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RIP Ronnie Barker

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:19 / 04.10.05
And it's goodnight from him, as the Two Ronnies display a previously unnoticed love of The Beatles, and commence dying in the wrong order.

Forget the omnipresence of "x+y years of the Two Ronnies"- Ronnie Barker was clearly the funny one. Think Porridge (with the Godlike Richard Beckinsale), or even try imagining Open All Hours without the execrable David Jason, and it's hard to escape the conclusion that Ronnie Barker was indeed the funny one.

I'm actually quite sad about this, old though he was.
 
 
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10:45 / 04.10.05
Yeah, it's sad, but he was pretty old and had been looking ill for years.

F-U-N-E-X?
S, V-F-X.
OK. M-N-X.

Let's hope eventually he gets his X wherever he is... and Four candles.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:45 / 04.10.05
Just because Corbett did 'Sorry', that doesn't make him a twat.


Or does it?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
10:48 / 04.10.05
Air well, Mold Fan.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
10:49 / 04.10.05
Ahh. The epitome of Sunday night telly... very sad.

RIP Fletch
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:50 / 04.10.05
Lady- I'm sorry, but yes.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
16:25 / 04.10.05
Good luck in the next adventure, Mr Barker.

'Open All Hours' has a special place in my heart as it reminds me of the little I know of my father's youth (he was Granville). Plus 'Porridge' never wears thin, no matter how many times I watch it.

Thanks for the laughs, Mr B; you were probably the best character actor the UK has ever known.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:30 / 04.10.05
Why, what is that sound that so thrills the ear? It's Simon Russell Beale, putting a posse together.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
16:38 / 04.10.05
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Alex's Grandma
20:29 / 04.10.05
Out of curiosity, does anyone here have any genuinely happy memories that they'd like to share about Ronnie Barker, and his work? Even just one occasion would probably do. 'The Worm That Turned,' say, with Diana Dors

He was a gifted-ish impressionist actor who apparently did his best to produce total shit throughout his career - The f***ing garbage the fat c*** submitted as entertainment, I suppose, haunted my childhood like a bad, scary dream. As well he might have suspected, Mr B. 'Porridge' 'Open All Hours' the Two Ronnies and so on - they were all that were on, those shows. They were what they were.


(This, with hindsight, was going a bit far, sorry, everyone.)
 
 
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20:48 / 04.10.05
Alex, when you manage [illogical and strange personal insults deleted] to write and act in anything to match Porridge I might re-read that post and accept that you can call him that.

Anyway, happy memories? I nearly wet myself laughing as a child at "Here is the nows", "F-U-N-E-X?", and "Answering the question before last". The dramas were crap but I think some of them were written by Milligan. The songs (Elaine Paige etc.) in Two Ronnies were part of the formula that probably still persists, where including a song in a comedy programme meant it got upgraded to light entertainment, so everyone got a bit more cash.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:49 / 04.10.05
Porridge. Don't go dissing Porridge.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
21:11 / 04.10.05
The dramas were crap but I think some of them were written by Milligan

Milligan wrote 'The Phantom Rasberry-blower'. Pure Silly Class. And Alex, 'Porridge' is faultless.
 
 
Saint Keggers
21:14 / 04.10.05
Wow. The Two Ronnies was the first brit show I ever watched as a kid. It was an evenign of The Two Ronnies followed by Benny Hill then Magnum P.I.

Welcome to the big station identification in the sky.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:23 / 04.10.05
Sorry guys but I just never thought Ronnie Barker was funny. It's a shame really that he never played a ruthless, serious serial killer because I suspect that he would have been good at it. Really bloody sinister actually and that's why the coverage today has left me shaking my head. The news programmes are lauding him as a brilliant character actor but I've only ever seen a man with the potential to be brilliant.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:24 / 04.10.05
I thought he was pretty funny in Porridge and Open All Hours, but then he wasn't the writer in either of those cases. The Two Ronnies, I've always found to be irredeemably shit. Self-satisfied, smug and overlong.

And then, of course, there were the TV films that they did, which all of today's commentators seem to have decided never existed in the first place. That's the only way I can see them saying that "he never did anything that was in bad taste" with straight faces. The sort of seaside postcard smut that Benny Hill is derided for. Only worse.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:54 / 04.10.05
then he wasn't the writer in either of those cases

I'm desperately attempting to avoid making a "sell-out" joke here, but...
 
 
ghadis
22:55 / 04.10.05
Porridge was great! Everything else he did was so-so stroke shit. He did a good stutter i guess. But still, an overbearing childhood nostalgic TV figure dies and i can't help but feel a bit of saddnes for my fading youth. Like others the country over i can't help wishing the little cunt got it first. He was the best of the two.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:58 / 04.10.05
It does raise the interesting question (again) of not just whether one should speak ill of the dead's work, but also whether one should comment if one believes that the dead's work is being praised unduly. The best character actor the UK has ever known? Are you quite sure?

