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Is Psychiatry Dying?

 
 
Quantum
14:46 / 17.09.05
So elsewhere another poster wrote this;
"10 years from now there will be no psychiatrists" (in the Love ethic of mental illness thread) which I think is a bold statement to say the least. While the field of mental healthcare is certainly changing, what direction is it going?

Here's one view by Over & Out (prev. Wolfangel);
psychiatry is an industry, its relationship to mental illness is mutually dependent, and psychiatrists love creating dependency with the aid of pharmacology and other chemical warfare techniques upon its patients, who are running out of patience.

Here's mine- the Psychiatric industry will move more toward a 'flat' power relationship where the doctor and patient co-operate more explicitly in their treatment, moving away from the analyst/analysand asymmetry and making the patient feel more involved and empowered.

Unfortunately I also think that many, many people will continue to view their problems as external, and expect their psychiatrist to 'fix' it with a pill for them, rather than contribute to their own recovery, exacerbating the proscription tsunami being encouraged by the pharmaceutical industry and allowing people to blame their doctors when they're still depressed a week later (for example).

I hope the good moves in Psychiatry will allow a more flexible and realistic approach, but I fear that the bad trends already noticable will continue. What do y'all think? What changes are coming and do you think they'll be good or bad?
 
 
Unconditional Love
17:53 / 17.09.05
i must make clear i am talking about psychiatry and not psychotherapy.

Are Psychiatrists Betraying Their Patients?


Please view the rest of the website most fascinating man who cured schizophrenics without the use of drugs.

A brief overview of the recovery model

rd laing

survivors movement

When i have more time i will write from what i see going on around me with my involvement with mental health services and also mental health organisations.
 
 
Unconditional Love
21:58 / 17.09.05
System survivors

But there is also a difference between a service and a system so that there appear to be doubts about the true location of the problem. For me, services are part of a wider system. The difficulties I face are due not just to services but to social attitudes and practices, to our inheritance of the history of madness. I am caught up in a mental health system more complex and deep-rooted than services alone. As a result of this type of analysis I believe that system survivors are often more radical in their demands and are looking for much more than improved services.

And, while looking at self-definition, it is worth asking whether there are possibly real differences between people who call themselves "psychiatric or psychiatric system survivors" and "mental health system survivors". Speaking as one of the latter, I may be placing a different emphasis on the role of psychiatry in the difficulties we face. Perhaps these sort of differences will be relevant to the remaining parts of this piece.

by peter campbell

a truly inspiring bloke.
 
 
Unconditional Love
22:17 / 17.09.05
Government refuses to independently publish data on psychiatric drugs

"We remain concerned at the pharmaceutical industry's close relationships with government and the MHRA...As recent experiences with Seroxat…have shown, profit is too often put before the patient - with potentially lethal consequences."
 
 
Ganesh
08:46 / 18.09.05
Anti-psychiatric viewpoints are nothing new (and have been discussed on Barbelith before), and I don't particularly see why the next ten years will see the death of my profession. I would like to see a definition of terms here, though, as I suspect 'psychiatry' is being equated simply with 'prescribing psychotropic drugs', with no acknowledgement of any wider role.

I think it's also important to point out that the relationship between psychiatrists - physicians generally - and the pharmaceutical industry is a different one within a socialised healthcare system, like the NHS, from that of private practice. As an NHS-based practitioner, I am subject to blandishments from various drug companies, all pushing their particular product, but my salary is not contigent on prescribing what they sell.

psychiatry is an industry, its relationship to mental illness is mutually dependent, and psychiatrists love creating dependency with the aid of pharmacology and other chemical warfare techniques upon its patients, who are running out of patience.

It's not an industry, it's a profession - and a fucking busy one. There is a constant pressure on our service, and we have more than enough patients, thanks. The idea that I "love creating dependency" is, frankly, risible, and I would thank you not to make sweeping statements about what motivates me. This model grossly simplifies doctor-patient relationships into abuser/abused or pusher/addict, and I find it rather insulting.

Rather than viewing the psychiatrist as a willing catspaw of the pharmaceutical industries forcing "chemical warfare" onto his unwilling (im)patient, you might do well to consider the other factors at work here. What, for example, is the pathway between individual and psychiatrist? Why do people seek out psychiatry? Why do they believe psychiatry can resolve their problems? Where does this expectation come from? How should psychiatrists respond to it?

