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Marvel Comics To Publish Stephen King's The Dark Tower

 
  

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mr Squiggle
08:47 / 29.10.05
I hardly watch tv let alone US tv so Im glad I didnt miss an injoke of something I should have known about.
Yeah Duncan I know who THE Jae Lee is, hes almost the only reason I buy superhero comics & Im glad that this will mean I get to read a non superhero Jae Lee comic. Also should mean more recognition & royalty money should he hopefully choose do do his own stuff after this is over (much delayed Hellshock collection should be out any month now...)
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:10 / 29.10.05
As long as they're not those bulky kind with plastic harpoon-missile guns.

("Gilead won't know what in the hell just hit it! From Toy Biz!")

I wonder if they'd actually make Odetta Holmes figures. That would have to be some kind of landmark event. The first wheelchair bound, half-legless action figure? Could you even really make Dark Tower action figures? "I want to relive The Slow Mutants!" It's just so dark. Although if they made Watchmen figures (have they?) they could make these. "Take that you whore! I'm the Comedian!" "Billy? Did I just hear breaking glass?" "Shut up, Mom! You whore!"

Anyway.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
16:45 / 29.10.05
it's a little worrisome, because I'm not quite sure how nice the Marvel figures are these days. But the DC Direct figures are really tasteful and accurate. There have been incredibly nice figures for Planetary, Kingdom Come, Authority, etc. I haven't bought any of these, but I always see them at the store and try to convince myself that I really do have a place for them in my apartment.

So, who knows how nice the Marvel ones could be...but with King overseeing this in a way, I'm sure they will be done right, because he seems to be pretty controlling about these things.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:11 / 01.11.05
I have not been so excited about a project since the graphic novel in which the dark future of the world of James Herbert's The Rats was revealed through the curclicued vision of Ian Miller.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:30 / 01.11.05
Not that it'll stop me buying this, but doesn't anyone else think having it not written by King himself would make very little sense in the context of the story?
 
 
matthew.
21:18 / 01.11.05
If you mean with the metafiction angle, I know what you mean. But one could argue that it works out even better. In the second to last novel, Song of Susannah, King downplays his role in the creation of the story. Roland even says that King is not the God of the universe, merely a teller of tales. King's use of literary allusions could be said to minimalize the author/God complex. It's more like a collective unconscious. (Who was that guy who believed in a wealth of common symbols? Barthes? Am I wrong?)

So, if in the comics, it gets to King's role, they could wink at the reader and show that King (the character) has even less of a role as an author/God than in prose.

But, that's all IMHO.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
14:10 / 02.11.05
do we need to be careful of Dark Tower novels spoilers in this thread?
 
 
The Falcon
13:43 / 07.11.05
Hate to shite in yr shampoo, Ben &c. but:

QUESTION: What can you tell us of Stephen King's Dark Tower?

ANSWER: It's the untold stories from the Dark Tower mythos. Jae Lee is doing the art. Stephen King has been to the office a few times, but the comic is in its early stages right now and we're not sure how involved he will be in the miniseries.


via Jog.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:53 / 07.11.05
eh.

Doesn't really bother me. As long as the stories originated from his head, and are "canon," then I'm totally find with someone else doing the writing.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:28 / 07.11.05
Anybody else, or would you draw the line at "somebody else who is any cop at writing"? That is, is its status as canon or its status as any good whatsoever the important part here?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:53 / 07.11.05
well, i didn't exactly say "anybody else," now did i?

I'd be hard pressed to buy it if Frank Miller or Chuck Austen or...(yeah, sacrilege) Chris Claremont were writing it. But, say, if John Ney Reiber was writing it, that would be fine. As much as I like Bendis on Powers and a few other things, I'd hate to see him writing it.

I'm trying to think of an ideal writer for it, and the closest I can come is Reiber or Mike Carey from Lucifer.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:58 / 07.11.05
my main point with it being 'canon' is that DT is such a personal thing of King's, that seeing someone else's elaboration of it would feel odd, as if it was someone interpreting his ideas.

but from reading the articles about it, it appears to be closer to the relationship that (yes, i know) Robert Jordan has with the comic adaptation of New Spring, his Wheel of Time prequel. He isn't writing it, but is involved in overseeing it to the extent that it doesn't deviate from his original vision.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
18:36 / 07.11.05
Well, where is the gap between canon and who's writing it? They are part and parcel. If he's not writing it, it's not canon.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:35 / 07.11.05
That's silly.

