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Kanye West: 'George Bush Doesn't Care About Black People'

 
  

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Cherielabombe
18:07 / 04.09.05
I must admit, if that was a gimmick to get me to buy Kanye's album, it worked.
 
 
Shrug
18:46 / 04.09.05
True, but he does seem devastated full of real and tangible emotion about the whole state of affairs. Even if it is a gimmick, which I very much doubt, his apparent sincerity and real justified anger will ,I think, reach out across television land and provoke activity amongst both his fans and his detractors.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:06 / 04.09.05
We cynics are a hunch of cunts, really (in case anyone didn't get what I meant by "us", I include myself in this). We slate people for NOT using a platform to do good... and we slate them when they do because it seems like a stunt.

Cynic though I am, I'd rather they did the latter, to be honest.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:41 / 04.09.05
I kind of regard this in the same way that I regard Sarandon, Robbins, Michael Moore and all of the other celebrities who have stood up at the Oscars and said something political. They're shunned by the media in some way because they dared to put their real views across at the wrong time. Well there isn't a wrong time to do this kind of thing. It's okay to commandeer public, media driven events to tell people what's bad about the world.

Do I think that Kanye West was pulling a publicity stunt? No, there was no bravado about that statement, he was clearly angry and upset and he steeled himself before delivering that statement. It came out as an absolute truth. Despite that even if this was a publicity move I couldn't give a crap because that wouldn't make those words any less true.
 
 
Slim
23:46 / 04.09.05
To be fair, people steel themselves before telling a lie just as much as they steel themselves before telling a truth. Kanye's demeanor would have been the same if he felt like he was about to tell a big, fat lie in front of millions on television.
 
 
Aertho
00:23 / 05.09.05
Common sense still says he's pissed and angry and scared.

He's not being controversial for sales.
 
 
Mazarine
02:14 / 05.09.05
Given his past actions, I really don't think that this was for publicity.

I may be being naive, but I really don't think so.
 
 
sleazenation
06:50 / 05.09.05
So, Slim - do you think what Kanye West said was a 'lie' rather than, as some have suggested, a publicity stunt, or as others have suggested, an emotional outburst?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:31 / 05.09.05
It's not like becoming famous means you forfeit the right to having an opinion. And I don't really see why someone who feels strongly about something wouldn't take the opportunity to express this to as many people as possible.
 
 
Ganesh
08:29 / 05.09.05
Particularly given the general docility of the press, post 9/11, when it comes to expressing the same sentiments.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:33 / 05.09.05
See also- Cherie Blair, who I generally find irritating, but who receives enormous and undeserved amounts of shit whenever she dares to speak in a professional capacity.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
14:00 / 05.09.05
Too bad they edited what he said out the West Coast feed.
 
 
Aertho
14:07 / 05.09.05
I want to know if Jon Stewart is showing up to work.

That sunuvabitch knows he's a heard voice, even if he's "just a comedian". As if Kanye won't be guest there soon.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
16:01 / 05.09.05
Stewart was on vacation last week (and DAMN if he doesn't have a lot of vacation time) so they will probably be back tomorrow. However, I can see he focusing on how the press has finally started asking questions, since The Daily Show spends most of its time criticizing coverage of events more than events themselves.
 
 
sleazenation
18:51 / 05.09.05
Who has more vacation time, Jon Stewart of George W. ?
 
 
Aertho
18:52 / 05.09.05
That is the question.
 
 
alas
23:04 / 05.09.05
... and who is needed more by our country in this time of crisis?....
 
 
Aertho
23:15 / 05.09.05
I want to know if Jon Stewart is showing up to work.
 
 
Slim
11:31 / 06.09.05
So, Slim - do you think what Kanye West said was a 'lie' rather than, as some have suggested, a publicity stunt, or as others have suggested, an emotional outburst?

I don't know what his motivations were. My guess is that he was telling what he thought was the truth. For the most part. I'm sure that even he would agree that the statement, "George Bush doesn't care about black people." is an exaggeration.
 
 
Ganesh
11:59 / 06.09.05
It should probably have been, "George Bush doesn't care about poor people, many of whom are black".
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:28 / 06.09.05
Now, now, Ganesh. Slim is, lest we forget, Barbelith's leading expert on terrorism, comparative religion, climatology and phrenology. If he can't pick the bones out of Kanye West, who can?

Ganesh's formulation seems closer to the mark. If Kanye had been focusing a bit more, he might more accurately have said "George Bush appears largely indifferent to the plight of these particular black people, who are poor and, if they voted at all, probably voted Democrat". That does seem like a bit of a mouthful, though.

Incidentaly, since as a Switchboard thread we may be in a position to broaden it out to look at the accuracy or otherwise of the West proposition, maybe the apple is not falling too far from the tree:

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of
evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost
everyone I’ve talked to says we're going to move to
Houston."