Here's mine- the Psychiatric industry will move more toward a 'flat' power relationship where the doctor and patient co-operate more explicitly in their treatment, moving away from the analyst/analysand asymmetry and making the patient feel more involved and empowered.

This rather assumes that a) the 'flat' model isn't what we do already (or, at least, aim for), and b) it's what people want. I think it's what people say they want but, on the old Barbe-thread I've linked to above, I talk about why I think this isn't necessarily always the case.

The 'flat' model also takes little or no account of the fact that many are treated against their will, under the Mental Health Act. Whether or not you perceive this to be a malign and unnecessary tool of the eeevil drug-pushing psychiatric establishment, you must acknowledge that it rather throws a spanner in the 'explicit cooperation' idea.

Unfortunately I also think that many, many people will continue to view their problems as external, and expect their psychiatrist to 'fix' it with a pill for them, rather than contribute to their own recovery, exacerbating the proscription tsunami being encouraged by the pharmaceutical industry and allowing people to blame their doctors when they're still depressed a week later (for example).

This is another factor. There is a vast pressure on psychiatrists to resolve unhappiness related to social, economic, relationship or personality problems and, in our makeover culture, this often amounts to the passive expectation that a pill will sort it all out. The relatively recent tendency of pharmaceutical companies to market directly to the 'consumer' encourages this expectation, as does the astoundingly successful perpetuation of memes like 'chemical imbalance', despite the poor quality of supporting evidence. As often as not, I find myself in the position of having to resist the pressure - from the patient himself - to prescribe (what is perceived to be) a panacea for situational ills, with the result that I'm seen as "not giving me any help". It's perhaps unsurprising, then, that it pisses me off when I'm lazily characterised as a gleeful drug-pusher, a willing facilitator of dependence.

I hope the good moves in Psychiatry will allow a more flexible and realistic approach, but I fear that the bad trends already noticable will continue. What do y'all think? What changes are coming and do you think they'll be good or bad?

I think the "bad trends" are largely the result of global capitalism, and the attendant creation of desire, of perceived need. We're encouraged to believe we can and should be fitter, happier, more productive - and if we're not, it constitutes illness, a 'chemical imbalance', a fault to be fixed. Big Pharma is out of control, and I see it as the job of governments as well as individuals to resist its influence. There is a danger, particularly within private healthcare systems, of the 'flat' model described above boiling down to naked consumerism: person sees antidepressant advertised on television and consequently 'realises' he's depressed; person goes to psychiatrist to request antidepressant; psychiatrist prescribes antidepressant.

I like to think that any backlash against this will be a measured one, that cynicism about the way drug companies operate will not invalidate the fact that, for some, psychotropic medication is helpful. I like to believe the media will stop being party to the unhelpful stereotypes of 'chemical imbalances', 'wonder drugs' and 'medical blunders'. I like to think people might see their psychiatrist as more than a prescriber of drugs.

I'm not holding my breath, though.
 
 
Ganesh
08:58 / 18.09.05
Please view the rest of the website most fascinating man who cured schizophrenics without the use of drugs.

The trouble with Mosher's claims - as with Laing's - is that there's generally a paucity of research evidence to back them up. In order to demonstrate that one had "cured schizophrenics without the use of drugs", it would be necessary to carry out a methodologically sound double-blind trial (including a control group) on a statistically significant number of individuals who fitted the criteria for schizophrenia - and then, schizophrenia often taking a relapsing/remitting course, follow them up afterwards to ensure they had indeed remained symptom-free.

There's a world of difference between legitimately pointing out that overprescribing happens and making grand claims one cannot substantiate. Naturally, if Mosher has published a good-quality clinical trial of the type described above, and I've missed it, I stand corrected.
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:48 / 18.09.05
I think the difference for me would be thus, The individual who is recovering decides when there life is getting better for them, not proper scientific research, but the human being who was suffering is suffering less or not at all, this is how i would quantify a successful theraputic approach.

Its not about proving a theory but increasing the quality of life of an individual involved with suffering. Human beings arent a scientific method they are a greater amount of variables. science is a part of the human equation, not the whole of it.

It is probably the case that a purely scientific approach may actually work for some who are suffering. For others that isnt the case they find themselves at odds with the scientific method, spiritual intervention may work for them, art etc.

For me personally kung fu, tai chi, hsing yi and bagua did the trick, exercise therapy, which is increasingly being proscribed in some areas of the uk for depression for example. But also very much mantra and meditation helped my condition and still does.

