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miss wonderstarr
20:05 / 25.10.05
I don't see fantasy-novel/film "Barbarians" as an ethnic group liable to be offended in the same way as Chinese people.

Do you?

Also, I don't see "web-fu", as a variant on the common (and not, as far as I know, offensive) cinema terms "wire-fu" and "gun-fu", as a relevant comparison to jokes that seem to mock the sound and appearance of Chinese words.

Do you really not see this, or are you just trying to pursue an argument for the sake of it?
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
20:08 / 25.10.05
AAAAGGGHHHHHHHHHH....................
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and relax.
 
 
Mistoffelees
20:10 / 25.10.05
Hey Harrison, watch it with the web fu, eh, I mean web flu!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:12 / 25.10.05
OK, I think I explained what I wanted to, so I'll try not to disturb your fun anymore.
 
 
Papess
20:12 / 25.10.05
Well, "Barbarian" is a direct reference to Berbers, or many North African tribes.

I personally think that if that is acceptable, why shouldn't this be too? Or maybe they both should be locked up. It is not JUST a movie, it is an actual culture.

I am not trying to make argument for nothing, I just wonder why we accept one thing over the other when both are about as equally insulting. Not that I am terribly insulted by either, myself.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
20:15 / 25.10.05
Probably-fu best-kung, i'm-chi just-kun getting-do good-wing at-chung this-jin new-po ultra-yun violence-chung!
 
 
Bed Head
20:21 / 25.10.05
Well, "Barbarian" is a direct reference to Berbers, or many North African tribes.

Got a source for that? I’d be surprised if that’s the accepted origin of the word ‘barbarian’, or that anyone here would now be using that word to be making that reference.
 
 
Mistoffelees
20:26 / 25.10.05
Well, "Barbarian" is a direct reference to Berbers, or many North African tribes.

No, that´s wrong. Barbarian comes from the greek word βάρβαρος, which can be translated as "blahblah". The greek meant the offensive (to their ears) noises of other languages from foreign people, and the sounds they made, when they tried to speak greek.
 
 
Papess
20:32 / 25.10.05
If "barbarian" was meant as an offence, then that is even more reason not to use it as joke. Kind of like using the n-word.

I always thought it was of Roman origin.
 
 
Papess
20:34 / 25.10.05
Try here for a reference.
 
 
Smoothly
20:34 / 25.10.05
I'm with Strix. That just means that the thread is offensive to everyone except ancient Greeks, including Berbers.
 
 
Char Aina
20:36 / 25.10.05
I don't see a lot of difference between the gags in this thread, and in my pasted-in example. This example may seem more clearly offensive, but I think they're built on the same idea.

i hear that.
the gag also seem to me remeniscent of a gag in a song i have somewhere about a sofa king.
the only difference there, of course, is the lack of any simliarity to an asian sounding word.
 
 
Char Aina
20:39 / 25.10.05
on barbarians;
what about using the term 'philistine' to describe anyone who isnt appropriately civilised?
strikes me that it has similarly iffy roots.
 
 
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20:48 / 25.10.05
Well, web-fu does kind of vaguely translate as web-artistry with a nod to the original meaning of gongfu/kung-fu. Had we been talking about cake-fu, tea-fu crumpet-fu or sitting-in your-goonie-fu, no-one could have any objections.

Let's stay on the path, though. I think the problem is one of intent. Were I a child of six or so, no-one would question that I would be quite clever to come up with the old gags about Chinese dentists and mountains (you know the ones, and I bet no-one reprimanded you for them at that age) on my own. Because there's no intent to offend and a kind of playfulness with language.
I'd never repeat them in public now, as I know there is a mocking undercurrent to them. Just as I wouldn't repeat the Jim Davidson joke that I found side-splitting [yes, i have done penance, broken glass etc] at that age about black people, telephones and statues.
So, yes, there is an understanding that playfulness with language has its limits when offence might be caused should the intent (fannying about with words and the contexts some word sounds are used in) is undercut by the possibilty that the person doing it is being malicious or offensive.
This is how the wordplay (up there, a long time ago) is different from the many examples of slicing up English phrases into syllables that litters the Barbarian thread (and, if memory serves, many gags about the Old Ones).
Were there barbarians around to object, these could be construed as racist as well.
No-one called me on referring to THE GREAT JESTER BILLEE KANALEE, so I think we're safe. (Just don't do it in the California Governor's office, OK?)
Given that the intent, then, was clearly all about the affectionate, silly and fairly childish idea that you could have a martial art based on enjoying your scran, I'd say it was (until this all blew up and we suddenly became self-aware) harmless and would probably have been perceived as such by anyone who might have been offended by it as, at worst, slightly tiresome. (Can any Asian members let me know if I'm off the mark, please? Since starting this post, I've become interested in my own ambivalence on this, especially that fucking Jim Davidson thing. Brr.)
Ascribing to the posts an intent of racism seems to have lent them a force they didn't have before - unless you were watching for it. Then again, we are open to Google and all the rest, so who knows who'll read it? Oh, I dunno.
Yes, it was mildly amusing until it hit the buffers, and I'm proud of the Tao Nut (ranking alongside the Round Tuit but well below the "doughnut-or-a-meringue" classic).
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
20:50 / 25.10.05
Oh dear.

