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Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:06 / 03.10.05
I'm about to get a new PC, should be fairly top of the line(ish), so was wondering if you folks would like to suggests some PC games I should try. In the past I've largely gone with first-person shoot-em-ups (but lost interest in Half-Life about halfway through, and found Return to Castle Wolfenstein dull after about level three so ran through with the God option to see if it improved, I don't fancy Doom III because I want to play a shoot-em-up not a horror movie) or the C&C family but again, got bored with the genre halfway through Tiberium Sun.

So can people suggest anything that's different and might interest me?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:31 / 03.10.05
Half-Life 2 is different in the sense of being better than, as far as I can tell, any game ever created. F' serious. I think it's also shorter than HL1 - it certainly feels shorter - and I think easier - it's more like a movie than an FPS in some ways.

As a matter of interest, what are the specs of your new PC?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:34 / 03.10.05
I'll try to remember to dig them out later at home. I must admit my primary purpose in buying this machine was to just have one that was at the very least spiffy enough to do Internet and play DVD stuff without sweating, so it might not quite have enough to play top-line games...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:59 / 03.10.05
Well, the other great thing about HL2 is its scalability. When it came out the sort of rig you might expect a reasonably serious gamer to have had a 3.0+ Pentium 4 chip or higher and a GeForce 6xxx graphics card or equivalent, and I ran it, for the most part quite happily, if rather jerkily on the later levels, on a 1.8GHz Celeron with a GeForce FX5200 chip burning itself out in a 4xAGP socket. I am now plannign to buy a new PC primarily in order to play it again.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:05 / 03.10.05
Cossacks. The new 3-in-1 edition. It might be getting on a bit now but it's still brilliant and I will defend it until the last barricade has fallen to the swiss.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
16:13 / 03.10.05
Well, if you really insist on keeping with the FPS genre, Vietcong 2 is due for release any day now. I loved the first one, and have been playing the multiplayer demo of 2 for a while now. If you're looking for a FPS that isn't just mindless clicking, you might like to consider it...

...or, if you're willing to branch out a little, I can heartily recommend both Rome: Total War and Silent Hunter III, both of which - especially the former - are hugely impressive.
 
 
fluid_state
16:25 / 03.10.05
Dawn of War has been my RTS of choice since I got burned out on the C&C/Starcraft style of play. Although I'd recommend C&C: Generals if you want more of that old-school style.

I got a big kick out of Lego Star Wars - it's far too cute for words.

GTA:San Andreas, if only for James Woods. And Peter Fonda. And, uh, Shaun Ryder.

Sid Meier's Pirates was terribly good fun. And educational, 'cause it's about pirates and stuff.

Although the first thing you buy should be HalfLife 2. Haus does not exaggerate - it's the best damn game on the shelves right now. Probably for the next couple of years, too.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
16:29 / 03.10.05
I am now plannign to buy a new PC primarily in order to play it again.

A very sensible move, in my opinion. I did the same thing, and HL2 with all the video settings at max, and a 5.1 surround sound card plugged in, is - frankly - gorgeous.
 
 
Mouse
21:57 / 03.10.05
I was grossly disappointed by HL2 when it first came out, but I replayed it a few weeks ago and found I enjoyed it a bunch more - load times seemed shorter, and a few almost game-killing bugs had been fixed. I wouldn't recommend it as highly as other people have here, but it's certainly worth a play.

Other games of note, in my opinion and in no particular order:

Far Cry - by far the most enjoyable FPS game in the crop of "next generation" shooters (HL2, Doom 3, etc) - it is satisfyingly long, requires you to not just run in headlong to a fight, especially on the harder difficulty settings, has very nice almost-freeform outdoor sections, and gorgeous graphics, especially if you have a fancy video card (but it looks ace on a non-fancy card too - it's very scalable).

Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War - my favourite RTS game of recent years. I had gotten very tired of the same old harvest-build-kill repeat ad infinitum rut RTS games had slipped into, and Dawn Of War's resources system is the most successful of recent attempts to do something new with the genre. At its heart it's as traditional as can be, but not having to bother with the teduim of resource gathering makes it a lot more fun, and faster. The four armies are all satisfyingly different too, and although the single-player campaign is more of a training mode for multiplayer, the multiplayer side of things is very good, as is simply playing a skirmish game against computer-controlled opponents.

Rome: Total War - if you want a more serious strategy game that will completely take over your life, then this is it. Both the turn-based campaign mode and the huge real-time battles are amazingly well-designed.

TOCA: Race Driver 2 - in an attempt at covering as many genres as possible, this is my favourite racing game on the PC. A great variety of cars to drive, plenty of tracks, an interesting "story" mode with a good (if perhaps a little too steep) learning curve, and plenty of things to do away from the story mode.
 
 
Perfect Stranger
16:55 / 12.10.05
I'd like to 2nd or 3rd Rome: Total War and Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War. They are both v. good games although Rome probably has more long lasting playability. They both have expansion packs too so if you realy like them you can keep going.

Dungon Seige II is also pretty good, nice graphics on Mum's GeForce 4 but it won't run on my machine 'cause the OS is XP only. It's like Diablo II, or Moria (angband etc) in that the tresure is semi-random. There is a nice original skill tree and beutifly designed original monsters, the plot is ok and lots of optional sub-quests. It's an arcade action RPG, a cross between Gauntlet and Moria, if you can imagine that.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
17:27 / 12.10.05
but it won't run on my machine 'cause the OS is XP only.

Not that Dungeon Siege is actually worth changing to XP for, of course, but this is just another attempt by Micro$oft to force users to 'upgrade' to the dross that is XP. They've attempted a similar thing in the past, and are continuing to do so by introducing the same OS restriction for the new Age of Empires game, the demo for which was released last month.

On the Rome: Total War subject, should you decide to go for it, I heartily recommend patching it to the latest version (1.2, IIRC), then thinking seriously about installing the Rome: Total Realism mod. It really does enhance the game superbly.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:45 / 12.10.05
Yeah, Rome and Warhammer 40K are splendid games. As is Far Cry- bear in mind I have yet to play HL2, but Far Cry is quite possibly the best FPS I've ever played (currently playing Far Cry: Instincts on the XBox and all the old memories are flooding back)- it's utterly beautiful, though scaleable, the AI is superb for the most part, and the set-piece battles are astounding. It also rewards thinking rather than mindlessly shooting, though it comes up trumps in the mindless shooting stakes as well.
 
 
fluid_state
21:30 / 12.10.05
Shame about Dungeon Siege II, then... I enjoyed the first one, but not enough to switch to XP.

I just got Ultimate SpiderMan (based on a board recommendation, no less), and its great. Awesome storytelling in comic book motion. A little light on, well, actual gameplay, but it's made up for by being able to swing around the city like a spastic.

If you're going to pick up any console port games, get to the "Xbox-to-USB" conversion page here . Handy.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
02:03 / 22.10.05
Just a question: does Rome: Total War's expansion back Barbarian Invasion include the game engine? Or do you have to have the original in order to get it to run? Only reason I ask is that over here, you seem to be able to ONLY buy the expansion, and not the original. Which seems kind of odd...
 
 
fluid_state
04:04 / 22.10.05
Stay away from Quake 4 unless you really want to play Quake 2 again. It looks good, and makes great use of the new Doom engine, but I was expecting something a little more innovative from Raven (I remember them taking iD engines and making great games out of them - maybe they did with Q4, but like I say, it might as well be Q2 again). I haven't tried the multiplayer yet, though.

Black and White 2, on the other hand, is great. It will suck up your free time to the point of ridiculousness, and it's all in good fun. Being a god takes time and patience, unless you're unrepentantly evil. The first 4 (tutorial) lands are a little slow if you played the first B&W, but it picks up fast after that.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
04:52 / 22.10.05
Rothkoid- TW needs the original, unfortunately.