I gave up with prescribed medications after noteing the side effects, which were far worse than my illness, and also from seeing those that were on the medication caught in its dependency and the social stigma they faced.

But that aside i think one of the major problems of scientific methodology particularly in relation to human beings is it tends to dissect rather than look at the whole human being. The focus in mental health on the medical model is a part of this problem, it to some extent still retains an authoriative, expert, top down approach to a person within the mental health system. there are human values that are qualitative rather than quantative that need a more inclusive approach within therapy structures. There are some situations where the medical model may not be appropriate at all, but for many it is still the first point of call.

As with alternative therapies and eastern therapies, science tries to measure everything within its own bounds, setting its boundaries on therapies that may work outside of known scientific principles or beyond the scope of human understanding.

The western scientific approach to therapies that lay outside of its philosophies is not only anti spiritual in this respect but also sometimes considered by some to be a form of institutionalised racism towards the respective cultures that these therapies lay within.

The mental health service has alot to work towards to catch up with the multicultural, multifaith and diverse belief structures we are currently living in.
 
 
Ganesh
18:35 / 18.09.05
I think the difference for me would be thus, The individual who is recovering decides when there life is getting better for them, not proper scientific research, but the human being who was suffering is suffering less or not at all, this is how i would quantify a successful theraputic approach.

Elimination or reduction of subjective distress would indeed be an extremely valid measure of outcome. If Mosher has, as he claims, "cured schizophrenics without the use of drugs", he could legitimately use this as his yardstick of 'cure'. Even so, it would be incumbent upon him to demonstrate, in the manner I've suggested above, that his techniques have successfully and permanently eliminated subjective distress in a statistically significant sample of individuals fitting criteria for schizophrenia.

Of course, some might equally legitimately suggest that, within this (theoretical) situation, Mosher had not cured schizophrenia, merely helped people live with it to the extent that they felt life was getting better. Not to be sneezed at, by any means, but arguably not a "cure" either.

It's nice that "mantra and meditation" have helped you, Over & Out, but I'm not sure this necessarily qualifies you to make sweeping generalisations about what motivates psychiatrists. Similarly, vaguely decrying "scientific methodology" as "anti spiritual" and, presumably in your opinion, racist, doesn't alter the importance of actual evidence when attempting to help someone who is suffering. It's easy to wax lyrical about what has proved helpful in individual, anecdotal cases; it's less easy to establish that the same thing will be helpful in a more general sense.
 
 
Unconditional Love
20:13 / 18.09.05
In generalisation lays the problem as i see it. The labels used to designate illness within the mental health service tend to reinforce a given individuals circumstance, the focus is on the illness and treating the illness. The individual becomes identified with the illness exhibiting greater symptoms of the illness as information is recieved about what the symptoms of the illness are.

To begin from the point of illness perpetuates the language and self identification of being ill presuppossing a cure.

To generalise about a given individuals circumstance by applying a label to them, can become a means to see only the illness and not the complete human being. Human beings exsist within a social context as well as being biological organisms. It can be the case that the social circumstances are the result of the mental health problem. Far to much attention is paid to the illness and not to the human being and the social environment they exsist within.

The idea of a cure is intresting in and of itself, it also plays into the language model of there being an illness or problem to begin with, as if every situation has a solution. Rather than witnessing an ongoing recovery upon a continuum of health a final solution is being sort.
 
 
Ganesh
20:32 / 18.09.05
If you feel overgeneralisation is the problem, perhaps you yourself would like to avoid it in this thread? So far, you've characterised all psychiatrists as 'loving to create dependency', medication as "chemical warfare" and those attending psychiatrists as 'running out of patience'.

Which particular labels do you feel "reinforce a given individual's circumstance"? As far as viewing things in illness terms, perhaps you'd like to check out my old Beyond Anti-Psychiatry thread? It really isn't news to me (or, I think, to psychiatrists in general) that factors presented to a doctor, as illness, are often related to situation or social context. In the linked thread, we attempted to look at some of the dynamics around this.

Yes, the word "cure" does indeed imply a permanent solution of sorts, which is why I'm slightly surprised you made the claim that Mosher had "cured schizophrenics".
 
 
Unconditional Love
21:27 / 18.09.05
Using a fixed labelling structure presupposes a continuous narrative of self within an individual.
A conformity to labels given, a limit set by self identification with the label of illness.

