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The Mercury Music Prize

 
  

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haus of fraser
16:28 / 22.09.05
Which sounds like a lot, eh? But entails her record company losing loadsamoney.

Do we know that they definitely lost money- or that they didn't make as much money as they had hoped for?

what was her advance? Surely because it contained a couple of bonefide hit singles meant that money was made back on the PRS?

I'm not arguing for the hell of it $hot- i'm genuinely curious- I would assume that these were good record sales- not that it should matter.

I still don't see the issue you/ and others have with the mercury prize- nothing you have told me has me conviced that there is anything really wrong with it...
 
 
Haus Of Pain
09:01 / 23.09.05
The folks at the Mercury Music Prize are terrorists.

Is that enough of a reason Copey.

Your either with us or against us. Now let's round up those folks at the MMP & nuke 'em.

Fucking Commie Terrorist Music Prize.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:12 / 23.09.05
Can we talk about music pls ok thnx bye.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
10:48 / 23.09.05
To be fair, Copey, I was a bit surprised when I found out the actual sales figures...483,000 in the UK, which is actually fairly respectable...many artists don't sell nearly that many, but for some reason her album is consistently talked down in industry circles as a massive flop...I think considering the press and PR she got, it was extremely disappointing, and I very much doubt polydor recouped (I wonder, actually, if the Mercury Prize Money is covered in record deals (or hers, anyway) these days, as part of the artiste schedule to the record company...be interesting to find out), though perhaps EMI publishing did...

PRS has fuck all to do with the label, btw, unless they highly unlikely managed to sign the publishing to their publishing arm...which almost never happens. It belongs to the writers, and that's all there is to it, and will be collected by the pub. co. for a commission...so in Ms D's case, she's signed to Polydor Records (a subsidiary of EMI), but her publishing is signed to EMI Publishing, a seperate company, though blah blah multinational only 3 or 4 massive conglomerates left in the world fishpaste.)

Although it's little to do with the thread (sorry):

The EU and independent music companies testify in court in merger appeal test case SonyBMG

Independent music companies will today challenge the European competition watchdog in court in Luxembourg over its decision to wave through the SonyBMG merger last year. The one-day hearing plays a vital role in the appeal which has already been fastracked by the court. This is the first time small businesses have taken on the Commission in legal action of this scale.

The case will consider vital questions. How the EU should have assessed the impact of the merger and how it should take into account the interest of competitors and citizens, especially in sectors which are already heavily concentrated? This is one of a recent string of appeals against different merger decisions, which have been lost by the Commission. The independents believe that the Commission�s decision in SonyBMG is similarly very difficult to defend. The independents simply want the EU to do its job as the guardian of real competition, consumer value and choice and cultural diversity and more importantly citizenship rights and obligations. This is a test case that is expected to change how all future mergers are treated by the EU.
The hearing will be a watershed. Not only for the music sector. Not only for the cultural diversity. But for all small businesses who believe that competition rules should not be the playground of the multinationals. Ultimately it will be a watershed for all European and non-European citizens. The issues are truly global. What is at stake is not only what kind of music landscape we want our children to live in but more importantly what kind of world we and our children want to live in:

- would you accept 4 films companies in the world?
- would you accept 4 television companies in the world?
- would you accept 4 book publishers in the world?
- would you accept 4 concert promoters in the world?
- would you accept 4 political parties in the world?
- more importantly, in a free world, would you accept 4 newspapers publishers?

So why would you accept 4 (soon 3) music conglomerates in the world?

The appeal is part of the independents� campaign to highlight the need to promote creativity and confront the economic, cultural and democratic dangers of media concentration.

More here.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
10:56 / 23.09.05
Wow, the html is going batshit.

There's is more over at:

http://www.forculturaldiversity.org

Very interesting, if you give a fuck it may be a good idea to sign the petition. Have a read.

This should be another thread, sorry. Please resume Mercury Proze discussion, which is not at all any of the things I said when drunk and regurgitating crap mindlessly from my sick memory. Ithangyew.
 
 
Jub
09:50 / 23.02.06
bump.

