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Alain Badiou

 
  

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nighthawk
15:46 / 10.09.05
What do people know about this guy?

I picked up a copy of his Manifesto for Philosophy a while back but I was intimidated by the references to set theory in the introduction.

I've also read Ethics: An Essay on the Understanding of Evil, but at a time when I had little background in Continental philosophy. The first half is a criticism of other approaches to ethics (I think he has quite a go at Levinas etc. but my memory is hazy), and I remember there being a lot of emphasis on the importance of particular events in any succesful ethics. I think the guy was a Maoist once (not really sure what that amounts to philosophically?), perhaps it was connected to that.

Anyway I haven't heard him mentioned as much as other French thinkers, particularly by theory fans. Is there a reason for this? His name doesn't come up in the analytic philosophy I'm studying either. Has anyone read him properly? Can anyone suggest routes into his work (I know he wrote a book about his correspondance with Deleuze, but I haven't really got to grips with D&G either yet), or better summarise his main theses? Will I need a detailed knowledge of set theory?
 
 
Tom Morris
18:45 / 10.09.05
According to my university library's OPAC, there's a book called "Alain Badiou: a critical introduction" by one Jason Barker. It's published by the University of Michigan Press. See here.
 
 
Jackie Susann
23:17 / 11.09.05
He's pretty much the Next Big Thing, his work has only recently started being translated into English (Manifesto came out a while ago to not much response). His magnum opus, Being and Event, is still untranslated.

The best English language monograph is Peter Hallward's, the name of which escapes me, but Hallward is (along with Zizek) his biggest populiser in the English-speaking world. There's also an introductory (though frequently very dense) collection of Badiou's essays called, I think, Theoretical essays.

I don't think much of his work, and will try and post more about it later.
 
 
multitude.tv
02:33 / 12.09.05
His book on Deleuze is fairly good, I am reading his text "Ethics" for a course I am in right now, and nearly picked up the Manifesto today actually. He really is "the next big thing" in Continental thought being translated into English these days.
 
 
nighthawk
06:44 / 12.09.05
I think I might have a look at Peter Hallward's book this week if I have time. Although as I said I'm still getting to grips with Deleuze.

Being and Event is being published this year I think. There are a few of his books available in translation beyond the Manifesto and the Theoretical Writings collection. And Wikipedia has links to some articles available online.
 
 
sdv (non-human)
17:49 / 12.09.05
Badiou's an especially interesting case in that he is probably best understood as part of the resurgence in marxist thinkers, emerging out of the collapse of postmodernity. I suspect that in the anglophone world Badiou could not emerge whilst postmodernity and neo-liberaism were both in the ascendent. Only with a renewed philosophical need to be able to critique neo-liberalism (as it becomes increasingly militaristic) and PM's obvious inability to engage in this task, does the space emerge which allows Badiou to emerge. (Note that he emerges also from the shadow of Zizek, dear Zizek impossible to imagine him without Badiou out there somewhere...)

Key terms - he is the philosopher of the 'truth-event', 'universal' and in his Platonism very pre-Kantian.

I'd also recommend 'Think Again: Alain Badiou and the future of philosophy...'
 
 
sdv (non-human)
18:47 / 30.10.05
A couple of things:

There is a nice anthology of essays edited by Gabriel Riera newly published "Alain Badiou : philosophy and it's conditions" trhat is worth reading. (SUNY NYC 2005)

Also an interesting if flawed text by Badiou in NLR 35 - called 'A French Adventure' that is worth reading because it causally announces who and what Badiou is through the flaws and absences...

What ?--- know them through their others...
 
 
nighthawk
07:17 / 04.11.05
I found 'Infinite Thought', published by Continuum, quite a good introduction. Its a collection of essays by him, outlining his set theoretical ontology and then applying it to various topics (poetry, cinema, the death of communism, 9/11).

I still find the idea of set theory as ontology rather confusing. Or more precisely, the exact details of how its supposed to work, particularly things like the generic set and forcing.
 
