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Essential Dazzler
21:41 / 16.08.05
Does anyone else watch this?

I still love it, Still as depressing and original as it always has been. I really wish whoever posted the US thread had spoiler-warned it.

What did Barbelith think of that episode?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
22:12 / 16.08.05
Not having had cable for a couple of years, I think I may have missed a whole series. This one did seem much darker even than before - a bit of light relief would have been good. Maybe the opening death was the funny bit. There seemed to be a higher proportion of hallucinations this time too or am I just forgetting?

I felt that all the characters seemedd to be being stretched to the point of cariocature nbow and that it was hard to empathise. Brenda's borderline behaviour seemed authentic in series one, given her history of abuse, but by now it's so bloody tedious. I was wishing Nate would push her over the cliff at the end there.
 
 
Shrug
22:15 / 16.08.05
I'm not sure if I like The Billy/Claire imminent breakdown foreshadowing in this episode. Surely they've relied on Billy going crazy as a plotline far too many times already.
If it was foreshadowing at all that is and not the succinct portrayal of the attitudes and worries of those affected by Billy's certain brand of psychosis in the given situation. As it's the last season I'm assuming they'll try to bring some sort of resolution to the shows various conflicts and it'd sadden me if they went that route again. Since it's Six Feet Under I'm expecting the worst though.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:31 / 16.08.05
I enjoyed the episode but it didn't feel like a season opener. That's probably why I enjoyed it. The continuation from the last episode I saw felt almost seamless.

I felt quite sorry for Brenda although the Lisa scene irritated me, it was a bit too long and indulgent and it felt like filler. In contrast Ruth slapping Claire was surprising but I'm not sure why, possibly because it was so real, a real surprising slap brought on by a lot of different reasons. Very neat.

I rolled my eyes at Nate when he told David he didn't want the baby and was pleased to see the relationship between Rico and his ex-wife. All in all it was a hit not a miss.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:37 / 16.08.05
I'm not sure if I like The Billy/Claire imminent breakdown foreshadowing in this episode. Surely they've relied on Billy going crazy as a plotline far too many times already.

But that was more Claire than Billy and it seemed quite unsubtle and of course that's the thing about Billy's illness, it does keep coming back and people do stop taking their medication regularly. Sometimes I feel like too many dreadful things happen in this show but then I think, well, why wouldn't they?

I felt that all the characters seemedd to be being stretched to the point of cariocature nbow and that it was hard to empathise

It did involve a wedding- isn't that what happens at weddings? I think Brenda calmed down a little in the last couple of seasons and that what you saw was a fair reaction to a series of nasty events for her.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:51 / 16.08.05
Yeah, the wedding was an emotionally tense time for all the characters.

I think the collapse of Claire and Billy's relationship, if it happens, will be Claire's fault
 
 
The Strobe
06:22 / 17.08.05
Woah fuck. It's begun already?

I heard a horrible rumour that it was only going to be on E4. This makes me VERY SAD. Can anyone confirm?

Can't believe I missed episode 1.
 
 
modern maenad
08:01 / 17.08.05
I just thought this was SFU back on form, after a few rather dodgy moments last season (George going mad practically overnight, the whole Lisa-being-murdered-by-her-brother-in-law-who-blows-his-brains-out). Highpoints for me were David and Keith's bickering at the pre-wedding dinner, David being visited by the surrogates, and sorry Nina but I loved the Brenda/Lisa scene - and Xoc, for me it didn't speak of borderline personality, just good old fashioned inner neurosis - one of the things I feel Six Feet does so well, internal dialogue/paranoia etc. - especially as big events like weddings tend to bring out the demons more than you're everyday trip to the supermarket (though I remember a scene of Brenda shopping for soft furnishings once bringing on some excellent self-hatred.....). My one big reservation has been the way Ruth's character has lost her independent spirit over the seasons, when we first met her she was feisty and a great representation of an older woman, whereas now she's, well, she just doesn't seem to sparkle as much. Also disappointed that Lauren Ambrose (Clare) has lost so much weight, as it was so refreshing to have a young woman on screen with a more normal shape (ditto Jamie Lynn DiScala, Meadow in Sopranos). Finally, just love loving the Ricko (Ricky!!)/Vanessa storyline, which for me was the highlight of last season. And come on, best line of TV this week has to be Brenda's comment about getting married with her dead baby dripping out of her......
 