Then she added: "What I’m hearing which is sort of
scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is
so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she
chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."


Oh, Barbara, is it always this much fun in steerage?
 
 
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12:51 / 06.09.05
I'm sure that even he would agree that the statement, "George Bush doesn't care about black people." is an exaggeration.

This is one of the reasons why I don't think it was any type of publicity stunt. I think he planned to do it, but I don't think he did it as part of an attempt to boost album sales or whatever some people might think. He's probably like a lot of other people in the sense that he sees the media as a controlled and selective (and sometimes just plain fucked up, e.g. white people getting food, black kid looting.) way of giving information to the public, and decided that that broadcast was a good opportunity to voice some of his anger and frustration at what's been going on.

With the "Geoge Bush doesn't care about black people", it seems like he wasn't happy with the way he'd said what he had, so maybe he made sure to get something on the end of it, more out of frustration that anything else.

It looked like one of those moments when you go over what you're going to say again and again, but when it comes to the time to say it, your mind goes blank and you just say whatever comes to you. I guess he'd probably thought about saying something in the few hours before he went on air and didn't have much time to plan it, and decided to do it in the first place after knowing that people were dying on the streets because help wasn't arriving fast enough.

I think he did well, considering the amount of courage it would take to pull something like that off.
 
 
ibis the being
17:02 / 06.09.05
"And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she
chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."


Yuuuuch. Some of that old classic welfare-mom stereotype going on there - we all know what kind of people sit around waiting for handouts, right? And I love the word choice - "underprivileged." Like they just don't have quite as many Playstations and SUVs as the rest of us. Sure beats being "impoverished."

I think most of use have the feeling that being poor is not the whole story here, that if those were thousands of poor white people we still would have seen a different (faster) response. I wonder if, whether it's strictly accurate or not, black people don't look like voters to Bush & Co. but white people do no matter their class - whether the value of human life really comes down to perceived voting power in Washington.
 
 
alejandrodelloco
21:17 / 06.09.05
My goddess, Barbera Bush sounds very... Marie Antoinette...
 
 
Cherielabombe
21:23 / 06.09.05
I have been trying very hard for the past few days to figure out what's the difference between the court of Louis XIV and the Bush Administration. Fewer powdered wigs?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:30 / 06.09.05
But... but... don't you want to let them eat cake?

(I am really sorry.)
 
 
MJ-12
21:42 / 06.09.05
I'm sure they'd love some cake about now, but W is even keeping that for himself.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:09 / 06.09.05
Cherialabombe- Bush is slightly more anti-French.
 
 
alejandrodelloco
00:50 / 07.09.05
Hey, George Bush already has that whole divine right thing down, anyway!
 
 
FinderWolf
15:12 / 07.09.05
Also notable - and absolutely abominable - was Wolf Blitzer's off-the-cuff statement that certain survivors he was seeing were "so poor, and so black" (actual words, he said this as he was seeing a few victims on live TV on CNN - I heard this excerpt on the radio and was wondering if it was being widely discussed/replayed in the media).
 
 
Liger Null
17:33 / 07.09.05
An interesting development, at least two people I know have quoted West as saying,"Bush hates Black people". They do this in an indignant tone, as though it couldn't possibly be true-and these are anti-Bush people (both white.)

I have had to correct them with the info that hate and indifference are two different things, and that Bush certainly doesn't love Black people, as evidenced by his little appearance at Trent Lott's former house.
 
 
ibis the being
19:12 / 07.09.05
Wolf Blitzer's off-the-cuff statement that certain survivors he was seeing were "so poor, and so black"

Someone on NPR (it may have been local station's Robin Young) suggested last week that one reason reporters were hesitant to mention the predominant race of the Hurricane victims - that is, until it became TOO OBVIOUS to ignore on day two or there - was because they were all too afraid of committing a slip of the tongue such as Blitzer's. Which certainly says something about white America's neurotic self-consciousness wtr racism, or more accurately seeming racist. But sorry to go so off-topic.
 
 
ibis the being
19:18 / 07.09.05
By the way, this blog has the clip of Blitzer's blunder. The site is a totally obnoxious "exposing liberal media bias" blog, but it's got a handy little video clip there.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:22 / 07.09.05
I'm wondering if "so poor, so black" CAN really be remotely considered merely "a slip of the tongue."
 
 
alejandrodelloco
19:32 / 07.09.05
Yes, because he wanted to say that they are poor and black. This is true. It is an instance of a generally non-bigoted person (I would presume) making an absolutely horrible comment unintentionally. Mainly, I say that because "so black" doesn't seem to make sense outside of a bad comedy movie.
 
  

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