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Six Feet Under: Series 5. The UK thread

 
  

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matthew.
13:30 / 02.11.05
I just loved the Ted/Claire thing. It was so beautiful.

Yeah, I watched the finale twice, and cried like an unstable schoolgirl for most of the episode.

Best US drama ever? Oh yeah.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:13 / 02.11.05
You can't really beat Nate slowly falling out of view of the sideview mirror as far as iconic moments of the show go. That, especially to the opening of "Breathe Me", was what punched me right in the tear ducts.
 
 
Psi-L is working in hell
10:16 / 03.11.05
I agree...watched last night and can't stop thinking about it today. Definitely one of the best finales, and series. Ever.

I loved the scenes between Ruth and Brenda's mum. It made me realise how little interaction we've seen between the two of them throughout the whole series. And Claire, just generally, made the whole thing for me.
 
 
Mike Modular
03:37 / 04.11.05
Yeah, last episode: So good.... so good... I watched the final montage again today and it was instant tears/choking. The Nate jogging/side-view bit a definite catalyst.

I'm a bit drunk and tired now to remember too much, but the one thing that sticks is the bit when Ruth rings Maggie when she's at the doctors - does that mean she's pregnant with Nate's child........?

This is the only season I've seen all of, but a late-night-Amazon-impulse-buy means that I've got all the rest coming through my letterbox soon. So I'm, like, 'cheating death' by prolonging the entire 6FU experience... Hoorah!
 
 
PatrickMM
03:43 / 04.11.05
I think Maggie's status was deliberately left ambiguous. She's the lingering question for me, I'd have liked a little bit more, whereas everyone else was wrapped up perfectly. If she was pregnant, it would mean that she'd have another chance to raise a child after what happened to her previously, which would be fitting, but if I had to imagine a death for Maggie, it would be her alone, getting more and more bitter at the world as she goes along, trapped with this guilt that she, in some way, killed Nate.
 
 
h1ppychick
17:26 / 04.11.05
I just watched it. And cried. And cried. And not in a "that was a sad film" way, in a "5-minutes-later-pottering-about-and-tears-still-seeping-out-with-occasional-sob" way. I don't know why it got to me so much. Damn, I'm off again. Must be this cold I have.
 
 
OJ
09:03 / 08.11.05
Finally got to watch it on video at the weekend. That last sequence is quite as stunning as I'd been led to expect (damn the not having the self-control to avoid spoilers).

If it weren't for the fact that I've seen the obits on the website (that self-control again), I would have read that whole sequence as being part of Claire's imagination as she drove away, rather than a definitive fate for the characters. It was an interesting shift in perspective - from Nate's view to Claire's.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:24 / 08.11.05
Wait, so NONE of you had anything to say about Anthony and Durrell?
 
 
OJ
09:36 / 08.11.05
What happened to Anthony and Durrell? They all settled down together as a family after David's little speech at the table but I didn't catch what happened to them in the final sequence, likewise Brenda's girls....

What did I miss?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:51 / 08.11.05
One of them was gay (well, with a male partner), one of them het (well, with a female partner) in the final montage. I didn't get that all on my own, though. I'm not sure that's what Matthew meant - he may have meant he was surprised there was little said about those characters in this season as a whole, in this thread - but then I've never seen the point of those "WHY is NOBODY talking about X?!?" posts. I don't have time to make my posts about even my favourite TV show exhaustive/all-encompassing. But I did love the hell out of those kids, and I loved Keith's transformation into a good father.
 
 
Smoothly
11:06 / 08.11.05
I was most stunned by their transformation into good children. As far as I could tell it was the Grace wot done it. So Amen to that.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:47 / 08.11.05
Oh he came back, which would be a big thing for children who were sure they were being left behind again.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:41 / 08.11.05
I just was amazed that no one had anything to say about Anthony and Durrell, since they were a pretty crucial part of the season's storyline. I really enjoyed watching that little family come together, but obviously it's not as dramatic as other storylines.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:44 / 08.11.05
The other thing about Anthony/Durrell is that it played into one of the major themes of the series, ie family is where you find it, not something entirely bound up in genetic relationships. The final family dinner before Claire left for NYC was so lovely.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:47 / 08.11.05
Oh, more than what their sexuality ended up being, the more important development was that Durrell eventually became a partner in Fisher & Sons and took over the business following David's death.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:49 / 08.11.05
Also that one of them (I can't remember which) took over the family business.

My heart breaks when David sees a vision of Keith in the little football game. And Ruth seeing Nate...crushing.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:50 / 08.11.05
^mind meld^
 
 
OJ
14:04 / 08.11.05
I just was amazed that no one had anything to say about Anthony and Durrell, since they were a pretty crucial part of the season's storyline.

