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Pete Doherty and Kate Moss - Star-crossed love or something darker?

 
  

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Alex's Grandma
23:06 / 18.09.05
Ok.

First of all, Pete, mate, if you're reading this, you've got to get off the smack.

Secondly, though, are the UK tabs surpassing even themselves in terms of a bit gauche venality with regard to this story?

As far as I know, old woman though I am, neither Pete Doherty or Kate Moss has ever set themselves up as a model for the young people of Britain - I dare say, to the extent that they are, they'd be pretty much drug-addicted and suicidal anyway.

So, should we care about Pete and Kate, or are they just gilded creatures who deserve to be brought low?

And why am I even concerned about this? Is it because I'm a bit worried about the government in America, or tired, or drunk, or all three, or none of the above (though it's fair to say I'm probably a little drunk.)

I should point out that I could 'do' more crack than Pete and Kate put together and walk away smiling.

I mean, I really could.

I've done it before.

I am 75, and I need the toilet.

But never mind about that - typingthisveryveryveryfastbecauseIhaveanurgentappointment, but... What does everyonr else think?
 
 
Triplets
23:18 / 18.09.05
Saw it in the papers on Friday. I don't give three shits.

Or two.

Or one.

None.
 
 
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23:21 / 18.09.05
It's not so much stories like this that annoy me about tabloids, it's the obsession they have with people like this that often pisses me off.

I'm ashamed that Alex's Grandma boasts about the amount of crack she thinks she could do on the internet aswell, and am thinking about e-mailing Alex about it.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:43 / 19.09.05
It's medicinal for our senior citizens, Eon. Like marijuana.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:11 / 19.09.05
If I CARED, Grandma, if I fucking cared... You understand? If I cared, I might say that on the one hand the lifestyles of the New Aristocracy can seem very tawdry and soulless - what would Rochester say of these libertines? - the same as he said about his lot - yet on the other hand, the sheer hypocrisy and fickle viciousness of the tabloids has rarely been more plain.

Fortunately I am have my Robert Anton Wilson books, Toil records and statues of Spider Jerusalem, and so I am above the snipings of the gutterpress! Why, I don't even know who "Abby Titmouse" is!
 
 
sleazenation
10:17 / 19.09.05
Why oh why are the tabs not focusing on what is clearly the most pressing issue in the world today: videogame censorship?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:20 / 19.09.05
It has to be said, though, that some of the prose involved is, on a purely stylistic level, of the highest quality.

As the white powder induces a sudden rush to her brain, she rocks back in her seat and laughs hysterically. The coke is kicking in.

Within seconds she leans forward and again sniffs into a tightly rolled-up £5 note, hoovering up every last grain of the Class A drug.

It is clear from the extraordinary images, captured during a Mirror undercover investigation, that the 31-year-old catwalk queen is a practised user.

Rumours of her drug habits have circulated for years but she has always denied taking Class As such as cocaine.

In a West London recording studio, though, Kate chats casually with Doherty and pals as she absent-mindedly crushes and chops out the chunky lines on the back of a plastic CD cover.

With her blonde hair hanging untidily around her shoulders, the model icon, worth £30million, prepares up to 20 lines of coke in just 40 minutes.

Using a mammoth stash, which she kept safely wrapped in her handbag, Kate - mother of a two-year-old daughter - has no qualms about being seen with the illegal drugs.

Doherty and some of his mates mill around, eager to join the binge and impatiently asking to help prepare the drugs.

At one point the Croydon-born beauty - the face of Rimmel, Chanel, Calvin Klein and Christian Dior - loses her patience with one of crackhead Doherty's friends and insists: "I'll do it. I'll do it."

...

Kate, 10 times a Vogue cover girl,looks unsteady and exhausted as the session continues.

Between lines of cocaine, she repeatedly twitches her nose and rubs her nostrils.

On five occasions she expertly prepares the lines of cocaine, carefully using a credit card to cut the powder into neat rows for her, Doherty and the others.


The image of Doherty and co milling around, trying to get at ver stash, getting in our Kate's way, does make me feel a bit of sympathy for the woman. Who could not lose patience with that?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:21 / 19.09.05
I've always admired people who can perform any task both absent-mindedly AND expertly.
 
 
haus of fraser
11:32 / 19.09.05
Its been pretty much an open secret for years hasn't it?

I liked The Mirrors photo of her "looking gaunt and aggitated" on Friday.... as if! she actually still looked great if a little annoyed to have a camera shoved in her face.

I personally don't really approve of the glamourization of drugs- its not big nor clever. It'll be interesting to see whether she gets dropped by any companies using her as their 'face'- although I suspect that its not her actually doing drugs but more being caught. She goes out with pete doherty, and counts Marianne Faithful and Bobby Gilespe as her very close friends- of course she does drugs you twits- she has just been sensible enough to be a bit discreet about it.

Is this hypocrisy in the extreme to have her as a role model- or should she pay teh price for her stupidity and loose a couple of contracts?
 