 
Jackie Susann
08:51 / 06.11.05
I think Badiou is ridiculous, really. His set theory stuff is based on a couple of superficial similarities between set theory concepts and actual social dynamics, and then extrapolated out in a way that - surprise! - is completely consistent with his macho, heteronormative Maoist politics. I find it embarrassing that people take him seriously.
 
 
nighthawk
15:49 / 06.11.05
Right, that's basically been my reaction, except that I don't know enough about the tradition he's writing in to dismiss him outright. That's why I wanted to know what people here thought. He's occasionally quite insightful, but the theoretical underpinnings strike me as tenuous at best. As I said though, I haven't read that much by him and I'm a little lost when it comes to post-structuralist stuff.
 
 
sdv (non-human)
15:03 / 07.11.05
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuummm

I'm uneasy in dismissing his work in these terms. There are a number of reasons why - the following seems as good a place to start as any:

Firstly; because whilst there are issues with an ontology founded in set-theory, I'm personally even uneasier with the Heideggerian alternative which is a poetics.

Secondly; he is (or at least was until recently) the only philosopher who was engaged in defining/redefining Truth, that is to say 'Truth as Event'. Truth was a concept that had become almost impossible to address...

Thirdly; Badiou's early seperation of philosophers and philosophy from the problem of the holocaust and thus by association from the gulag, was critical move away from the thought that the holocaust was a unique historical event.

finally - his current politics and political activity are neither maoist nor macho... In fact he continues to attempt to redefine what a left 'politics' might be - when seperated from questions of subject-identity.
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:07 / 07.11.05
I didn't mean his politics were straight out of the little red book. But he does consistently refer to the Cultural Revolution as an Event, which I think is ridiculous. I don't know much about his political practice, so I can't comment much more, but I think his conception of the Event as a radical break from the routine order of Being is based on the fundamental presuppositions of Maoism (and Leninism, etc.): the need for a vanguard to break from the masses to achieve real political change.

As for macho - what's his definition of love again? Something like a Two divided by sexual difference, isn't it? That's at least heteronormative, even if its hard to peg a philosopher as macho. And he's dismissive of feminist and queer politics, etc.

I don't have any problem with set-theory as a foundation for ontology. Ontologists can base their theories on whatever they like as far as I care. It bothers me when this is used to argue for some sort of pseudo-scientific basis to dodgy political positions.
 
 
sdv (non-human)
13:51 / 08.11.05
Dread,

The statement around Badious being "dismissive of feminist and queer politics" contains a number of implications which should be challenged.

Firstly Badiou correctly identifies that feminist and queer politics, as with all identity politics has no necessary relationship to left and emancipatory politics. We should not understand such politics as being necessarily radical and/or emancipatory.

Secondly what Badiou is concerned to reestablish is that an identity politics cannot be substituted for an emancipatory politics founded on universals concepts rather than particularist concepts.

Thirdly and crucially then - Badiou is denying that a particularist understanding, founded on (identity) - the lived experience of being 'x' (gay, female, black, bourgious, child etc) necessarily gives you more knowledge and more right to discuss the specifics of their lived experience.

(In good hegelian/leftist tradition - Badiou could be considered as accepting that something of the order of 'false consciousness' must be considered as existing, though he'd put it differently...)

I'll get back to the Event and the other issues later...
 
 
Jackie Susann
22:46 / 08.11.05
But isn't this like Womens Studies 101 stuff? The identification of specific marked differences (being a woman, queer, a migrant...) as 'particularistic' against an unspecified normative 'universalism' effectively renders the unmarked (straight, white, male) as universal.

I agree its obvious that not all forms of feminism or queer politics or whatever are radical. But I think that attempting to return to universal concepts is a) a way of not engaging with them politically and b) pomo Maoism.

I would like to add that despite my sarcastic tone, which for some reason I find unavoidable in talking about Badiou, I am enjoying this discussion and look forward to your comments on ontology and c.
 
 
sdv (non-human)
12:49 / 10.11.05
No it doesn't - his philosophy and the (mathematical) ontology is specifically constructed to refuse this 'humanist' understanding of the universal. Badiou's work is anti-humanist and consequently whilst refusing the particular he also refuses 'man' which as yet another particularism. Ultimately what Badiou is doing here is to refuse Lyotard's postmodern insight: 'the end of the grand narrative of human liberation' - which also contains Lyotard's nihalistic subset that (human) emancipation is no longer feasible as a universal. Badiou's intention in reinstating the universal is to bring back the possibility of human emancipation...

