMO's and traditional health insurance won't pay for the costs involved in typing, matching, transfering and implanting said organs.
Beyond the bureacracy, I do have personal belief issues which may seem irrelevent to you, but mean a lot to me. Having said that, if my little girl needed something from me, I'd happily die for her to have it; no doubting my own hypocrisy there.
Perhaps an alternative situation could both further this argument and the usefullness of generosity? I've heard of people leaving a proportion of money specifically to be used by organ donor organizations to assist people who cannot afford to buy their needed part/s(or pay for the other monumental costs that ill health can bring about for sufferers and their families) to avoid the problem of greedy insurance organizations. One could also go so far as to give up something one doesn't really need while still living to sell and pass on that money to help cover such costs? Why wait til death, eh?
Obviously blood donation is incredilby usefull as is volunteer work with people and animals who are sick or in need of something a healthy person can give.
So there are my little points. Wonder what offensive names I'll get called now?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:20 / 31.10.05
Well it's rather difficult to accept your desire not to have your organs removed as at all reasonable when you won't tell us why.
 
  

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