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Rage is back. This time she is Quiet and Relaxed. [PICS]

 
  

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Rage
21:48 / 19.09.05
Warren Ellis.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:32 / 20.09.05
...Spends twelve hours a day on Suicide Girls?

...Can kill a man with his beard?

...Likes double-page spreads?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:24 / 20.09.05
Tells the truth, man.
 
 
Bed Head
08:29 / 20.09.05
I’m crossing my fingers for “...is the true identity of much-missed barbelith poster John Cage”. That'd be a great twist for the fourth page.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:32 / 20.09.05
Whatever happened to John Cage, anyway? I miss that guy.
 
 
haus of fraser
09:03 / 20.09.05
shhhh.

your ruining it.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:58 / 20.09.05


Black people love John Cage!



This is not John Cage.
 
 
Lord Morgue
11:33 / 20.09.05
I googled him like you said.


Damn, Haus, are you sure you want this guy pissed off at you? He looks like a total bad ass!
 
 
haus of fraser
11:37 / 20.09.05
shhhhh!

your ruining it!!!!
 
 
electric monk
12:31 / 20.09.05
Ha! Fucking brilliant, Morgue!
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:37 / 20.09.05
my ruining it??

It's mine.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:40 / 20.09.05
Y'know, Morgue, last time I played that game I figured my soundcard was busted.
 
 
haus of fraser
13:57 / 20.09.05
Shhhhh! and enjoy the silence of John Cage
 
 
Aertho
14:06 / 20.09.05


























(yeah. that's nice.)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:08 / 20.09.05
A common misconception. It isn't silence - it's music. It just happens to be all rests.
 
 
Quantum
14:40 / 20.09.05
A common misconception- it's biting social satire in the form of music, providing a powerful critique of our expectations of the form.

But it sounds like pretentious silence, and not in a good Simon & Garfunkel way neither.

Is it true Cage successfully sued someone for copyright breach over the silence? Or did he just try as an artistic statement?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:41 / 20.09.05
NWA had to take that sample off "Straight Outta Compton".
 
 
Mourne Kransky
15:45 / 20.09.05
Mike "Wombling Free" Batt got into a legal scrap with the great man and it was apparently all settled amicably out of court with a hefty wad of cash bunged Cage's way.

I've been plagiarising him myself for the last four minutes and thirty three seconds but I don't think I've been spotted. Now I'm going to plagiarise Mike Batt by picking up litter off Wimbledon Common, in total silence.
 
 
waxy dan
14:35 / 22.09.05
I can't remember who... and I can't find it on Google, so I may be talking out of my posterior... But wasn't someone else sued for making and releasing a remix of Silence?
 
 
Quantum
18:02 / 22.09.05
Warren Ellis
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
18:11 / 22.09.05
Staalplaat released a CD of covers and remixes of 4'33" a few years back... it was called 45'18". Staalplaat's website only mentions Keith Rowe (from AMM); Artificial Memory Trace; Thurston Moore (from Sonic Youth); Pauline Oliveros, Deep Listening Band... I doubt they got sued, but you never know. I'll try to find the CD and see who else is on it if anyone is at all interested.

It isn't all silent by the way, naturally. Some of it is very pretentious though. Or is that arty?

Someone once threatened me with legal action for mentioning one of their trademarks in a review I published of a Staalplaat release - it wasn't John Cage though. Ignoring them pretty much worked.

[Is this thread rotten enough yet?]
 
 
Jack Fear
19:50 / 22.09.05
Fetish model dies, Warren Ellis mourns.

It'd be funny if it weren't so sad. Or is it the other way around?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:00 / 22.09.05
WTF? Funny how? She's dead at 32 but hey, she's a perv and Warren Ellis liked her so it's fucking funny?

Please tell me that I have drastically misunderstood you, because otherwise there's this whole feet, clay, you know, a thing.
 
 
Triplets
20:04 / 22.09.05
SMOOTH MOVE JACK
 
 
w1rebaby
20:08 / 22.09.05
Not one of those big time funny things, no.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:11 / 22.09.05
Ms. T., that'd better be one of them irony things or summink, or I may have to unforget that you called me Wiccan and decide that you're a tosser after all.
 
 
w1rebaby
20:13 / 22.09.05
I think it's an irony thing.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:20 / 22.09.05
I'm serious. Why the fuck is this funny? I mean, I hate to go on or anything, but unless she was also a Tory minister called Alan Ponsonby-Smythe and tried to pass a law against being a female perv, then I don't get the fucking funny.

Clue me in. Do.
 
 
w1rebaby
20:29 / 22.09.05
Don't ask me; I don't think it's funny. Warren Ellis' perving on Suicidegirls might be a bit funny, but it's not funny when somebody dies, perhaps the least appropriate time to bring the subject up.

SMOOTH MOVE JACK could well be taken as an ironic statement about Mr Jack's comment though. That was how I took it anyway.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:36 / 22.09.05
Yeah, I'm taking SMOOTH ect as an ironic comment. Just a bit, y'know, prickly about the whole dead woman=teh funnay thing.
 
 
Jack Fear
20:49 / 22.09.05
Oh, I don't think it's particularly funny as in funny ha-ha,. Maybe as in "funny old world."

And I don't have any problem with Eva Lux's line of work at all (except inasmuch as it reflects on Ellis, about which more below). I just find it... odd.

See, the thing about Ellis-speak is that "my friend" means "Somebody I've e-mailed a bunch of times and maybe, possibly, met once. And, if the latter, probably clumsily hit on."

I don't know for sure what she was to him, but from what I'm able to gather, it was primarily an online acquaintanceship. And I find his reaction... I dunno. A little weird and self-dramatizing.

Thought-experiment: If you got word that *I* had died—or Rage, maybe (cos it's all about Rage)—would you be all "I'm gonna miss you so much," and hiding in the corner of the pub so's nobody could see your manly tears?

Maybe not. But then, you've never seen me in my underwear.

Which would be, in itself, guaranteed to make you weep.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:02 / 22.09.05
But that's just it, Jack--you don't know what she was to him. You don't know what she was to anyone. All we've got is a relatively staid announcement of her death, with comments decently frozen. to get all personal: Right now, a big chunk of my social support network is online; it's people I've emailed a few times, maybe met once or twice. And yet they've been there for me when I really didn't have anyone else; they've been my mates.

And yeah, if you died, or if Rage died, I'd say summink. I would not ask for sympathy because that would be crass and stupid. But I'd say something, because a big figure would have passed out of my psychic landscape.

And if someone came along and acted like your death was somehow amusing, just because that sad sack Mordant Carnival was moping over one of hir imaginary friends... well, fuck them.

Fuck them very hard.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:30 / 22.09.05
I hate to say this, Jack, because I usually consider you a voice of wisdom (and, indeed, TRUTH!!!) but I'm with Mordant on this one. (Not that I don't find Mordant wise usually, I hasten to add...)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:33 / 22.09.05
And- Thought-experiment: If you got word that *I* had died—or Rage, maybe (cos it's all about Rage)—would you be all "I'm gonna miss you so much," and hiding in the corner of the pub so's nobody could see your manly tears?

Actually, yes. When I say I'm worried about grant being in the hurricane belt, or about Denfeld's homelessness, it's not just bollocks, you know? And I'm sure that holds true for others here. Or maybe it doesn't.
 
 
Jack Fear
21:46 / 22.09.05
You're really much too kind.

Just, y'know, in general.
 
  

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