(Badiou reduces me to...the question is how can he not ?)



the other things tomorrow...
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:16 / 10.11.05
My point isn't that he deliberately does this, but that every project that dismisses 'the particular' constructs a universality in a way that tends to let the White Male Worker as Subject of History slip in through the back door, kinda. The fact that he's claimed the model for gay and women's liberation is animal liberation does little to convince me that's not happening here.
 
 
sdv (non-human)
13:54 / 11.11.05
Dread,

Ok - let me try a different way into the Work... The promised Badiou/ontological note will follow later.

Badiou's discourse is constructed around the concepts of truth, event and subject - for Badiou a truth is initiated by an event and expands virus like, through multiple subjective efforts that remains always incomplete. In this sense then truth is never merely a matter of theory but is primarily a 'practical question' . Often in these terms this is described as 'something that occurs, an excess, an evental exception' and so on to the extent that what results is 'a process from which something new emerges'. This is not then the same as a relation between object and knowledge. The similarity of relation between Deleuze and Badiou in this is that for both of them - each truth is both singular and universal. For Badiou then a truth-event is not a normal event but one which opens a new state, for example Badiou produces (correctly ) that : “ The undecidability of an event and the suspension ot its name are both features of politics that are particularly active today. It is clear that the events of May 68 continue to comprise an unattested or anonymous promise...” Just as the events of November 2005 in France are such an event.

This is referenced directly by Eric Alliez in his great little book 'the signature of the world' - "...contemporary philosophy as an ontology of the present - could be and must be thought starting from the idea of a maximal ontological tension between Deleuze and Badiou. In my view (Alliez's) Deleuze and Badiou constitute the extreme polarities of the contemporary field, such as the latter divergently articulates its materialist necessity into singularities and multiplicities..."

As long as it's understood that Badiou's truth is a truth always in process then the relations to Delueze's process ontology are equally recognizable. In the early days of Badiou's work he was as engaged in a subordinated relationship to history and historical trends. [As indeed we all were]. The philosophical conception of Truth was irrelevant and was being reconstituted as something more contingent, it made little difference whether you were engaged in the anti-humanist line of thought and practice or had more Hegelian tendencies. Truth fragmented and became increasingly discontinuous, heterogeneous. This is evident through the understanding of the various well documented historical disasters, because history can no longer be considered a container but only a condition (post-Foucault no historical concept can be anything but contingent), Truth becomes a result of a singular event, a 'post-evental' consequence. It is as 'process' that we can understand how the event is it's beginning. The truth of the revolution is to found in its participants, located in the words spoken by revolutionaries, in the tragic decisions of Lenin rather than the distant commentaries and remote judgements of Western historians. This bizarre notion of truth is one that extends beyond what can be demonstrated or proved through evidence.

The process is in someways related to Lyotard's notion of a differend – but is more demanding because it does not merely require a discursive relationship between an object and a word, an event and a discursive gesture - even a use of logic as a process of verification. Truth for Badiou is entirely materialist - so to argue that a media-event of the cultural industries is in some sense related to an 'event' - as Badiou constructs it is to continue the idea that all events are equivalent in the same way that media-events are. Even media-events attempting to express the truth are always ultimately reduced to an equivalence with all other media-events as logic alone shows. Badiou by emphasizing the singularity of 'Truth-Events' maintains that an event such as November 2005 or May 68 are truth events but their representations can never be. For Badiou with his materialist conception of truth there can be no transcendental truth or truths only those that emerge from a specificity of the situation - and in relations of truth, of course atemporal - how could they be otherwise?

For Badiou (and I think for anyone with a scientific and engineering understanding) there is a necessary and important distinction between truth and knowledge. Truths as said above take place post-eventually - each truth emerges from a singularity, which is as Badiou says a 'universalizable singularity' that is a generic characteristic of the event. [For example - Lyotard's Postmodern Condition does name and attempts to define a change in the socio-historical moment - a change from one moment to another. As such it can be said to delineate a singularity, in a related sense to the singularity of the pre-human creating the first tools/technics which ends in creating/evolving us].

