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Magic Without... Women?

 
  

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Sunfell
00:21 / 19.04.07
No problem with the rant- I understand completely. In fact, the thinly veiled misandry and 'blood, babies and breastfeeding' stuff was what finally disconnected me from a lot of the more radically feminist side of Wicca, and ultimately leave it behind. It was very offputting to be told by certain women that only women who had kids could truly be 'close to the Goddess'. What about people who can't bear children? Too bad, I was told. I would always be 'incomplete'. Funny, I didn't feel incomplete, but I did feel insulted- outraged, even. Female chauvinists- whooda thunk?

It was a strange thing- I was the 'wrong sort' of female to certain women, and merely 'female' to certian men- definitely a no-win situation. I embarked for a while on the Path of the Hermit, but that didn't work for me, either. I'm a Magus, not a Hermit. Mages solve problems, they don't sit and sulk in solitude. I got over it, and continued my Work, crankier, but wiser.

So, what can be done? Create a new level of interaction, perhaps- one that is inclusive rather than exclusive. Value people for what they bring into the Current, not what they ought to be according to some obsolete manual of gender -or practice- rules. Take people as individuals and skill sets and Teachers, and work from there. That inclusiveness and edge-dweller outreach and synthesis/syncretism become a major thread of my own Work, and my gender-neutral name is part of that idea. Perhaps remaining silent is something I should also leave behind, if I want to help bust out of the predetermined box we've been placed in, and help others through the wall to the other side.

Thank you for welcoming me here. This seems to be a place with a decent vibe. And one thing I've learned about secrets is that they can hide in plain sight. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear... and minds to grasp it- will figure it out.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:08 / 19.04.07
Sunfell, you might also be interested in these related threads:

Sexism in magic
Misogyny and sexism in religion
Genderqueer and neck-deep in magic
Gender-specific magick
 
 
Saturn's nod
08:54 / 19.04.07
@Sunfell: And one thing I've learned about secrets is that they can hide in plain sight. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear... and minds to grasp it- will figure it out.

I'm so much in agreement with that. A friend of mine introduced me to the useful term 'self-secret': the things which a mind can't take in, it doesn't register. Although that's been a really push for me in terms of climate change activism - how can I make climate change truths safe enough for my mind to actually stick to, or make my mind secure enough to be willing to face what's going on!

On the gender stuff though, it sounds like you've got some solid ground in your experience and I think you'll find some like-minded amongst the crowd here.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
08:04 / 04.05.07
I attended a talk at Treadwells last night which brought to my attention yet another woman occultist who has seemingly dropped off the radar - the Irish mystic and nationalist Ella Young. Aurelia Spottiswoode-Annat, who is researching Ella Young for her doctrate on Irish nationalism presented a wonderful introduction examining Ella Young as both an occultist, poetess, and active republican, and explored how Young's occult practices shaped and informed her political vision.

Some biographical details here
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Young was a great friend of Maud Gonne, and set up a women-only occult group - "The Fine" which enacted rituals to awaken Ireland as the Mother Goddess in order to inspire and power the Nationalist movement. Maud Gonne described the object of the Fine as:
to draw together for the freeing of Ireland the wills of the living and of the dead in association with the earth and the elements
From article by Mary Greer

She is also remembered for her books on celtic folklore such as Celtic Wonder Tales (which was illustrated by Maude Gonne). She was a close friend of the American poet Elsa Gidlow, who published the first book of openly lesbian poetry in the USA (in 1921).

Aurelia Spottiswoode-Annat says that after she has finished her doctrate, she hopes to write a book about Ella Young.
 
 
Olulabelle
09:41 / 04.05.07
Create a new level of interaction, perhaps- one that is inclusive rather than exclusive. Value people for what they bring into the Current, not what they ought to be according to some obsolete manual of gender -or practice- rules. Take people as individuals and skill sets and Teachers, and work from there.

Sunfell, what you are saying about a new kind of practice, or magic is very interesting. Do you think that if enough people are in agreement about something like that and practice it personally, it can become, if you like, a movement? Or does such a thing has to be formally 'established'? What I mean is, does a group of women find they have become a thing without realising, or would you envisage it happening in a more decided fashion?

I'm not sure if I'm making myself very clear. Perhaps I'm not, I'm sorry.

I've been thinking for a while about magical groups. Lots and lots of the women I know practice solitary magic, but I think that's because they can't find an inclusive group. Like you found with the Wicca groups you were involved with.
 
  

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