Don't really know enough about this to start a thread but upthread Seth Lakeman was mentioned, and I've just been given Kitty Jay and am really enjoying it. It's folk though - so I was a bit apprehensive at first, but then I cast off the shackles of doubt and it's really good now.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:17 / 23.02.06
I went to school with Seth Lakeman.

He's a cunt.
 
 
Seth
11:10 / 23.02.06
I am Seth Lakeman.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:44 / 23.02.06
He's played at my venue. I didn't like it much. Power folk. I believe his fiddling is considered excellent by those who care.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
15:00 / 23.02.06
To those who don't, and to those who've had to suffer his annoyingly posh brand of arsewipe unfunny snobbery at parties, he will remain: A Cunt.

He had a stunning girlfriend as well. Double cunt.
 
 
Jub
15:42 / 23.02.06
LSN - really? Why so bad?

The album grows and grows on me - and I'm not really sure knowing he's a cunt (with a stunning girlfriend!) will make me think less of his voice, but it's always interesting to know these things.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
09:54 / 27.02.06
Consider yourself PM'ed with updates on the Lord Nuneaton Savage versus Seth "Cunt" Lakeman magical war...
 
 
Baobab Branches and Plastic
12:34 / 27.02.06
To those who don't, and to those who've had to suffer his annoyingly posh brand of arsewipe unfunny snobbery at parties, he will remain: A Cunt.

He had a stunning girlfriend as well. Double cunt.


...and the next host of the Brits is...
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
15:13 / 27.02.06
Only if I can do it pissed on brandy, dressed in the skin of Mick Fleetwood and carrying an Uzi...
 
 
Baobab Branches and Plastic
20:31 / 27.02.06
Your not Bill Drummond are you?
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
07:45 / 28.02.06
He wishes.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:14 / 28.02.06
Feel free to start talking about music at absolutely any time, people...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
21:16 / 28.02.06
Can we? Oh thanks!
 
 
Baobab Branches and Plastic
11:23 / 01.03.06
Apparently so.

I find these awards ceremony pretty crap really. Smile clap clap, try and get some more people to recognise you, thanks to all the people that you want money/help from, walk off and get pissed. But then I haven't watched one in ages, so things might have changed.

Of course saying that, I'd love to prance about waving a statuette and tell Jamiroquis he's a cunt.
 
 
nighthawk
11:22 / 18.07.06
So this year's shortlist is out. What do people think? I'd like to see Sway win it, although I have never heard some of these acts.

# Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not
# Isobel Campbell & Mark Lanegan - Ballad Of The Broken Seas
# Editors - The Back Room
# Guillemots - Through The Windowpane
# Richard Hawley - Coles Corner
# Hot Chip - The Warning
# Muse - Black Holes And Revelations
# Zoe Rahman - Melting Pot
# Lou Rhodes - Beloved One
# Scritti Politti - White Bread, Black Beer
# Sway - This Is My Demo
# Thom Yorke - The Eraser
 
 
haus of fraser
11:43 / 18.07.06
If we're going to carry on with this thread can a mod ammend the title to just The Mercury Prize as this is 2006 we're talking about.

A quick look over the list and my favourite (of those i know) has got to be Richard Hawleys 'Coles Corner' a bloody great record that i have written about elsewhere. Its like a missing scott walker album with lush strings and crooning- maybe even (IMHO and controversially) a better lyricist than Scott Walker. Makes you all sad and happy at the same time- wishing you grew up in Shefield or summit.

Check out the tracks Born Under A Bad Sign and The Ocean to see what i mean.

I reckon The Arctic Monkeys have gotta be the bookies favourite and while slightly annoying i've begrudgingly had to admit that i've enjoyed a couple of their tunes- and they're slightly less punchable than the Kaiser Chiefs- thats fer sure.

I liked the Isobel Campbell and Mark Laneghan record- but it never really got under my skin- i don't think it was one of the best records of last year. I also find it weird that she toured the record without laneghan - and his bits are the best bits, it almost like she did backing vocals on large parts of the record- never mind the best tracks imho are Honey Child what can i do- cos they bounce off each other brilliantly and Ramblin Man which sounds like Beat Happening with strings.