 
Triplets
11:41 / 19.09.05
From Petey's quote I like how the tabloids are all aghast! drugs! moral decay! with the subtext: but hey, isn't this shit just a little bit fucking sexy? Twarts.
 
 
Triplets
11:42 / 19.09.05
The above to be read in an urmmmm... sultry voiiceee.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:59 / 19.09.05
Seeing as she hardly ever gives interviews, I don't know if Kate Moss really qualifies as a role model - if she *stands* for anything, it's only by implication.

But yeah, without at least a token couple of weeks in The Priory (where she might meet my grandson! Wouldn't that be lovely? I think that if she met him, she would really like him!) I suppose she might lose a few of her contracts. Whether that'll bother her much is another question.

Slightly more worrying for concerned observers is Pete D's reported threat to 'kill' whoever it was that filmed the evening in question. He's a volatile young man, that Pete, so it seems a fair bet that he'll at least have a try, which could mean that he ends up inside again, which could in turn mean that the release date of his new album is put back still further.

I don't know if I could live with that.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:36 / 19.09.05
I hear she's dumped him. The moo cow. Doesn't she know that he's a poet with a tender soul?
 
 
haus of fraser
12:39 / 19.09.05
I had defined Role Model as someone to aspire to.

What could be more aspirational than the face of a large cosmetics/ clothing company?
 
 
haus of fraser
12:51 / 19.09.05
I hear she's dumped him

again.... yawn.

oh well i guess they're more interesting than the Beckhams or Jordan and Pete... or Michelle Heaten and Andy Scott Lee- 'the most useless loathsome celebrity couple on the planet...' (c)

Barbelith goes gossip- can we ask Tom for a 'Gossip & Tabloid' forum. I'm sure it would be very busy
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:05 / 19.09.05
It would certainly be more worthwhile than any discussion of the work of Garth Ennis, Iain M. Banks or The Swans.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
13:15 / 19.09.05
I also couldn't give two f**ks about celebrities and their habits, and I'm no fan of either Ms Moss or Mr Doherty.

However, aside from the "drugs are bad, OK?" debate, I think what gets me about this affair is the "bad role-model" argument. I mean, it's not as though Ms Moss is standing on a plinth in Trafalgar Square, snorting a big one, screaming "Come on kids, the water's fine!" As has already been said in this thread, she seems to have tried to keep her drug-habit out of the public eye, and so the responsibility for this particular "drugs advert" must surely fall on the shoulders of the tabloid in question who chose to make it public. i.e. they ran the story, they printed the fuzzy photographs of a role-model taking drugs on the front page.

Indeed, surely what's more deplorable is the little guttersnipe who secretly filmed the scene and sold it to the tabloids. When I was a kid tattletales were frowned upon, especially those who "grassed" to improve their own status, i.e. to get money and/or a leg-up in their own career. What kind of message are they sending to our children, eh?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:27 / 19.09.05
Oh my god. Someone save me from this planet.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:33 / 19.09.05
When I was a kid tattletales were frowned upon, especially those who "grassed" to improve their own status, i.e. to get money and/or a leg-up in their own career. What kind of message are they sending to our children, eh?

That being a grown-up demands different moral decisions from being a kid? Not to go one way or the other on this one, but Moss is committing a crime here under the laws of the land. Never mind whether she's a role model - she's now allegedly a criminal. I'm more appalled that people who are not celebs who take drugs get nicked and people who are celebs get column inches.

Having said which, unless that cocaine is free-trade Moss is a cock either way. Taking coke is basically saying that you don't mind if brown people live in fear and die in pain as long as you get to feel like a game-show host on a regular basis.
 
 
DaveBCooper
14:36 / 19.09.05
Kate Moss does drugs ? A woman with a boyfriend who’s known to use heroin, and who works in a business where people do Class As instead of meals to keep their weight down ? Are you absolutely sure about this ?
It all sounds a bit unlikely to me.

Mind you, if she’s doing five lines in 30 minutes or whatever they're claiming, I can’t imagine that she’s getting very good shit.
 
 
Rage
14:44 / 19.09.05
I can't believe you guys are even talking about this shit.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
14:50 / 19.09.05
Haus, you're right of course. But unfortunately, that's not the angle the tabloids are taking, is it? I was just trying to discuss their hypocrisy, I suppose. After all, who gives these "role-models" their status? I reckon, if you dig deep enough most, if not all such "role-models" would be shown to be less than ideal (not that I'm sticking up for Ms Moss; she is indeed an eejit). Of course, I'm not saying we should abandon our ideals and excuse bad behaviour, selfishness, nastiness (etc); but I wonder (for example) how many journalists have a coke-habit (or some other destructive vice) of their own? Also, I have no memory of Kate Moss putting herself forward as the next Martha Stewart (and look what happened there, eh?).
 
 
Char Aina
14:58 / 19.09.05
she could always be growing her own...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:00 / 19.09.05
Oh, absolutely. The hypocrisy of a coke-fuelled business like tabloid journalism making moral judgements on a coke-fuelled business like fashion is patent and absurd. The idea that "top model takes cocaine" is worthwhile news is also ridiculous. However, at the bottom of the market celebrities and crime sell papers. Celebrities doing crime therefore sells _more_ papers.