Yes, On reflection i may well of been wrong to reiterate moshers claim to a cure, and yes i have used some rather straight jacketing language to describe psychiatry and psychiatrists on reflection, perhaps their is no need for such over emotive reverberations when addressing the changes takeing place currently.

Perhaps this is indicative of a time when a polarisation of what were percieved to be opposites was useful in dialogue, my current reckoning contends that it no longer is and a diversity of belief and experience is perhaps a more meaningful map of mental health services.

The most central point for me being a continuum of mental health upon which a recovery process is takeing place, no 0% totally ill and no 100% totally cured. everybody somewhere within the scale, including the health professionals. No absolutes, just many diverse beliefs about where a person maybe within life as much as within a sense of mental health.
 
 
Ganesh
21:31 / 18.09.05
Which "fixed labelling structure" are you referring to?
 
 
Rage
13:49 / 19.09.05
I'm gonna try this without sounding temple here. Psychiatry is a creation that is manifested by the existence of the labels themselves. Mental illness exists in the way that any other abstract delusion (non-physical reality) exists. Within its own realm. Mental illness is brought on by societal labels, which are given to people who think in a way that is not currently considered sane. Many people who are outside of the current model-of-sane display similar traits. These traits are labeled as different mental disorders, which bring on the actual existence of them. (and more and more people suddenly start displaying these traits)

One might say that mental illness is a learned reaction to society. Or a genetic disposition. Or, and yes this has everything to do with this thread, magic after the magician loses control. Psychiatry exists as the latest model of western medicine. While some of the medications on the market are effective in treating people with these mental dispostions (or unique ways of viewing the world- there really are a million ways to see what is now considered mental illness) many of them have horrible side effects that are much worse than the illness to begin with.

Also, psychiatric instituions are highly abusive, and a worse violation of civil rights than a locked down maximum security prison. This is no exaggeration. I was trapped in one of those places for 6 months of my youth. I witness 7 year old children being tied down in restraints and forced into solitary confinement. Why? Because they were "talking back" to staff. I, myself, was aggressively injected with extremely strong psychiatric medication because of a similar "talking back" incident. Had nightmares about this shit for years. I was tied down in restraints too. Left in the quiet room without food or water for what felt like days. Here's where it gets really fucked up. All of this shit gave me what is now considered Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, a psychiatric illness. That's the worst kind of irony right there.

So is psychiatry dying? Not quicky enough, really. Someone needs to find a better way of treating the mentally disturbed/off/radical/whatever that is not seen as a new age crock of shit by the majority of the population. I think that a lot of people are so far into the manifestations of stuff like schizophrenica that mental healing is nowhere near enough for them. Maybe we could cure mental illness with technology one of these days. Who knows? Stranger things have happened. I am aware of good people like Ganesh who work in the psychiatry field yet are against the violation of human freedom and, for example, the overmedication of 10 year old punks. (Oppositional Defiant Disorder now) I think what we need is people like Ganesh to team up with people who work in more technologically advanced field, so psychiarty will eventually become a primitave way of dealing with the voices that aren't really there. The extreme highs and the lows. The horrifying memories. The phobias. All of it. We need something better.

Here's where I wish I had an answer. At least I know the question.
 
 
Quantum
18:09 / 19.09.05
"..the Psychiatric industry will move more toward a 'flat' power relationship.." (me)
This rather assumes that a) the 'flat' model isn't what we do already (or, at least, aim for), and b) it's what people want. I think it's what people say they want but, on the old Barbe-thread I've linked to above, I talk about why I think this isn't necessarily always the case. Ganesh

I was pointing out it's what we *should* aim for- my hope is psychiatry will move toward best practice and away from megapharm influence. My fear is that the profession will succumb to pressure from above (especially in the US as a more capitalist economy) and below (patients) to become, as you describe, a vending machine.

The aspect of the flat power model (there must be a better phrase- Ganesh?) that I think is often underplayed is the responsibility of the patient to participate in the cure/alleviation of symptoms, not just by knowing what drugs they want but by accepting their need to make a lot of effort. Many conditions can be turned around by lifestyle changes, talking therapies, alternative therapies etc. but they require effort that a lot of people aren't willing to put in. Prozac's much easier.

My nightmare scenario is drug companies advertising their psychiatric products, combined with lax restrictions and wide availability and a demoralised psychiatric industry. Which frighteningly doesn't seem that unlikely, or far away.
 