I haven't really listened to much else on the list- i'm sure Muse will top the Kerrang polls at the end of the year cos it seems to be making a huge impression- but not really a band that do it for me- and not really i'd imagine a Mercury band either- could be wrong?

Any more thoughts/ recommends?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:51 / 18.07.06
God, I'm out of touch. I've heard ONE of those albums (the Yorke). Though I'm interested to hear the new Scritti Politti.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:19 / 18.07.06
I'll be praying for anyone but Yorke as he's the only person who's career I don't want to see going down the shitter after winning this. Whatever happened to Antony and the Johnsons anyway?
 
 
The Falcon
15:43 / 18.07.06
For the same reason, I will be hoping the horrible, horrible Hot Chip (I've only heard that single, but it was quite enough, thank you) win.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:12 / 18.07.06
Whatever happened to Antony and the Johnsons anyway?

They're still huge among the World Serpent crowd, as they were before they won the award. Antony's on the latest Current 93 album.

Not sure how that counts career-wise, really.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:05 / 18.07.06
It's quite common for an act to not be in the public eye between albums, and I'd imagine Anthony is recording the next one. Not sure why anyone would wish harm on every nominated artist's career (apart from Yorke) in that list...
 
 
The Falcon
19:13 / 18.07.06
Do you like Hot Chip, flyboy? Do you want it 'over and over and over, like the monkey with the miniature symbol'?

I don't quite know why I dislike them so much, tbh.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:15 / 20.07.06
Hot Chip are very specific, aren't they?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:46 / 20.07.06
I don't really have a strong opinion on Hot Chip. I can't quite remember what 'Over & Over' sounds like (I think I can remember how it goes, but that's not the same thing). I've got a version of 'Boy From School' which it always strikes me would be good if it didn't have the vocals. But I think that's a remix.

I still don't wish them ill, though...
 
 
haus of fraser
14:55 / 20.07.06
Hot chip did a great video with Hammer & Tongs kind of a bit like art attack but without the bloke from Number 73 in it but with aliens and lava instead.

I've not yet been totally swayed as to their musical merits but i certainly don't find them an obvious target for my hate.
 
 
jamesPD
09:10 / 05.09.07
Does the Mercury Music Prize exist solely to piss me off? How fucking bad were the other nominees if Klaxons walked away with the prize?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:56 / 05.09.07
It was dismal viewing, to be sure. Even the people I quite liked came across badly - it's all so safe and yes yes yes we will play the game... pity poor Dizzee Rascal going "I want to see you dance!" when everyone is sat 'cabaret style' like a fucking party conference, wondering when the free wine is going to run out and if it's time to take a coke break yet. The Klaxons were one of the worst, though. Maybe not as incompetent as the Young Bank Managers, sorry, Knives or as detestable on principle as Jamie T, but pretty awful.

Only a third or so of Amy Winehouse's album is good, but at least she had presence.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
10:20 / 05.09.07
Luckily, I turned the TV on just as Basquiat Strings were doing their quite interesting thing. The Klaxons came on later, and were predictably shit. Anyone know anything about this Basquiat Strings? I can tell off their Myspace page that they're doing a free gig at the National Portrait Gallery on the 14th September. Might just go to that! Anyone seem them live before? And lastly, apart from Acoustic Ladyland, I haven't heard anything of or about any of their F-IRE label mates. Anything I should pick up?

Back to Basquiat Strings - it took me maybe ten bars to go from the initial impression "this could be quite good if it wasn't so classicallytrainedtwitstryingtobedownwithdagroove" to "classicallytrainedtwitstotallyondagroove AND RAWKING!!"
And the drummer had the biggest hair I've seen on a white person since I cannot remember. Besides being really fucking good.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:24 / 05.09.07
I have to admit, my opinion of "ver Strings" is quite different. I thought they were there to make it seem even more appropriate that the award is sponsored by a bank - perhaps they can soundtrack the next Nationwide TV ad?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:26 / 05.09.07
I disagree I thought they were okay, could do better but definitely interesting and frankly if you think that's music for a building society advert then you 1)weren't listening to what they were playing and 2)haven't watched any building society adverts recently.
 
  

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