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King Mob & The Scorpion Loa

 
  

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Unconditional Love
11:45 / 26.09.05
Well, after you have drunk your vodka and smoked your tails you could always contact these people for a detox ritual.

Scorpion detox
 
 
klint
20:45 / 26.09.05
All I want to know is: if I pay DEARLY, will the scorpions help me get babes?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
23:04 / 26.09.05
No.
 
 
ghadis
00:21 / 27.09.05
Yes.

They will. Eggs laid in your syphilitic skull. Rattling drunk like inebriated hamsters on an endless wheel of whore intestines. Bite down hard until brittle teeth crumble on bones of starving african babies?..sorry is this the Syhpha thread?shit?sorry?um?Scary lolly impregnates head..yum yum?lovely scorpion lolly yum yum!!!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:29 / 27.09.05
I still haven't found out if you can get high off bees.
 
 
ghadis
00:36 / 27.09.05
Don't tell me there is no altered state there!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:38 / 27.09.05
No, fermented bees.
 
 
ghadis
00:51 / 27.09.05
You sicko
 
 
Quantum
12:11 / 27.09.05
What, like the ones that fall in the mead vats? 'Arr, they add the psychoactive flaverr..'
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:10 / 27.09.05
Beeriously, get stung beenough by bees on you're bee-hind and you'll bee entering a new state of bee-ing. You just won't come bee-ack. You'll have gone to the Bee-yond.
 
 
Chiropteran
13:24 / 27.09.05
You just won't come bee-ack

Okay, that's stretching it... :P
 
 
Sekhmet
13:55 / 27.09.05
What, like the ones that fall in the mead vats?

Exactly. See the AH&NM Surgery thread.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
02:36 / 26.10.05
I've been tentatively mulling over the following: Are there any useful parallels to be drawn between the idea of non-human Lwa families and non-human families of 'giants' and 'monsters' in the Northern trad?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
07:59 / 26.10.05
I would be very hesitant to make a connection like that as I'm really not sure how much a part of Haitian belief these non-human Lwa actually are - outside of western fiction. I can see a few historical precedents for the concept of insect Lwa, related to the Ghede family, if you stretch a few points here and there. But the way it appears in Bertiaux is very, very removed from any other account of Haitian Vodou I've ever come across. If it has precedent beyond Bertiaux's work, which it might do, then it is probably an obscure line of transmission thing. Does the average Haitian have a knowledge and awareness of Insect Lwa? Probably not. Are there any other non-human Lwa? Maybe one or two animal forms, especially on the Petro side, but can you legitimately group them together into a class of "non-human Lwa"? Probably not. Well not without missing the point of their animistic nature to shoehorn them into a western notion of monstrous elder Gods. I don't think the parallel is really there.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
12:16 / 26.10.05
Look out look out, Bertiaux has (possibly) a new book coming out!
Fulgur news
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:31 / 26.10.05
The Norse giants are what the gods in that tradition fight, yeah? They're not gods in themselves but, like the Titans(?), they're on an equal footing in terms of strength and power.

Well, seconding what was said about B's work, though v. interesting and good if you want it, not being particularly closely related to the actual Vodoun tradition, I can't really find much evidence for any concept of conflict among or between the Vodoun deities, which sort of rules out any kind of gods vs demons/gods vs ice giants dichotomy. Bertiaux seems to be supplying his own ice giants as it were.

Over in my neck of the woods you've got the aforementioned godess Serqet/Selkit/Selkesh- there are many different ways of pronouncing the name. In her "classical" form, just before being assimilated into Isis, she was a human-bodied and -headed queen with a scorpion crown, a guardian against poisons and one of those who guided the soul into the afterlife, as well as looking after children and protecting priests/magicians during spellcasting. There was a lovely voluptuous statue of her in King Tut's tomb.

However, before this, she was very much more in line with the original meaning of her name: She who can tighten or loosen throats. She was represented as a pure scorpion, so that's an example of a non-human deity becoming humanised over the years. Of course we don't know whether the Egyptians saw her as a scorpion or as a woman; whereas many Hindus for example will tell you that the extra arms on their dieties are symbolic. Dieties are normally made out of things that are a danger to their creator, Egypt has the biggest and most dangerous scorpions'l!kt!

There are also scorpions and spiders in West Africa- the scorpions being by far the noblest and most graceful- so I'd imagine there might be simmilar gods found there, and these may or may not have been translated to the Vodoun tradition.

As a lot of the syncretic religions come from communities which had been exposed to a lot of inhumanity in the real and terrible sense of slavery, it strikes me that they'd strive towards deifying the human as opposed to the animal.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:34 / 26.10.05
s'l!kt!

Hmm. Odd typo.
 
 
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18:11 / 26.10.05
Hah, yeah, I remember reading that Fulgar news things month ago. Looks like it might be an interesting book... I'd love to read Bertiaux's analysis of his own artwork. I'm not sure if I like or hate his art, but I will say his paintings are better then his sketches and diagrams.
 
  

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