The universal is absolutely critical - for it's here that Badiou marks a return and an advance, a significant moment which marks change as possible. The examples you refer to are knowledge and not truths - and knowledge in his scheme can be particular and specific. To simplify drastically given that maths/science has a particular place in his schema - i knowledge is equivalent to science, which of course has nothing but theories and propositions that always wait to be proven to be false and incorrect - there are no certainties or truths in knowledge.
 
 
Jackie Susann
22:54 / 15.11.05
yeah but what i keep coming back to is that philosophy is not maths and asserting that you're arguments are Truths is a rhetorical gesture meant to shut other people up. nothing Badiou says or could say is uncontestable on a 1 + 1 = 2 level. if i am just being too dumb to understand the maths, okay. but my impression is he trades on people being unable to understand the math, and hence too easily impressed by mathematised rhetoric.

That said, this article on the French riots is interesting despite the trot-style Join the Party! moments.
 
 
sdv (non-human)
12:54 / 16.11.05
whilst the ontology is difficult (problematic even) i tend towards thinking of Badiou's ontology more positively than Heidegger's poetical based one... probably because Badiou's work is at least constituted around a living langauge...

later
 
 
Jackie Susann
20:03 / 21.11.05
yeah but again, i couldn't care less what his ontology is, its when he derives particular political positions from ontology - i.e., his politics happen to be inscribed in the nature of Being* - that i think something a bit dodge is going on. i would think this even if i agreed with his politics.

* - i know being means something different in Badiouan terminology, i mean it here in the trad ontological sense.
 
 
sdv (non-human)
15:25 / 23.11.05
oh - you mean that basically what drives your personal (mis)-understanding of Badiou is a political disagreement.

That is a very different case than disliking his Platonism - politically for example I make dislike the politics of Heidegger - so obviously a fascists - but do not dislike the philosophy of Heidegger for this reason... different thing entirely...
 
 
Jackie Susann
09:02 / 24.11.05
no, what drives my disagreement is the attempt to use ontology to ground politics (which may be a misunderstanding on my part) - my problems with the specific politics are incidental.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
11:05 / 24.11.05
How can you have a politics that is disconnected from ontology?
 
 
Jackie Susann
03:11 / 28.11.05
okay every politics has an implicit ontology but this is not the same as an argument which goes:

X is the nature of being
Y is the very specific political practice logically implied by the nature of being.

does that make sense? its one thing to observe that political arguments have ontological suppositions, its another to assert that the nature of ontology justified the Chinese cultural revolution (or any other particular political event.) isn't it?
 
 
sdv (non-human)
18:09 / 30.11.05
useful link...

http://www.irrationalnumbers.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/badiou-politics.pdf

similar in some ways to the newly published 'metapolitics' text from 98...
 
 
Lurid Archive
15:17 / 01.12.05
I can't help but feel, on reading that piece, that the math is used to intimidate the audience and is ultimately supportive of a kind of academic elitism. But, I suppose, the audience were also experts and this talk wasn't intended for a general audience.

Also, to be fair, the math analogy isn't all that bad (despite the fact that it imposes a narrative which seems more than a little contentious), and I only had one really big groan when I read the claim that Cohen's extremely abstract results in set theory owe something to and were inspired by revolutionary ideas in the 60s. All in all, I thought it was suprisingly readable, even though I can't claim to have completely grasped the points being made.
 
 
sdv (non-human)
09:15 / 10.02.06
anyone picked up a copy of Being and Event yet ?
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
14:38 / 26.07.07
I've read the middle third of Being and Event, as well as the smaller book Ethics. Badiou's writing is consistently polemic. I can't help but think of him as a secular Kierkegaard, in that one only becomes a subject through a chosen fidelity to an event. Meaning, one needs to have a politics, an art form, a scientific endevour or a fierce love in order to be a true subject.

He's in line with guys like Zizek that attack "convictionless pomos." He's in love with the idea of radical action.