We're losing track of the important question, though. Is all this kerfuffle going to delay the release of Pete's next album? If so, I'm going to set up a camera outside their front door and then use a lovingly recreated roman onager to sling massive bags of Homepride white flour at them every time they emerge.
 
 
Char Aina
15:06 / 19.09.05
i think you prolly should anyway.
i'm certainly going to start sending him 'mystery wraps' in the mail.
could be coke...could be speed... could even be anthrax!

oh, the fun he'll have!
sweating over what to do with it; dialling the police, hanging up, lining it up, pacing the house, dialling the police, hanging up...
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
15:13 / 19.09.05
i'm certainly going to start sending him 'mystery wraps' in the mail.
could be coke...could be speed... could even be anthrax!


I've always thought that spiking a huge shipment of cocaine with Anthrax could be on the list of terrorist actions. It's daft, I know, but when the employee of that media company* in the US was infected just after 9/11 (after opening a package of "white powder"), I couldn't help thinking "I wonder if he tried to snort it?"

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*Was it a "news agency"? I can't quite remember exactly what the company actually did. Off to Google....
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:15 / 19.09.05
I'm going to set up a camera outside their front door

but they've broken up... wait, Haus has inside information. Are you Pete's best friend or Kate's sister or Sadie Frost's third cousin?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
15:50 / 19.09.05
Erm...

From the Wikipedia:

"Five letters are believed to have been mailed at this time, to ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, and the New York Post, all in New York City; and to American Media, Inc. (AMI) in Boca Raton, Florida, which publishes supermarket tabloids. AMI publishes a tabloid called Sun where Robert Stevens, the first person who died from the mailings, worked."

My apologies to the Stevens family. I wasn't trying to make light of murder, I swear.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:10 / 19.09.05
She didn't *want* to dump him though, according to close friends speaking anonymously in today's Sun, she *had* to.

Meanwhile, 'the rocker went beserk in Ibiza after the 31-year-old broke the news... Coke, dope, liquid E... washed down with rum, gin and beer.'

Now I don't know what everyone else is in the habit of doing of a Saturday evening, but, erm...

Well anyway, I wonder if all this hasn't got a bit more to do with Pete's reluctance to hand in his homework, as it were - 'The smack ate my essay,' etc - than has so far been acknowledged.

Nothing wrong with that if it is, of course, but personally anyway, I'm not getting any younger.

In fact I may only have a few weeks to live, and I'd like to think that Pete's new music could be playing on the stereo as the final curtain falls.

I may write to the Sun about this.

I mean it's terrible really, isn't it?

Pete's website, I think, is wwww.babyshambles.com.

It's a shot in the dark this I know, but perhaps if Pete was alerted to the plight of his oldest fan, he might pull himself back from the edge.

John Blake publishing, incidentally, are putting out a book called 'Pete Doherty - A Man On The Edge' or something quite soon. Seeing as John Blake publishing are the home of Jodie Marsh's ouevre he should really be listening - Pete, mate, once again, if you're reading this, you have got to... and so forth.
 
 
Bed Head
16:11 / 19.09.05
I wish she was going out with That Carl Barat instead of the Doherty one. That Barat’s got a much better face. I can tell just by looking at it. People should look good if they’re going to be in the papers all the time, whatever they're doing.
 
 
Bed Head
16:14 / 19.09.05
I also think “Barat” is a far nicer name than “Doherty” is or will ever be. Three syllables is too many for a feckless junkie story. It’s too busy, already. But, Barat and Moss. Moss and Barat. Wild Moss and Crazy Barat: their DRUG SHAME. Much better fit.
 
 
Bed Head
16:26 / 19.09.05
and
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:28 / 19.09.05
Interesting you mention that, Mr B - ah-pparently, that Carl Barrett was seeing that Sadie Frost who apparently 'can't stand junkie Pete' but was nevertheless allegedly, paradoxically, involved in 'romps' with Kate Moss so...

I think I may lie down for a little while now.

I hope that the wooden stairs to Bedfordshire are not as far away as they look.
 
 
Psych Safeling
16:30 / 19.09.05
Taking coke is basically saying that you don't mind if brown people live in fear and die in pain as long as you get to feel like a game-show host on a regular basis.

Quite so. I used occasionally to be William G. Stewart at the weekends until I grew up enough to realise that the Quiz-under-pressure-for-a-prize-vase-ogen trade wasn't one I wished to perpetuate.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:56 / 19.09.05
I'm still all about Pete and Kate mainly, and I'm guessing the arguments either way have been rehearsed on here before, but, while the international cocaine trade is nothing for anyone to be proud of as it stands, wouldn't a lot of the problems involved, in particular for the people that grow teh stuff be at least a bit closer to a solution if it was legalised?

I dare say I feel the same way about heroin, but then again, I am rather old.
 
  

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