Jeremy Beadle will die one day, and it will be sad, as death tends to be. But one has to wonder whether there will then be people of my generation claiming that 'You've Been Framed' was actually pretty good fun - the epitome of a Saturday night in front of the telly with the family! - and that people should not criticise him until they have been involved with anything as hilarious and visionary as 'Beadle's About'.
 
 
hanabius yamamura
22:58 / 04.10.05
re He was a gifted-ish impressionist actor who apparently did his best to produce total shit throughout his career - The fucking garbage the fat cunt submitted as entertainment, I suppose, haunted my childhood like a bad, scary dram

... in my soon-to-be 4 years as a 'lither, your post, Alex's Grandma, has been the first to sadden me to such a degree ...

... to quote Voltaire, I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it ...

... by all means have your opinion but have some modicum of respect ...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:59 / 04.10.05
Mind you, you can all fucking lay off Corbett right now, y'bastards.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
23:01 / 04.10.05
Ronnie Barker used to live in the village/suburb of London where I grew up. He'd make a guest appearance at our primary school when they held events. Meet him a few times and he always refused to sign autographs. Seemed quite miserable really to seven year old me.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:03 / 04.10.05
Petey> Yeah, I meant to pass comment on Cube's post before. I ain't never been President of the United States. Does this mean that I was out of order in saying that I thought Ronald Reagan was a cunt on the day of his death? Should I hold my tongue until I've held that position? Is my opinion on Bob Monkhouse invalid until I've presented a string of third-rate quiz shows or filled a mansion with safes stuffed with other people's jokes?
 
 
ghadis
23:07 / 04.10.05
And i've emailed that obituary to Metro 'the commuters favourite'. They are looking for any ideas or thoughts on all issues, not just Ronnies death.

Sorry about the Spam.
 
 
Supaglue
12:03 / 05.10.05
I thought he was pretty funny in Porridge and Open All Hours, but then he wasn't the writer in either of those cases.

Didn't Barker write Porridge with Clement and La Frenais (who were also responsible for the Likely Lads)?

If he did, he certainly deserves credit for that.
 
 
Loomis
12:06 / 05.10.05
Why has every single reporter got it wrong? Surely the obits should be titled "It's goodnight from me," then when the other one pops it they'll say "and it's goodnight from him."
 
 
Supaglue
12:13 / 05.10.05
Its strange that when criticizing figures of society, there seems to be an unwritten period after their death that means only good things can be heard.

I mean, who gives a toss who criticises Tony Hancock nowadays, say?

Lady Di, for example, is still on the iffy list as far as criticism goes, but Princess Margeret's moratorium ended about 2 days after her death ("I mean, burning both feet in the bath!").


Maybe a bit harsh calling Ronnie Barker a 'fat cunt', but hey, if it had been said last week, no eyelids would have batted.
 
 
Punji Steak
12:28 / 05.10.05
Princess Margaret's dead? Missed that one...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:05 / 05.10.05
I don't think Barker wrote any of Porridge. Not to the extent that he got a credit for it, anyway - might have put some jokes in here and there, I suppose.
 
 
Quantum
13:15 / 05.10.05
I mean, who gives a toss who criticises Tony Hancock nowadays, say?

Please don't mention Hancock in the same breath as Barker. I'm loathe to speak ill of the dead but Tony was a brilliant comedian, Ronnie was a light entertainer. I give a toss, obviously.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:17 / 05.10.05
Although, again, Hancock was pretty rubbish when he was being asked to do anything other than act out what Galton and Simpson had written.
 
 
Quantum
14:03 / 05.10.05
Why, did anyone ask him? Also, did you see Paul Merton's version? I love Paul, but his delivery was shite, he showed how funny Hancock was.
I can't see Ronnie Barker in the Rebel, can you?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:22 / 05.10.05
Hang on, so that's how you compare performers? Try and imagine them in each other's roles, then use that comparison to figure out who's 'better'? Cool. I'll have to try it.

Let's see. Johnny Cash isn't as good as Autechre because he'd probably do a shit version of P:NTIL.

Genius.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:41 / 05.10.05
By the way, as far as delivery goes, even Merton bothered to learn the scripts before he went into the studio to perform them. Hancock? Yes, I always end up rolling on the floor with laughter, because watching some old drunk read his lines off cue cards, completely failing to put any comic timing into them because it was the first time he'd even seen them, is hilarious.

Like I say, Hancock simply couldn't do funny when he was seperated from G&S's writing. Which made it a bit unfortunate that he fired them, really. I mean, have you seen any of those 'lost' episodes that they rediscovered a few years ago? Why do you think they only ever repeat the same fifteen or so episodes? Hell, he was barely able to do it when he didn't have Sid James to play off - again, bit of a shame that he made sure that he was chucked off the show, too, for getting too many laughs.

It's always amazing how killing yourself can turn you into a genius, regardless of your actual ability at anything.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
16:10 / 05.10.05
I had a scary grandmother along with whom my folks did not get. She used to show up just once a year, carrying big jars of homemade jam. She was Ronnie Barker's double.

Despite this fact, I thought he was fairly funny in Porridge and acted skilfully. Couldn't stand the Grocer's Shop thing. In The Two Ronnies, I occasionally enjoyed some of his linguistically challenging humour and thought it well delivered, although I never liked the show much. I always had the impression his comedy was very old school in attitude, assuming the audience to be largely composed of Daily Mail readers.

The last time I saw him was doing some straight acting as Churchill's butler in The Gathering Storm and that was very well done. Poor bugger's last years must have been blighted somewhat by his son fleeing the country after child porn allegations.
 
  

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