All of which sounds fine, until I came across this paragraph about the Chinese cultural revolution from this post:

"But the acts of violence, often so extreme? The hundreds of thousands of dead?* The persecutions, especially against intellectuals? One will say the same thing about them as about all the acts of violence that have marked the history, to this very day, of any expansive attempts to practice a free politics. The radical subversion of the eternal order that subjects society to wealth and to the wealthy, to power and to the powerful, to science and to scientists, to capital and to its servants, cannot be sweet, progressive and peaceful. There is already a great and rigorous violence of thought when you cease to tolerate that one counts what the people think for nothing, for nothing the collective intelligence of workers, for nothing, to say the truth, any thought that is not homogenous to the order in which the hideous reign of profit is perpetuated. The theme of total emancipation, practiced in the present, in the enthusiasm of the absolute present, is always situated beyond Good and Evil, because, in the circumstances of action, the only known Good is what the status quo establishes as the precious name of its own subsistence. Extreme violence is therefore reciprocal to extreme enthusiasm, because it is in effect, to speak like Nietzsche, a matter of the transvaluation of all values. The Leninist passion for the real, which is also the passion of thought, is without morality. The only status of morality, as Nietzsche saw, is genealogical. It is a residue of the old world. Thus, for a Leninist, the threshold of tolerance to what, seen from our old and pacified present, is the worst, is incredibly high, regardless of the camp that one belongs to. This is obviously what causes some today to speak of the barbarity of the century. Nevertheless, it is altogether unjust to isolate this dimension of the passion for the real. Even when it is a question of the persecution of intellectuals, as disastrous as its spectacle and effects may be, it is important to recall that what makes it possible is that it is not the privileges of knowledge that command the political access to the real. Like Fouquier-Tinville said during the French Revolution, when judging and condemning to death Lavoisier, the creator of modern chemistry: The Republic does not need scientists. Barbarous words if there ever were, totally extremist and unreasonable, but that must be understood, beyond themselves, in their abridged, axiomatic form: The Republic does not need. It is not from need, from interest, or from its correlate, privileged knowledge, that derives the political capture of a fragment of the real, but from the occurrence of a collectivisable thought, and from it alone. This can also be stated as follows: politics, when it exists, grounds its own principle regarding the real, and thus is in need of nothing, save for itself."

How are we supposed to take this? Are we actually supposed to believe that contemporary western capitalism is a worse state than China in the 1950s and 1960s? I just don't get this guy sometimes.

*I'm sure he meant to say millions dead.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
18:46 / 26.07.07
I'm taking it (much like the rest of Ethics) in the same way I take a Frank Miller comic, a Coheed and Cambria album or Uwe Boll film, in that there is such perverse devotion to an aesthetic (in Badiou a Truth) utterly opposed to everything I think or know that it becomes almost worthy of respect. I say almost because Ethics induced total intellectual vertigo in me- I was baffled and repelled and compelled in equal measure. He's seeing "passion for the real", I'm seeing dull little men vastly over-estimating their own intellect and position vis the moral high ground and billions suffering as the result (if we factor in Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and other enthusiasts). And what exactly does he mean by the 'radical subversion of the eternal order'? There's an eternal order now?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:09 / 27.07.07
How are we supposed to take this? Are we actually supposed to believe that contemporary western capitalism is a worse state than China in the 1950s and 1960s?

Well, you could ask the Iraqis or the Ethiopans about that.

I've not read remotely enough Badiou to comment on his argument, but one must beware of allowing "China in the 1950s" to act as a sort of universal closer, making criticism of our own system impossible or ridiculous by comparison, or assuming that the side of "western capitalism" we see, and benefit from, and which allows us to be sitting here talking about it, is the same as what the rest of the subjected world gets (which is, I beleive, the point).
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
15:42 / 27.07.07
one must beware of allowing "China in the 1950s" to act as a sort of universal closer, making criticism of our own system impossible or ridiculous by comparison

Agreed, absolutely. Badiou (and others like Zizek) have convinced me that the standard sentiment of "liberal democratic capitalism is the worst kind of state except for any other" is wrong headed.

Where Badiou loses me is when he starts to praise figures like Mao and historical situations (If I can use the word "situation" stripped of Badiouian overtones) like Mao's China as somehow superior to our own situation.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
15:45 / 27.07.07
Well, you could ask the Iraqis or the Ethiopans about that.

Even if the Iraq war is the truth of liberal democratic capitalism (LDC, for short!) how is it in anyway comparable to Mao's China? They seem to be orders of magnitude apart in terms of the suffering inflicted upon the people.

nd what exactly does he mean by the 'radical subversion of the eternal order'? There's an eternal order now?