However, in a turn of good news for me, after a quick look at the specs it only needs Direct X 9.0b, rather than 9.0c, so my SP2-ravaged PC will play it without an expensive and laborious XP reinstall!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:41 / 22.10.05
Does anyone have 'Fable The Lost Chapters' for PC. I want to check the specs to make sure I can run it on my computer, but nowhere online, including the official website, has them listed.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
05:59 / 22.10.05
Stoatie, Rothkoid,

If you are planning to playing Rome, I really do recommend the Total Realism mod (link in my last post). It was written by a group of coders and history buffs, and really - for me at least - enhances the game, especially where taking over culturally different enemy towns is concerned.
 
 
doglikesparky
09:40 / 22.10.05
Does anyone have 'Fable The Lost Chapters' for PC. I want to check the specs to make sure I can run it on my computer, but nowhere online, including the official website, has them listed.

Apparently the box says : 1.4ghz, 256mb ram, 64mb 3D Card. so the reality is probably 2ghz, 512mb ram, 128mb 3D Card.

Hope that's of some use.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
10:30 / 22.10.05
Rome - Total War, it's been said before but it bares repeating. What a game! I'd be playing it now, if it wasn't for...

I've a confession to make. I bought Eve-online. It is addictive, being what I always wanted Elite to be when I was a kid only better. Now Urbandead was the only mmorpg i'd played before this so I'm not sure how the others compare, Wow or EQ and the like. Eve online is fucking good. It's better than drugs.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:03 / 22.10.05
Are you getting the "Rome: Total War"-loving from this thread yet, Lady?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
01:58 / 23.10.05
How's the Medieval: Total War stack up to it? It's quite cheap here at the moment...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
02:01 / 23.10.05
Visually it's nowhere near as spectacular... but until Rome came out, it was the best RTS on the market, and ate up weeks of my life. It'll give you a feel for the Total War games, at any rate...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:01 / 23.10.05
I've just ordered Rome along with Fable, if I'm not satisfied with it then I've memorised the guilty names in this thread and I'll be coming after you with a rusty cleaver...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:13 / 23.10.05
You'll have to get past my war elephants first...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:19 / 23.10.05
Deploy mice...
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
19:51 / 23.10.05
Elephants, shmelephants. Too damn slow. Now, my post Marius reform Equites, that's where it's at baby...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:57 / 23.10.05
Oh, in practice, sure, the elephants can be a bit poo. But they look magnificent...
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
06:05 / 24.10.05
The elephants are excellent at routing massed infantry. A couple of volleys of flaming arrows from your Cretan archers then release the BEASTS!1!!

Got to try that historically accurate mod (when I kick my Eve habit) nothing quite as infuriating as conquering Gaul with only Hastatii.

Flowers, you will love it.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
08:08 / 24.10.05
Got to try that historically accurate mod (when I kick my Eve habit) nothing quite as infuriating as conquering Gaul with only Hastatii.

It's well worth it. Amongst the several hundred changes, the Barbarians get a little tougher (although they are still historically accurate inasmuch you can still get them routing with a smaller but better trained and disciplined force). Taking walled-communities is also now tougher, but the main new difficulty - which I like - is the introduction of properly handled local government influence on captured settlements.

There is now a new building tree, the Romanus Auxillia buildings, which are effectively the offices of local Roman administration in the captured provinces. These come in 3 levels, and must be built over a period of several years in order to properly establish Roman rule amongst the locals (during which period, of course, the town needs to be heavily guarded and/or given tax breaks in order to keep the local population down). Once you've built the level 3 Auxillia, you can start building other constructions to improve the settlement, including the new building Provinical Barracks, which lets you train a slightly Romanised version of the low level troop types of that nation whose settlement you took.