Well I can't speak for the whole of this thread of discussion, but in the final episode their story was tied up extremely neatly - to the point of being quite "pat". I agree with Smoothly Weaving, who I'm taking to be quite sarcastic about how one saying of grace at the table appeared to have fixed everything.

I thought I had hallucinated the scene where David is passing on the secrets of draining a corpse to his teenage son. That's got to be one helluva right of passage (and one that Nate was "working through right back at the start if I remember rightly)so it stood out. But a lot of that final sequence did pass me by because it was so packed.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:07 / 08.11.05
Saying grace at the table did not fix everything. Anthony and Durrell (and Keith and David) becoming part of a family happened gradually over the course of many episodes.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:42 / 08.11.05
Flyboy is correct - saying grace was not a magical fix, it was a moment that galvanized an unconventional family. There's a lot of little moments like that leading up to that scene, but that's when you knew it was going to hold together.
 
 
PatrickMM
18:36 / 08.11.05
I see the start of the series as the dissolution of the family, and over the course of the run, the Fishers try to stick together, even as on some level each of them resents it, most notably Nate, who some level blames Ruth's desire to keep him home after Nathaniel died for all the problems he experiences over the course of the show.

It's only in the last season that we start to see family getting reconstructed, not in the old style patriarchal sense, but in a new more fluid family unit. David and Keith don't have their own kid, instead they adopt and find a way to make it fit. By the end, Ruth finds a new relationship with George, where they both are independent, but still connected, and Claire gets together with someone who's supportive of her.

But as all these families are coming together, we see Nate unable to fit into the new paradigm. Much like in season three with Lisa, he finds domestic life suffocating and struggles to find an out. This comes to a head when he and Brenda find out that their child could have a mental disorder. Caring for that child would rob him of all his freedom and make it impossible for him to leave the family life.

So, when he rejects the family and goes to Maggie, even as Brenda ultimately stands by him and goes to the Quaker church. After his stroke, he's given one last chance to apologize and commit to Brenda, but he can't. As he's dying, he rejects her and that life, he cannot be tied down to family, and the last season is all about the creation of family, so he has to go.

And without him, Brenda raises a child who's not hers, and may not even be Nate's. I love the shot in the final montage of Brenda, Willa, Maya, Olivier, Margaret and Billy all gathered around the cake, they're such an odd family, but we get the feeling that things are going to work out for them. Brenda was able to change and grow into the role of mother, while Nate was never able to stop looking for what's next.

A lot of people hated Nate after what he did, and I'll admit that the scene where he rejects Brenda is brutal, but I think it's also his first really honest moment. He's tried and cannot make that kind of life work, much like his father, it's not who he is. So, at least he is true to himself.

But, for the rest of the characters, it's in the families that they've built that they find strength, and after all the loss over the course of the show, it ends with a record of the full lives that the characters have led.
 
 
Spaniel
13:21 / 09.11.05
If it weren't for the fact that I've seen the obits on the website (that self-control again)

I'm really not sure we're supposed to take the end sequence that literally despite the obits, it being far more obvious and fantastical than the series ever was. Marketing isn't necessarily on message.

As for that final show. I cried pretty much uncontrollably at the end - TV has never done that me before. Best show evAr? Well, I'll stick with Twin Peaks, but the last season of SFU gets pretty close, and is certainly some of the most sophisticated television I've ever seen.

I love, love, love that the show refused to tell us what to think, even when it looked like that's exactly what is was doing (see Petey's comments about Claire's art), and that, yes, Nate didn't come out smelling of roses. Far fucking from it.
 
 
DaveBCooper
21:19 / 09.11.05
Just watched it, and was almost moved to tears, but that was beautifully prevented by Brenda’s death – even as she dies in front of him, Billy’s STILL talking psychobabble, presumably about himself. Laughed out loud at that.

But that was a great end to a good programme, and certainly made up for the slacker episodes in the last season or so. And for a show ostensibly about a funeral parlour, it truly was the cliché about being ‘life-affirming’.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:20 / 09.11.05
Boboss: I'm really not sure we're supposed to take the end sequence that literally despite the obits, it being far more obvious and fantastical than the series ever was. Marketing isn't necessarily on message.

I'd already read the spoilers in the US thread here and the obits on the official site, and I was expecting the multiple deaths at the end to be presented quite differently from how they were in the episode itself.

The way that sequence played out, I came away with the impression that it could just as easily be showing us Claire's predictions for the future - I mean, with the exception of Keith's, all of the deaths were relatively easy, peaceful ones. That's fantasy. Keith's is, too, only in a different way.