I think when Badiou speaks of this "eternal order," it's a rhetoric along the lines of Heidegger's "always already." Humans are "always already capitalists." Eternity is one long march to liberal democratic capitalism. The eternal order is the "obviously true" recieved status quo.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
03:37 / 29.07.07
It may be useful to add here that Badiou's political heritage is definitely Maoist. He used to be one, as far as I know. So the reference to the Cutlural Revolution is not accidental.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
00:32 / 30.07.07
Sure. Back in his Maoist days, he and Deleuze used to mix it up. No love lost between those two; the introduction Badiou wrote to his book about Deleuze is downright polemic. But then, everything he writes is polemic.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:10 / 30.07.07
Even if the Iraq war is the truth of liberal democratic capitalism (LDC, for short!) how is it in anyway comparable to Mao's China? They seem to be orders of magnitude apart in terms of the suffering inflicted upon the people.

Well, "the Iraq War" as a situation hasn't been going on for nearly as much time as "Mao's China", and Iraq is a much smaller place, so you have a good point - but even then, when you consider all the things that are going on in Iraq beyond even the scope of say the BBC (and on which I find a good source of information to be the Lenin's Tomb resistance dossier) it becomes less and less difficult to say that the situation for the average Iraqi could be as or more hellish than the average peasant under Mao.

Of more importance was my reference to the Ethiopan famine, which I would like to broaden out to all that suffering in the downtrodden countries which is linked in first or second-order to the process of LDC active in the rich countries (just to get a brief recap, the unnecesary suffering I'm talking about also occurs in India, Pakistan, Colombia, Brazil, Nigeria, Kenya, indigenous communities in the USA and Australia, Senegal, and yet more, not to mention the huge wealth gaps in the "rich" countries themselves). And of course climate change.

So the Iraq war is the stab wound, the widespread famine and poverty - and the co-carcinogen, climate change - is the regular bludgeoning meted out by LDC.

This is not to say we should all decide that Mao was right all along, although like every bad leader he did get one or two things right, which we might be able to salvage or modify (with should be approached with the utmost caution, but not with the fear which LDC would have us feel). It would also be worth remembering that among all this Mao-bashing China today is still viciously governed and riddled with problems despite it's having adopted "Market Leninism".

I'm currently reading around this topic, so if I'm wrong and people feel there is asolutely nothing worth salvaging from Mao, please feel free to chip in - but, as with the Russian Revolution, what Mao's Revolution will always have in its favour is that there was a previous period of extreme poverty and opression that it did get rid of - it's in fact a classic trick of LDC to have us think that Russia just pre-Revolution was a chocolate box of romantic villages and dancing princesses, when in fact it was pogroms, mass poverty, feudalism, and the Tsarist secret police machine-gunning novellists to death; or that China pre-Mao was something like a Ming vase of pretty pagodas and people strumming Yang-Qins, when actually it was in the clutches of Imperial Japan, and school-children were being executed for minor disobedience. Eulogies to the mythic pre-revolutionary past are great in a Nabokov novel but we should never let them cloud our perception of the real relations at a given point in geography or history.

I don't know what others have to say about this, but I have come to think that the Maoist and Stalinist terrors are a function not of Communism but of the sheer logistical and humanitarian difficulty of running what are really, geograpihcally/ethnically, Empires, as one huge State, and that attempts at any system in such a place, be it Royalty or Liberalism or whatever, will run into problems and start harming people. Russia is just a much harder country to run properly than Britain. In other words Communism in a West European country need not look anything like "Soviet Russia", and had Tsarist Russia survived to this day it might look very simmilar to "Soviet Russia" the minute you stepped outside the court and the manor house. We hear a lot about East Germany in the 60s with the propaganda posters and the loudspeakers installed on posts in every village, but again do we really not beleive that the Tsars, had they existed into the 60s, would have been quite happy to use such tactics? And what about the pogroms? Might we even have seen happy collaboration between the Romanovs and the Nazis?

As a coda, I for one am dubious as to whether the "Democratic" element of "Liberal Democratic Capitalism" is really as bad as the other two words in that phrase. Even then I think it's important to remember that the "liberalism" of which we speak here is economic liberalism, not social liberalism (which never hurt anyone, and anyone who says there is too much of it should not be trusted). I'd like to make this clear as I feel somebody stumbling across this thread and skimming it might get the wrong end of the stick.
 
  

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