Larry Kasdan wrote The Empire Strikes Back from a plot by George Lucas: would you suggest that Empire isn't Star Wars canon?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
20:03 / 07.11.05
That's even sillier. Stephen King wrote The Dark Tower by himself, every word, every line of dialogue. Comparing that to the gargantuan undertaking that is the creation of a major motion picture (and after watching that new EIII documentary, it's clear that the shooting script is about 5% of the storytelling process in a Star Wars film, for good or ill) is incredibly reductive and quite silly. If Stephen King doesn't end up writing these additional stories in The Dark Tower saga, to me personally, they aren't canon. The Star Wars novels (to modify your original comparison into a less silly form) are obviously not canon. If Lucas decided to show Han on Kashyyk, he easily could have, and totally demolish a whole bunch of EU continuity.

Dark Tower is obviously a slippier slope. Who came up with the story's detail? How much did King have to do with it? If he ends up not writing the final dialogue, it will probably be a bit like my experience reading Ultimate X-Men as drawn by the Kuberts. At that time, Millar was also putting out The Authority as drawn by Quitely. So I tended to imagine the UXM stories as if he was drawing them as well (for example, that splash page where Magneto chucks a train at the X-Men). If anyone else ends up writing the dialogue (and no, I can't think of anyone who'd do a decent job, mainly because King doesn't really have a concrete style as far as dialogue goes. The King Style mostly manifests itself in the prose; the one sentence paragraph at the end of a section, to name one effective example. Chances are there won't be too much narration. I hope there won't be, at least.) I'll probably just try and dig out the kernel of the story, that he presumably provided, and try to suss out exactly how rad it might've been had he written it.

Honestly, it all boils down to this being a very specific instance. The Dark Tower is not a fantasy series with off camera events that could easily be filled in later by anyone. ("Like that bounty hunter we ran into in Ord Mandell.") Jericho Hill, for example, was only touched on, but it was done that way deliberately, not to leave the door open for a Bill Willingham mini-series. The Little Sisters Of Eluria, which I suppose would be the best example of what this is supposed to be, was a short story written by King and thus, is very clearly what he visualized happening to these characters.

A mini-series merely conceived by him is just that, merely an idea of what an actual Dark Tower story telling those events could be.

The Dark Tower is not The Wheel Of Time or The Lord Of The Rings. King did not, before starting the novels, craft elaborate back story notes that anyone could fill in after he died. Everything (quite obviously) grew organically over the course of writing the novels and thus any disruption of that organic process pretty clearly seperates it from The Dark Tower proper.

Has anyone else who's read the books make this clearer to those who haven't? Because, having read the books, it's blindingly obvious to me, so I can't be certain I'm doing the best job at clarifying my position.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:45 / 07.11.05
I sort of agree with you in your analysis of why these will be less canon than the original novels if King doesn't write them. But, from what I've read the story ideas originate with him and are sanctioned by him. That makes it closer to "canon" to me.

Basically, I think you are perfectly correct, but I'm finding I don't really mind the arrangement here...

I'm not sure why, perhaps I'm seduced by the Jae Lee art that has been shown. It could be horrible and step all over the novels... or it could be nice side story in the same universe. From my limited understanding of what kind of person King is, I imagine he won't let things get out of hand in terms of what is being put down on paper (unlike Lucas, who gave way to millions of continuity errors and horrendously conceived stories by opening the door so much to SW side stories).

It's a good discussion to have.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
20:49 / 07.11.05
Oh, I'll absolutely read the shit out of them, just to see Jae Lee draw Alain and Susan Delgado (I picture her these days as Kristen "Veronica Mars" Bell). I'm certainly eager to read them, I just won't be putting the hardcovers on the same shelf, if you catch my meaning.
 
 
matthew.
02:09 / 11.11.05
Yotsuba & Benjamin! - brilliant post.

I think you are making this painfully clear. After King had his car accident, letters flooded in, asking him to reveal the ending of the Dark Tower, just in case he dies. He replied rather truthfully, "I just don't know."

I thought your post was brilliant.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:44 / 11.11.05
From my limited understanding of what kind of person King is, I imagine he won't let things get out of hand in terms of what is being put down on paper

See, I'd like to think that, but having seen some of the movies that have been allowed to use his name... "The Lawnmower Man", anyone? (Although I seem to remember he may have made a statement absolving himself of all responsibility for that one).
 
 
Jack Fear
00:20 / 04.12.05
The comic has been pushed back to July 2007.
 
 
matthew.
12:30 / 04.12.05
Stephen King: I've got so much else going on in 2006 - two novels coming out, 'Cell' and 'Lisey's Story,' and the work with John Mellencamp on 'Ghost Brothers of Darkland County.'