There are hundreds of other changes, most of them cosmetic or minor tweaks (the world map extends as far East as India in the Rome: Total Realism version), but I'd have to say that it really makes for a superior game. The only two major changes I'm not a huge fan of is that the three Roman factions have been condensed down into one, and that the senate has been taken out, in so far as it's no longer a faction in its own right. For some reason they have also removed Brittania as a playable faction, although it looks as though popular opinion is such that they'll put them back in for the next version of the mod.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:47 / 02.11.05
Played it for the first time this afternoon, not that impressed thus far, all the controls seem a bit fiddly, I followed the initial fight okay, but when he told me to help the other general finish off the troops I found he'd already done it before I got anywhere near! I attacked my first settlement okay but on moving to attack the second one it all went pear-shaped. I built a ram which it turned out I didn't need, but couldn't find a way to get the troops pushing the ram to let go and fight people and once inside the gate seemed to lose all ability to get my men to fight the enemy. I hope it'll get easier with repeated attempts...
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
16:51 / 02.11.05
Played it for the first time this afternoon, not that impressed thus far, all the controls seem a bit fiddly,

They can be, especially if you're not used to the series. I assume this is the first Total War game you've played, but stick with it and you'll soon be whipping around the battlefield with your eyes closed.


I followed the initial fight okay, but when he told me to help the other general finish off the troops I found he'd already done it before I got anywhere near!

When starting out, the pause key ('P' by default) is your friend. It not only allows you to freeze the action, take stock of your situation, and issue orders which will be enacted when you unpause, but also allows you to examine the statistics and history of unit types by right clicking. This is especially useful when starting out so you can get a feel for which unit types are best against which enemy units.


I attacked my first settlement okay but on moving to attack the second one it all went pear-shaped. I built a ram which it turned out I didn't need, but couldn't find a way to get the troops pushing the ram to let go and fight people

Your problem, or rather, your solution, lies in the bottom right of the screen. When you select a unit, the bottom right part of the screen displays buttons for all the special actions that unit can perform (fire at will, run, warcry, etc.). If the unit is currently using seige weaponry - such as a ram - you'll see a little button with the head of a battering ram and a down arrow on it. Not surprisingly, this will order your fine fellows to ditch the equipment and revert back into a standard unit of whatever type they are (missle, infantry, whatever).


and once inside the gate seemed to lose all ability to get my men to fight the enemy.

Beseiging settlements, especially those with thick stone walls and towers that fight back, can be a complete bitch.

I've found the preferable is to neutralise a section of the wall first by having your seige weaponry (normally balistas) take out the two towers to either side of the gatehouse, then take out the gatehouse itself. If you have enough ammo, you can also take out the two wall sections to either side of the gatehouse. This results in a harmless section of wall, with three entry points (two gaping holes and a shattered gateway). You can then pour troops through these entryways as required, changing where you attack and with what depending on how the enemy is defending their settlement.
 
 
Fell
18:53 / 02.11.05
I bought Half-Life 2 over a year ago and have yet to finish it, though on that note it is an excellent game. There's also the new HL2 content: Aftermath & Lost Coast.

If you at all like RTS, do check out Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War with the Winter Assault expansion. Best RTS developed to date. I even bought it I enjoy it so much. Primarily multiplayer for me, as I've not played the single player campaigns yet.

And if you want some semi-different gameplay with a major focus on story, try Indigo Prophecy, which is released under a different name in Europe but with the same box art. It's by the fellow who made Omikron with David Bowie.

I am also enjoying F.E.A.R., but that falls under the whole Doom thing you want to avoid.
 
 
Fell
18:59 / 02.11.05
I also forgot X³: Reunion, which should be released right soon. It's a sci-fi space sim game sorta deal. The first games were excellent and there's a lot of fanfare for this new entry in the series.

 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:56 / 02.11.05
Tez, this IS the first game in the series I've played. I've just tried again, this time the first battle I did manually and managed to loose that too, though admittedly I ran out of time just as I was mopping up the last few defenders in the town square. Oddly, I don't remember my advisors telling me that there was a time limit, until I suddenly started getting a countdown from about two minutes.

The game's tutorial function leaves something to be desired, don't tell me I'm doing something clever with my spearmen against horses in the middle of the battle!

Also, halfway through the thing my arrow keys started spinning me around on the spot rather than moving me around the battleground. Is this a bug in the game, or something to do with my units being too far apart (I'd split them into two sections in a rather unnecessary attempt to attack the town square from two seperate angles)?
 
  

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