They could be glimpses of the actual future for these characters, sure, but I can't shake the feeling that people doing the show a bit of a disservice by not noticing how ambiguous the end sequence really was.
 
 
Spaniel
06:55 / 10.11.05
Totally agree. The sequence looked like fantasy, but, and this is important, reading it as fantasy doesn't undermine its importance.

I, for the record, thought there were no slack episodes in the last series. If anything SFU has improved over time. Dave, I'd humbly suggest that your lack of engagement with elements of the show doesn't map across its quality.
 
 
OJ
13:27 / 10.11.05
I'm really not sure we're supposed to take the end sequence that literally despite the obits, it being far more obvious and fantastical than the series ever was. Marketing isn't necessarily on message.

I agree. As I said previously a few posts above, I instincitvely saw that whole sequence as being Claire's stream-of-consciousness imagination of what's to come as she drives away to the next stage of her life. The comic elements to Brenda and Rico's deaths in particular seemed to suggest to me that it was fantasy.

But I don't actually think it matters, for all that. It was a satisfying way to end an involving drama. I would hope (and this is subjective) that viewers didn't, for example, consider the glimpses of loved ones' faces at the moment of death as being some profound spiritual statement on the part of the programme makers.
 
 
Spaniel
13:58 / 10.11.05
Sorry if you feel you've been misunderstood, OJ, but, IMO, in your earlier posts you seem to be saying the opposite.
 
 
OJ
14:42 / 10.11.05
If it weren't for the fact that I've seen the obits on the website (that self-control again), I would have read that whole sequence as being part of Claire's imagination as she drove away, rather than a definitive fate for the characters.

Boboss I've just re-read and quoted what I originally said and I see what you mean. To clarify - I did experience it as a fantasy sequence, but my reporting of it was undermined by having seen the website beforehand. I was being a little too conditional about my actual response to the programme, when it's that which will stick with me, not the marketing.

ps. If it was a misunderstanding, it's not one that caused me any offence.
 
 
Spaniel
15:59 / 10.11.05
Cool.
 
 
Peach Pie
17:14 / 10.05.06
recently bought the DVD for this. would recommend it as the audio commentaries are as much of a joy to listen to as the episodes themselves are to watch.

one of the commentators said some viewers found Nate's character progression problematic. he seemed almost heroic in the first series but seemed shallow and the slave of novelties by the fifth. i think that was the meaning of Nate's last dream, and the fact that he re-cast david as a version of himself.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:25 / 12.05.06
Well, my g/f and i have just finished the final box-set, and, yes, 6FU is the best thing EVAH11!!. I was so moved I didn't know what to do. Wow. Fucking hell. Just: gush.
 
 
Spaniel
10:29 / 12.05.06
Finally, someone I know - other than Bobosso - has actually watched this...
 
 
Peach Pie
15:57 / 17.05.06
the response from the UK may have been in part the result of showing on channel 4's subscription channel rather than their main one.

as one of the producers said, the show has really raised the bar for the standard of television.
 
 
PatrickMM
20:21 / 15.09.06
one of the commentators said some viewers found Nate's character progression problematic. he seemed almost heroic in the first series but seemed shallow and the slave of novelties by the fifth. i think that was the meaning of Nate's last dream, and the fact that he re-cast david as a version of himself.

At the end of season two, Brenda talks about how Nate used her problems as a way to distance himself from their relationship. He was the one who was ready to make a commitment, she was the one who couldn't. He used that as an excuse to cover up his basic flaw, which is he's never satisfied by anything. Nate's on a quest for meaning in his life, in the first season that's endearing to the audience, this single guy trying to make connections as he helps people overcome their grief.

Nate always thought of himself as a 'good guy,' and that's never more apparent than when he chooses to marry Lisa. However, this marriage winds up exposing all his flaws, his inherent selfishness and inability to be satisfied by what he has. I think that's what makes the character so fascinating, unlike the vast majority of fictional characters, there's no magic bullet solution for him. For David, once he's got Keith and his family, he's set. But Nate always wants more, which is why he goes after Maggie, someone who seems to have the deep spiritual meaning that he's always wanted.

Yes, he makes very selfish decisions, and it's brutal to watch him break up with Brenda on their death bed, but I never lost affection for the character. And if you want to read a whole bunch more about him, I did a lengthy blog about his arc through the whole series. I think he's the most interesting character ever put on TV.
 
 
Peach Pie
11:48 / 13.05.07

i think you might not be wrong. i watched the series again last week, and I found just as much depth to marvel at. Could you explain the notion of a character arc to me? The writers kept referring to it in the audio commentary.
 
  

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