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New Grant Morrison interviews!

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
13:44 / 05.12.05
you know, weird, by taking sentences out of context, you can justify the shoah.

It's good that you feel that you being wrong is such a horrible, horrible idea that it is comparable to the Holocaust, or that the Holocaust was such a trifling matter that it is worth throwing in as a debating point to distract attention from your incoherent arguments.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:03 / 05.12.05
Godwin's writing the X-Men now?
 
 
louisemichel
15:01 / 05.12.05
ok weird, that's it.
you're right,
I'm wrong.

Happy ?
 
 
louisemichel
15:03 / 05.12.05
oh, may I add...
I'm soooo wrong.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:35 / 05.12.05
Godwin's writing the X-Men now?

Look out for The Further Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix, wherein Jean and Scott believe that they have been mysteriously transported in time back to Nazi Germany, but in fact are still in present-day AmeriKKKA. Because that's what AmeriKKKa's like. Just like Nazis. Yes.
 
 
The Falcon
22:21 / 05.12.05
Actually, the Hine analogy's not a bad one to take further, Louise; several of the company's stable wrote independently published books (Bendis, Brubaker, Kirkman) and were regarded highly as fringe writers.

Now some sell a great deal more comics, but it is difficult to find a coherent endorsement of these latter works on franchises; solely in - I think - all of the above's cases, at the detriment of anything they (might) have created for themselves. Along with other hard to quantify ancillaries, like 'vision'.

In short - is Brian 'New Avengers' Bendis a better writer than B.M.'Torso' Bendis? I don't think so (Daredevil, otoh, I could make the argument..) I think his abilities - such as they are - suffer for having to write, from being assigned a certain kind of comic, and in this sense he is less of/is not a success.

There's other ways of framing the debate (e.g. a creator-owned title selling >20,000 copies is a success, a franchise comic selling at a similar level is liable to be cancelled,) but your singular position on success is daft, bud. Please give it up.
 
 
The Falcon
22:24 / 05.12.05
Well, it's not that difficult (finding endorsement) in a lot of cases, but if you look at Kirkman's career thus far at Marvel, no-one's on the rooftops about it. They were when he worked at Image. Likewise, Bendis has seen the critical barometer drop sharply regarding his writing.
 
 
louisemichel
16:31 / 06.12.05
"There's other ways of framing the debate (e.g. a creator-owned title selling >20,000 copies is a success, a franchise comic selling at a similar level is liable to be cancelled,) but your singular position on success is daft, bud. Please give it up. "

I give up, but I like what you just said...

"I think his abilities - such as they are - suffer for having to write, from being assigned a certain kind of comic, and in this sense he is less of/is not a success."

you said the magic word : I think.
It's highly subjective if his abilities suffer. Every opinion is objective. Numbers are not.
That's just what I wanted to say.
But I don't care, let's remember what Mel Gibson said to a journalist : "I'm rich." And when the journalist asked him, baffled "you mean, rich, as in rich of inner wisdom" or somme crap like that, he looked at him, smiling and answered : "no, rich."
Success... highly subjective indeed.
And now, let's let this thread die...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:09 / 06.12.05
Let's. I think you've demonstrated pretty much conclusively how profitable trying to reason with you is. Swingball, anyone?
 
 
The Falcon
18:39 / 06.12.05
It seems unnecessarily and wilfully corporatist to posit as you are, Louise. That's my #1 objection.
 
 
louisemichel
04:46 / 07.12.05
every opinion is Subjective, not objective. me moron.
 
 
louisemichel
04:51 / 07.12.05
Duncan, of course it's corporatist...
I'm a writer.
And I don't consider myself as successful, even if a lot of people consider me as successful... see the nuance ?
 
 
Ganesh
06:48 / 07.12.05
Surely success in comics is marked by having attracted a wunnerful wife?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:54 / 07.12.05
And I don't consider myself as successful, even if a lot of people consider me as successful... see the nuance ?

This "nuance" is proposition (c) - A writer can only judge his or her own success commercially. As such, this still applies:

a) A writer's success can be judged both critically and commerically.
b) A writer's success can be judged only commercially
c) A writer can only judge his or her own success commercially.

If a) is true and c) is true, it follows that d) People who are not the writer are able to judge the writer as a success using criteria both critical and commercial. However, b) contradicts this, stating as it does that the only possible criterion for the assessment of a writer's success is how much money they have made.


Also, YOU'RE ALL NAZIS I'M GOING TO MY ROOM!!!
 
 
louisemichel
16:01 / 07.12.05
Ganesh : of course, she's hot. with a Phd.
 
 
Ganesh
16:39 / 07.12.05
"Phdhot"?
 
 
louisemichel
05:54 / 08.12.05
it's kind od a new word...
 
 
Triplets
06:46 / 08.12.05
Is this current bout of threadrot terminal?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:31 / 08.12.05
Dude, when was this thread ever on topic? First ten posts or so? Right now it is a sustained attempt to recode the English language to support the contention that Morrison is the most sucessful writer in the history of English letters and is best best best, in the hope that he may look with favour upon us for heroic service and invite us over for highballs and swingball.
 
 
Ganesh
09:07 / 08.12.05
Strong truth. Etc.
 
 
The Falcon
09:35 / 08.12.05
Right now it is a sustained attempt to recode the English language to support the contention that Morrison is the most sucessful writer in the history of English letters and is best

I don't get that at all. I thought Louise was just pursuing a daft notion, without any particular recourse to examples or anything really.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:05 / 08.12.05
Have a look back over the thread, Duncs. There's what we industry professionals call a "narrative arc".
 
 
louisemichel
10:58 / 08.12.05
yes, good idea, let's recode english language, so words change their meaning... (what do I know, I'm french...)
Now, with the recoding, asshole means someone nice.
Like in, Weird, you're really an asshole.
I think it may be a good idea, really.
Let's do it with all the other words you think of...

Just for the record, nowhere it is said that Morrison is the best successful blablabla... The topic began after 2 interviews that were borderline trash material...
But, what I feel strange is that nobody refers to the Wizard interview who is totally trash material, the interviewer spending more time speaking about himself than the guy is interviewing or his work...
 
 
Aertho
11:02 / 08.12.05
What's your fuckin point, lou?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:30 / 08.12.05
POINT IS WIFE.

Can we move this to the Conversation, please?
 
 
louisemichel
11:55 / 08.12.05
ok, I may be really intellectually challenged, but weird, could you please explain "POINT IS WIFE" ?
That, I really do not understand.
Really.
 
 
Aertho
11:59 / 08.12.05
I may be really intellectually challenged, but weird

STRONG TRUTH!
 
 
louisemichel
12:02 / 08.12.05
Chad, ahahah !
taking sentences out of context is indeed funny...
 
 
Aertho
12:05 / 08.12.05
What you didn't see there is that I answered your question and insulted you.
 
 
louisemichel
12:09 / 08.12.05
no, I saw that too...
 
 
Aertho
12:17 / 08.12.05
Then you're capable of understanding nuance, cross-referencing, and deciphering sarcasm from response. I would suggest rereading your spat with Haus, hopefully with a dictionary at your side to help with the big words.
 
 
louisemichel
12:24 / 08.12.05
Yes, and after that, i will brush my teeth and go to bed.
Honestly, who are you ?

We don't necesserally agree, but it's the point of a discussion, isn't it ?
If this board is not a place of discussion, please tell me...

And just for the record I don't remember insulting you either... You just did. And I'm the one who is wrong. I love this place.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:31 / 08.12.05
taking sentences out of context is indeed funny..

And can justify the... no, I'm sorry, I just can't do it.
 
  

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