Some background :

On Sunday, I was presented withthe most delicious and wholesome spread of vegan food and a whole host of delicious herbal tea.

I approached the spread for about my third helping and said 'Mmm. Food and tea!'

I then digressed into what at the time amused me, when it struck me (I had been talking to my Tai Ch'i teacher at length, a Chinese fellow, incidentally) that this sounded, phonetically at least, a little like a martial or energy work discipline. We had a lengthy giggle about it, and I thought it sufficiently amusing to post here in the often jocular 'lith.

I apologise unreservedly for any offence I may have caused to people of the Asian sub-continent, and would really like it if the whole thread could be nuked, please, as it clearly has not been received with anything like the light-hearted and innocent (and inoffensive to the only Chinese person I know for sure who has been witness or party to it, though I could of course be wrong) sense of play that it was intended.

Thanks. Bye.
 
 
Bed Head
20:52 / 25.10.05
Strix, your reference doesn’t really support your assertion that ‘barbarian is a direct reference to berber.’ If anything, it's the other way around - it says The name "Berber" comes from the Greek word barbaros "barbarians." It is understandably disliked by many Berbers who prefer the term "Tamazight" which is often used instead.... Nothing definitive on the unacceptability of ‘barbarian,’ and you’re the one here who made the connection with, er, the Imazighen.

And Toks - origin of Philistine = specific ethnicity, origin of Barbarian = nonspecific ‘other’, perhaps? Not that anyone in that thread was using ‘barbarian’ to mean anything other than Conan and role-playing games and Big Axes anyway.
 
 
Char Aina
21:03 / 25.10.05
sure.
what i was getting at is that both were ways of reffering to 'others' that have now become synonymous with the uncivilised and uneducated.
obviously the philistines lack a conan, but y'know.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
21:05 / 25.10.05
Bed Head, How dare you say "Big" axes i find that offensive. I think you mean Axes of a generous size. Big would imply that you are prejudice against the slightly larger axes. God not all axes have to be slim and well educated etc etc etc, blah blah blah....!!!!!!!
 
 
Bed Head
21:09 / 25.10.05
Toks, the Philistines had Goliath, dude. I’m sure he could beat up Conan, easy.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:12 / 25.10.05
No fucking way. Conan could totally have Goliath.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
21:12 / 25.10.05
If he did he would be a racist.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
21:24 / 25.10.05
Like some of us, with our callous mockery and sneering at the similarities between phonemes from different languages, and associated jokes which can be extracted from such to the suffering and detriment of whole cultures.

Anyway, I bow to Jack and kovacs sensitivity to the implicit and unexamined vicious anti-orientalism I have been nurturing all my life. I will apologise to my Tai Ch'i instructor also, who probably was just humoring me while inside thinking I was some liberty taking culture-appropriating piss taker.

My. Bad.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
21:24 / 25.10.05
Conan could totally have Goliath

In a purely heterosexual manner?
 
 
Char Aina
21:28 / 25.10.05
dude!
there is NO WAY goliath could take conan. for one thing, conan woulda caught that stupid harp-playing sheperd motherfucker's stone before it hit him in the eye.

also, goliath prolly had agromegly,making himpossibly the best example of'the bigger they are, the harder they fall',
whereas conan was an infiltration unit, part man, part machine.
underneath, he's totally a hyper-alloy combat chassis - microprocessor-controlled and fully armored.
very tough.
he can't be bargained with.
he can't be reasoned with.
he doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear,
and he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead! even if you do have a slingshot!
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
21:35 / 25.10.05
Oh so it's ok to be flippant about Shepherds is it? What do you have against the Toksvig.
 
 
Char Aina
21:37 / 25.10.05
oh, come on!
everyone knows about sheperds.
they'll shag yer mum as soon as strum a lyre, dude.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:37 / 25.10.05
tokisk- TRUTH.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:38 / 25.10.05
('twas in response to a man's Conan post).
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
21:42 / 25.10.05
No it's true. If i had a pound for every time a Shepherd tried to bone my Mum i'd be a billionaire. Getting sick and tired of being the fucking idiot left tending the bloody flock whilst the backdrop of some bearded herder DOES MY OWN MOTHER. IT MAKES ME VERY FUCKING ANGRY!
 
 
rising and revolving
16:25 / 26.10.05
I just can't believe we're sitting here and tolerating Wang Chun. They're out having fun, tonight! And expecting everyone else to have fun, too! While requesting I wang chun with them. I've not even met them!

I can't believe this sort of thing goes on. We need a petition.
 
 
toughest, fastest, fatest
17:40 / 26.10.05
I first read this thread at 2.30.
 
 
Mistoffelees
22:30 / 26.10.05
Silence. The master has arrived.



"What is the sound of left hand pressing?"
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
22:50 / 26.10.05



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