 
Essential Dazzler
09:03 / 17.08.05
One things I've not liked this series and last, is the scaling back of the opening death scene. Time was the grieivng family would turn up three or four times, and help set the tone of an episode, now they tend to have a single scene, it's like they've gotten bored and are just keeping it around for the gimmick
 
 
Peach Pie
12:08 / 17.08.05
I too heard that channel 4 won't be showing it. downer.
 
 
OJ
12:41 / 17.08.05
I'm glad SFU is back, but was quite puzzled by the pace of it myself. I came to the conclusion that there were so many flashbacks, it felt like a patchwork of recaps for the first 20 minutes. It also gave me the impression that there was no dialogue between characters - which is usually something they do well.

Perhaps someone was trying to make a point about the characters all being trapped in their own little worlds, but that many dream sequences was all a bit Ally McBeal.

My heart sank when I saw Claire (Lauren Ambrose) too. Another lollipop lady in 6inches of Max Factor - she looked liked she'd aged a decade when everyone else had only aged 6 months.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:48 / 17.08.05
Clare's just started getting famous and doing certain drugs more often - maybe it's all in character? Anyway, personally my heart sinks when people notice that first rather than the richness of the character interaction, but whatever.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:52 / 17.08.05
You know, I think there were a lot of references to the past, specifically the past four seasons, because this is the last one. It's like the writers are saying: don't worry, we haven't forgotten anything, and it's all important.
 
 
OJ
13:01 / 17.08.05
Anyway, personally my heart sinks when people notice that first rather than the richness of the character interaction, but whatever.

Appearance is part of the characterization and I don't think noticing sudden injections of collagen/silicone/fake tan and/or massive weightloss is a sign of shallowness on the viewer's part.

Anyway, I was just bemoaning the lack of interaction in that episode so I don't see the contradiction.
 
 
Mike Modular
10:18 / 18.08.05
I wouldn't worry about Lauren's weight, I predict she'll be a healthy size by the end of the series (as she was still filming when she was over at the National last year, and she looked pretty good to me)
 
 
OJ
10:35 / 18.08.05
Great. Wouldn't want to have to start a "feed Lauren" campaign.

I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that the pace picks up and that there are far fewer flashbacks and conversations with the dead. Though I may be alone in feeling increasing irritation with Lisa popping up with homilies/bitching from beyond the grave. It's a little bit fey...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:05 / 23.08.05
Though I may be alone in feeling increasing irritation with Lisa popping up with homilies/bitching from beyond the grave.

You're not alone. Brenda's Lisa doesn't work for me, I think it's a bit out of character that Lisa is so consistently haunting her... I don't actually recognise that extended interaction with her as Brenda's neurosis and I wish they'd chosen a different path with the wedding. It was like they were placing the referential above the character and it irritated me.

The other characters were spot on though.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:05 / 23.08.05
Billy nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
 
 
Shrug
21:34 / 23.08.05
I knew this would happen. *shakes head woefully*

In the previous episode during the first dance Claire captures Nate's image as he contemplates a seagull picking at the wedding cake. As with the dog last season(?), are we meant to think Nate sees some intrinsic Lisa-ness in it?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:01 / 23.08.05
I don't know but "I hate to think the fact that I've slept with half of Southern California's psychiatric institute might go to waste."
 
 
Shrug
22:53 / 23.08.05
Yep completely agree; the ultra depressing stuff in this episode was tempered with some truly hilarious scenes and dialogue.
The dynamic of Brenda and Mrs Chenowith's conversation made me grin, David's dream was frankly bizarre and oh Rico you wag!
 
 
modern maenad
16:56 / 24.08.05
Nina - ditto on the Billy nooooooo. I'm really hoping that we're not going to have more overdramatised mad=bad bipolar billy action. Yes, some people with bipolar disorder do regularly go off their medication 'cos they miss the creative highs etc. but they don't all turn into psychotic knife-wielding maniacs. So please, Six Feet, keep it under control.

re: Rico, I just love this guy's storyline - I really felt that last season's portrayal of his 'affair' and the breakdown of his marriage was so well done, especially in the way it demonstrated how he just sort of drifted into it, got caught up, couldn't extricate himself etc. And now the dead girlfriend, split second of crazy thinking turns into intricate web of deceipt and manipulation followed by more angry vanessa (I'm guessing).

roll on next week.....
 