 
Unconditional Love
08:24 / 20.09.05
I think some service users (A loaded term "users") will as you suggest take the pills and the benefits and be happy, free money and free drugs can appear very attractive..But from my own experience it isnt a very fulfilling life to live under ,social stigma and no work ,and to be considered ill.

Some system survivors are trying to play ball by meeting things half way, by creating training networks of there own, becoming freelance trainers, selling there experience to social services from the service user view point, educating community business and organisation about the stigma system users/survivors face. Recognising that there experiences are valuable as an alternative view point that leads to a greater scope and understanding of and within the mental health system and social relationships to mental health.

You are to a degree correct, there is even resistance to us from many service users themselves, its as if we are saying we are not ill, or we are more than just illness, most people ive trained have anxiety about benefits and how there illness would effect there role. But the actual result of getting people to present a 45 minute presentation provides alot of confidence to them and to me that i can actually do my job. Its very early days yet for this whole approach to cooperating with services and some of the old oppositional voices are still present, and i am guessing to an extent they always will be, but i see the self defined recovery approach as the way forward in cooperation with already exsisting services. i think the exsisting services need to be more open to the diverse beliefs around them, that would be my main crticism. I think they should be inclusive of practitioners from other areas, that service users have found useful in there own recovery and a greater onus placed on hearing a system survivor voice within mental health services. slowly i see this happening.

The labels i was refering too were the labels of mental illness themselves, depression, schizophrenia etc etc.
 
 
alas
00:54 / 21.09.05
The issue of labels has come up in this thread and the transvestites thread. If labels were only the hideous, evil thing Over & Out's painting them to be, humans wouldn't keep inventing them.

Don't get me wrong here: there are definitely hegemonic forces at work, as Ganesh realizes and G&R's horrific story illustrates. Labels do give us a false sense of power over objects/phenomena/people, and thereby also bring those "things" into a kind of social being. So yes psychiatry brings mental illness into a kind of social reality by naming the experiences as "illnesses." That naming has consequences.

This naming is especially powerful, and has especially powerful effects, because people who experience non-normative states of being, or not socially-valued ways of interacting with people are especially vulnerable to the full brunt of State force, as G&R's story shows.

But it's also true that humans are labeling machines: we are social animals. We cannot function in a world that we can't name and/or share names with those around us. Try traveling in a foreign country where you don't speak the language, except maybe a few words, and few people there speak yours. You almost certainly will be frustrated, quite possibly scared, and very vulnerable, especially if you don't have currency or credit card.

I have gone through some major depressive episodes in my past, like probably most of the people on Barbelith. I have a close friend who has been kicked out of every bar and restaurant in town, has wound up in jail twice in the last few years, due to manic states of mind where he really does not seem to be the same charming person that I know he can be. These times, he is violent and scary to be around, and yet he still feels like he's fine, he's the only sane one.

There is more to Jim than his mental illness, and maybe it is a magic that's gone out of control of the magician, but he definitely needs a great deal of help and support, and his family, bless them, are exhausted. We do what we can as friends, but without an adequate, wider social safety net than what's available here in the US, we're likely to be exhausted too.

Naming can help and can be less nefarious than is being suggested.
 
 
Unconditional Love
10:25 / 21.09.05
Naming in and of itself is not the problem, its how you name people and the social context that creates, for people to feel socially included in the wider community rather than set outside of it(which in and of itself can cause many people problems) the labels that have so much connotative associations need to be looked at carefully.

There can be no social inclusion unless a wider society becomes tolerant, and learns to understand its own mental health as a social organism and addresses the identity issues which in and of themselves create social exclusion for the individuals so labelled.
 
 
Mirror
18:27 / 26.09.05
Just because some individuals choose to identify with the labels placed on their illnesses, it doesn't follow that the labels themselves or indeed the labeling process are somehow to blame. After all, in the absence of such labels to identify commonly associated sets of symptoms (and known sets of corresponding treatments) it would be extremely difficult for the caregivers to know where to start in terms of treatment.

That being said, it would be interesting to perform an experiment wherein psychiatrists would avoid letting the patient know the label that is being experimentally applied to the patient's symptoms. Of course, this sort of treatment would almost immediately be criticized for creating a knowledge disparity and consequent power imbalance between the doctor and the patient. Perhaps such an experiment could be performed upon a voluntary basis, where the doctor would ask the patient up front whether or not he/she wanted to be told the label for the observed symptoms before embarking upon a course of treatment, with the patient always having the option to get the information if desired.