Great. He's giving up comics to punch our ears Mellencamp-style.
 
 
eddie thirteen
13:02 / 04.12.05
I may be the only person who's relieved that this has been sidetracked, but there you have it. Yeah, Jae Lee's art is fantastic, but I cringe to dwell on the possible writers. I'd be more than happy with an on-his-game Neil Gaiman, who I suspect would be King's first choice, and could live with Kurt Busiek, who's shown a surprising flair for this kinda thing with his Conan books -- I'm hardpressed to think of anyone else, though.
 
 
Mario
16:51 / 04.12.05
John Ostrander? He's good with Westerns.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:40 / 06.12.05
Joe Lansdale. Roland'd probably make a few more dick jokes than we're used to, but overall I think he'd be cool.

Of course, they could give it to Garth Ennis, and everyone'd be Irish, and Roland would spend all his time down the pub. Extreme violence would follow.
 
 
This Sunday
09:14 / 06.12.05
See, now I want a replacement book drawn by Jae Lee but written in a back-and-forth one-upmanship manner by Lansdale and Ennis. Covers by Sean Phillip. Colors by Lynne Varley.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
12:36 / 06.12.05
Doesn't this mean he's actually writing it?

Oh, and he's been working on that musical for like a decade.
 
 
Jack Fear
21:27 / 05.04.06
Peter David will be scripting Dark Tower from King's plots, bringing thirty years of solid comics craftsmanship to the job. Thirty years of safe, plodding craftsmanship at the Marvel grindstone. Thirty years of writing the same comic over and over and over. Thirty years of dependable, grinding reliability.

Asked to comment, David said, "Don't worry, kids, I'll get it out by Friday!"
 
 
eddie thirteen
18:34 / 07.04.06
Peter David may not be the most exciting writer -- okay, Peter David is not the most exciting writer. But better him than a lot of Marvel's hackiest.
 
 
Jack Fear
20:04 / 07.04.06
Better a swift kick in the nuts than a sharp stick in the eye, too—but that doesn't make the kick a desirable outcome.
 
 
PatrickMM
20:22 / 07.04.06
Doesn't this seriously hinder Marvel's attempts to pitch as this a huge mainstream event? If King himself is not writing the book, it's hard to say that this is something essential for his fanbase. And considering how prolific he is, it's not like they're desperate for material to begin with.

I'd suspect you'll get a decent chunk of Dark Tower fans checking the book out, but I'm not seeing this as the major coup that Marvel originally claimed it to be.
 
 
eddie thirteen
21:17 / 07.04.06
I think the book will sell pretty well as a collection -- bookstores can display it all over the place in a way that they really can't with singles. Not to get cynical, but if you slap STEPHEN KING'S Dark Tower on the cover, a fair number of people probably won't even realize King didn't write it until they get it home. I don't think it'll sell as well as a Stephen King novel would -- in fact, I suspect it won't sell anywhere near as well as a Stephen King novel would -- for reasons that have less to do with who actually scripted it than with its being a comic book. But will it outsell everything else Marvel publishes that month? I wouldn't be surprised. If King does publicity for it, it might sell a lot.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:47 / 03.01.07


Yay! This book is finally back on the radar.

The Jae Lee art continues to look perfect in it's DT depiction to me. He's just hitting that blend of fantasy, western, dark, desolate, and decadent that pervades the DT universe.

I didn't glean this from the last round of discussion but Robin Furth is credited as a co-writer. This is the assistant King hired to catalog the DT universe before he began the final 3 books. That bridges the Peter David-Stephen King gap a little more, at least.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
15:19 / 04.01.07
I am afraid to read this thread becuase I haven't read books VI or VII yet. Are there spoilers for those stories here?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:47 / 04.01.07
don't read the 6th post on this page, but everything else carefully avoids any spoilers.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
11:54 / 05.01.07
I'd suspect you'll get a decent chunk of Dark Tower fans checking the book out, but I'm not seeing this as the major coup that Marvel originally claimed it to be.

With Marvel deep in the world of book adaptations, i9t's clear to me at least that they have figured out how to finally make them profitable. They sell well enough not to loose money in comic shops, and sell massive numbers in the big chain bookstores so that they can get a better foothold there.

I don't think King fans will mind that much that King didn't script it. It's not like the movies he scripts based on his books do better than the movies he doesn't.
 
  

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