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Pete Doherty and Kate Moss - Star-crossed love or something darker?

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w1rebaby

13:03 / 23.09.05

It should be noted that Kate Moss won a libel case in July against the Sunday Mirror, relating to a drug-related story they published about her. I would be surprised if they weren't determined to ruin her career with this, and the other tabloids are of course quite happy to get in on the finger-pointing action.

I don't consider that the "role model to teenagers" thing has anything to do with any of this; it's not like the Mirror staff are going to care about that. They have to have some token ethical justification for the story.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

13:29 / 23.09.05

Although her statement seems to be erring towards her apparent repentence at having various personal issues and needing the support of her friends and loved ones

Bear in mind also that just saying "it were a fuookin' laff" wouldn't work quite so well...

Speaking as someone with a certain amount of... erm... dependency issues, I guess, no matter how many times my doctor used the phrase "alcohol dependency syndrome" I was still in no doubt that it was something I'd brought on, and created in myself.

Axolotl

13:51 / 23.09.05

I tend to agree Stoatie. It may be a sickness, but in my experience it's definitely one that is self-induced, at least to some extent. Possibly you could draw analogies to STDs or getting Hepatitis C from using dirty needles.
It may be stupid (in fact it almost certainly is) but I like to view the problems I have with such things as my problems and not seek to put the blame on some illness.

Quantum

13:54 / 23.09.05

It should be noted that Kate Moss won a libel case in July against the Sunday Mirror

Aaaaah, it starts to make a bit of sense. After the first week of front page news I started to wonder what the motivation behind it was. That sounds like a likely candidate- hell hath no fury like a tabloid sued.

Loomis

14:04 / 23.09.05

What was the story she sued them about? If it was saying that she takes drugs then haven't they just proved themselves right?

w1rebaby

14:46 / 23.09.05

Apparently they claimed that she'd collapsed into a cocaine-induced coma on holiday, and she said she didn't. So the fact that she's been spotted doing a few cheeky lines now doesn't mean that that was true.

They wouldn't shout too much about it I'd imagine because it might make them look bitter (surely not).

Jack The Bodiless

16:13 / 23.09.05

I specifically mentioned XXXX by name in the post above because ze's been very open on this board about hir regular enjoyment of cocaine, and doesn't seem that fussed about saying so. Have noted the name's been censored, so I thought I'd just point that out.

w1rebaby

20:35 / 23.09.05

Fair dos; I agreed to the mod request to remove XXXX's name because I'd not heard about any of that. No malign intent assumed.

Smoothly

22:55 / 23.09.05

I proposed it because, personally, I didn't recall XXXXX mentioning it and thought it best to err on the side of caution (you did admit that you were 'implicating like a motherfucker'). I still think XXXX should have a say in the matter, but if you know ze is okay with it then the change can be overturned.

Bed Head

15:43 / 25.09.05

So, I’ve only just been pointed to this, from the News Of The Screws story:

Junkie Kate dreams of creating a bohemian "set" among her friends—swapping partners and being bisexual. "Kate sees this as exciting and spicy."

Wow, go Kate. Bohemian set! Okay, so maybe I didn’t particularly care about her before, but now I think she’s bloody great, this is proper role-model stuff. I’m sold. Hopefully she’ll get a printing press next, or something like that. Pose for more paintings, etc. Beautiful bohemian set, now that's what 21st century London needs. Bohemians are All About scandalising 'the papers', aren't they? It's all part of the vibe.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

15:50 / 25.09.05

A Bohemian "sett" would clearly be better, though.

Bed Head

15:58 / 25.09.05

Well, yes. That Doherty one does look a bit badgeresque, come to think of it. Hmm. Maybe it's a typo after all.

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

15:59 / 25.09.05

But they'd get all muddy.

Oh.

Mourne Kransky

16:49 / 25.09.05

Pete Doherty looks like a potato. He cannot be compared to the noble and very handsome Badger, Prince of Woodland Creatures.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

16:51 / 25.09.05

There is NOTHING. Repeat NOTHING. In the slightest. Badgery about Pete Doherty.

Xoc will back me up. He knows all about the more bohemian type of badger. They're French, as I recall...

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

16:52 / 25.09.05

Can we call him "Peter" instead of "Pete"? "Pete" sounds all matey, y'know? Maybe I'll go for "Mr" instead.

paranoidwriter waves hello

16:53 / 25.09.05

Pete Doherty looks like a potato. He cannot be compared to the noble and very handsome Badger, Prince of Woodland Creatures.

And"Everybody knows, Badger loves MASHED potatoes!"

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

17:01 / 25.09.05

Get out.

Bed Head

17:01 / 25.09.05

Oh. Does he look like a panda, then? Panda. Badger. I always get those two mixed up. Or, ok, a potato. Something with dark eyes, anyway.

And I wouldn’t bother with first names. Or even the 'mr'. Just, Dochery. Barat. Moss. Frost. Stern, authoritative, like you’re reading the register.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

17:05 / 25.09.05

Jesus, don't start on the pandas. Leave the fucking pandas alone already!

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

17:06 / 25.09.05

(PW- I have Bodger and Badger's autographs, you know. I think Bodger may have done both, somehow. But there IS a doodle of Badger saying "wotcher, Stoatie!" And the sad part is: that's all completely true).

paranoidwriter waves hello

17:42 / 25.09.05

Suedey: soz, I couldn't help myself.

Stoatie: your secret's safe with me...Eh?...What's that?...What do you mean "it's too late for secrecy"?...Oh, I see...

Mistoffelees

18:11 / 15.02.06

I just read the headline Doherty in Car Crash Drama, thought, what´s he done now and clicked. He´s innocent, he hasn´t done anything. It´s Shannen Doherty.

Bed Head

18:55 / 15.02.06

He's not innocent.

I think this thread needs a link to Docherty’s prison diaries. For the barbelith archive.

(And I know they’ve been dealt with in another thread, but again, for the archive: gahhhhhhhhh, they’re shit. I’m still not absolutely convinced they’re not a Chris Morris spoof, and Ted Maul would be the perfect voice for the audiobook edition.)

Mistoffelees

21:11 / 15.02.06

Good Idea.

And I think this thread needs a link to the slang thread, with my PD de profundis poem, inspired by XOC, Wilde and Doherty’s prison diaries. For the barbelith archive.

Yet each man spills the slang he loves,
By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a sunday lazy,
Some with a birded up bird,
Pete Doherty does it with a diary,
The brave man with one word!

Alex's Grandma

22:32 / 15.02.06

I don't know - I think I've almost forgiven Pete for his last album (which was, in all fairness, really not very good,) over the head of the prison diaries. Granted, he was obviously alive to the romantic possibilities of the situation when he wrote them, but a) they're not all that bad - I mean compared to the kind of thing that Robbie Williams or Alex James from Blur might have come up with in a similar situation, (fans of Alex James' farming'n'family column in The Independent may know what I mean,) they could have been so much worse. And b) Well that's about it, really.

c0nstant

22:40 / 15.02.06

January 29
I see paint-cracked walls stained with shite
Long long lock-up days
Cold lonely nights
And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world
I see men touching fists
Saying "watcha bruv"
Screams from below
Shit parcels from above
And I think to myself ...
I see my true love
On a Rimmel advert

it's all a bit adrian mole, isn't it?

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