Ganesh, do you know if anything like this has been tried or is regularly done?
 
 
Unconditional Love
10:22 / 27.09.05
The problem with the idea of treating a problem is when the problem is overtly more identified as the person than the totality of the person themselves, agreed a diagnosis is nessecary as a starting base but it should never be taken as the entire picture.

Let me put it another way, in the past i have read newspaper accounts of child murderer, several things were highlighted around this murderer, he was schizophrenic, he read aleister crowley (idolised him apparently) and he was homosexual.

Now hypothetically there are child murderers who are heterosexual christian and socially normative, i am wondering why is it that these factors arent highlighted by popular press and other less conforming personality types are highlighted?

The example wouldnt have to be child murderers, thats a particularly horrible case i can remember, another would be the treatment of Frank bruno by the press when he was suffering from depression. The very use of this language by media has created certain connotations and reinforced social stigmas surrounding mental health issues. its not only the medical use of the labels, but the public use that reinforces the medical use within the publics minds.
That medical authorities use these labels only adds to the weight they carry when they appear in the popular media in negative contexts.

Think then what its like to carry around a label as part of your identity thats loaded with so many negative connotations. good for your mental health? i dont think so.
 
 
Ganesh
11:24 / 27.09.05
At the same time, if that label means you're able to access treatment quickly and effectively when you need it, then it's arguably more helpful than having to undergo a protracted from-the-beginning-again assessment process every time you have a relapse.

There seems to be the assumption that doctors ignore the rest of the individual in favour of the diagnosis. I don't think that's necessarily the case; in fact, I know that within my own practice, it definitely isn't. The diagnostic label is important within the overall context, though, because it contains implications in terms of what's likely to prove helpful. Diagnoses are, of course, dynamic entities, and should be constantly reviewed with the 'labelee'.
 
 
Ganesh
11:26 / 27.09.05
Completely with you on the stigmatising effect of the popular media, though. I don't think the answer is to attempt to eliminate diagnostic labels altogether, however.
 
 
Unconditional Love
12:21 / 27.09.05
The approach i am taking to that issue is to train people who are so labelled to educate public and private institutions about the stigma they face, by giving presentations on the subject,or related where that subject can be introduced. so as to try and reeducate employers and public institutions including mental health services on the effects of the stigma on individuals and society at large.

At least thats the idea, not only is it building confidence and self esteem in the individuals presenting, as it has done for me, but trying to reduce the associated stigma. Getting people to want to do it with all the attendent agendas of the government and mental health pressure groups is something else entirely.

The language i point to is because i noticed the overall effect labelling myself had on my own mental state, which wasnt good at all. As you point out for diagnosis, realistically it seems essential. So the best option seems to reeducate the public at this point in time, wish me luck!

If people can begin to understand the damaging context of racist language, i am sure they can also learn that certain medical definitions have a certain context and understand how a misappropriation of those terms is damaging to the people so diagnosed.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:22 / 27.09.05
Further, I would offer that removing diagnostic labels from psychiatric practice would not equate to the removal of labels in general. For example, Grant Morrison has used the label "schizophrenic" to describe a large number of people. That label was only metaphorically tied to any diagnostic environment. If doctors were prevented from using any diagnostic terms to describe their patients, I'm not sure that would stop other people from applying those terms - it would just cut off a context in which they had defined meaning.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:28 / 27.09.05
Oops- sorry, interpost. So, Over and Out, you'd keep diagnostic terminology, but make it clear to the people so diagnosed that this was a label only in the sense that it grouped together commonly-recognised problems and provided a baseline response. Meanwhile, you would aim for stronger policing of the undiagnostic or derogatory use of labels such as "schizophrenic" in the non-psychiatric world.

That all seems to make sense, and we may be moving toward such a world - I seem to recall a pop musician being criticised for calling his album "schizophrenic" when neither he nor it was.
 
 
Ganesh
18:19 / 27.09.05
It does indeed make sense. I usually take time to labour this point, with those who're uncomfortable with labels and those who seem keen to seek them out. They're heuristic, providing a medical shorthand, but a shorthand which only goes so far.

I've been actively involved in research on stigma and stigmatising. What seemed to make the most difference was sustained contact with the stigmatised group - so those who were related to, friends with or worked alongside someone with the label 'schizophrenic' were much more sussed (and relaxed about the media-overblown risks) than those whose received wisdom came from indirect sources. No big surprise, really.
 
  
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