 
OJ
09:03 / 25.08.05
In the previous episode during the first dance Claire captures Nate's image as he contemplates a seagull picking at the wedding cake. As with the dog last season(?), are we meant to think Nate sees some intrinsic Lisa-ness in it?

I thought that the seagull was a good image, but just as an intimation of mortality. Vultures circling even before the wedding dance is over etc.

As an intimation of mortality, it was more poignant than the stacked up/sewn up/stuffed up dead bodies that are so present in the programme you overlook them. I also smiled wryly at the fact that Claire misses what he's looking at when she takes the photo.

I agree that Rico's big faux pas with the "missing" date was one of the best features of this week's episode. It was psychologically real, cringeworthy, believable - whereas I think a lot of the other characters are being crushed under the weight of the Ally McBeal dream sequences.
 
 
Peach Pie
12:00 / 30.08.05
the dvd may not be out until as late as 2006
 
 
modern maenad
08:42 / 31.08.05
So what's the barbie verdict on Clare? She seems to be emoting just a little too much at the moment - what are we to think? Over-identification/empathisation with Billy, is she getting carried away on his manic wave? I'm perplexed.
 
 
modern maenad
13:11 / 13.09.05
bumpety bump

'tis on tonight, E4, 10pm - anyone else out there still watching?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:03 / 13.09.05
Yes. I've found the George sections of the last couple of episodes incredibly sad. Actually, the most recent episode was probably the first so far this season to really feel like it was firing on all cylinders. I always enjoy the little interactions between characters who aren't main players in each other's stories, if that makes sense - eg, the scene with Billy and George on the steps. Interesting choice to have Billy and Brenda have a conversation outside that we see part of but don't hear any of - I hope this wasn't just a way to get round the "surely Brenda would notice he was off his meds" plot issue.

However, this might be the most depressing season so far since season 2, and I wonder if that's because fundamentally, Nate and Brenda just don't work as this kind of couple. I don't really know where Nate goes from here, but I would suggest that making a pass at George's daughter is a VERY BAD IDEA.

Claire's naivety with regard to Billy has shocked and appalled me somewhat. Sort it out, Claire.

Maybe there have been a few too many dream/imaginary sequences this season so far, but it's worth it for the moments that you think will turn out to be imagined but are real, such as Ruth shouting "This is not about you!" at Claire during her speech for Nate's birthday.
 
 
modern maenad
14:58 / 13.09.05
Knew I couldn't be the only one left watching one of the best things on TV at mo.....absolutely agree re: George - I really felt they handled the whole 'George goes mad' stuff at end of last season terribly, classic misrepresentation of 'madness' in TV/film. But as this season's progressed I'm really warming to the George/Ruth storyline and feeling very moved by their respective positions of care and dependency. Also feel you're spot on the mark with Nate and Brenda, how long can they milk the 'Brenda has normalcy issues' line? And my partner pointed out last week that the writers are showing pretty poor continuity with Nate, who just a couple of episodes ago was 'lecturing' his old school pal on the beauty of the here and now, being a father/married etc., then suddenly he's freaking out and yes, looks like he's about to make a pass at Maggie.......but for no apparent reason. Its not like they've shown him and Brenda having a shit time. Hmmme. Am I missing something here? Also bit confused about Clare - feels like her characters acting out way too much considering the person she's been in previous episodes, but again, this may be misremembering on my part. Writing is feeling a bit hurried and heavy handed in places, and we seem to be rushing through storylines, with less of the gentle meandering of past seaons. And finally Keith and David, who just keep on bickering on.....
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:32 / 13.09.05
the writers are showing pretty poor continuity with Nate, who just a couple of episodes ago was 'lecturing' his old school pal on the beauty of the here and now, being a father/married etc., then suddenly he's freaking out and yes, looks like he's about to make a pass at Maggie....... but for no apparent reason.

That's not poor continuity. That's Nate protesting too much, and trying to convince himself. Well, and also, I think he does believe in living for the here and now, it's just that if he honestly applied that to his life, he might not stay playing happy families with Brenda very lonh. Which is what he's doing.

Its not like they've shown him and Brenda having a shit time. Hmmme. Am I missing something here?

Maybe missing the fact that Nate proposed to Brenda and suggested they have a kid together immediately after finding out some of what really happened to Lisa? In other words, not necessarily the most well-considered decision ever made.

The elephant in the room, as it were, is this question: why didn't it work out for Nate and Brenda first time round? Was it because he had a bomb in his head, and she had a sex addiction? Or is life sadly less easily explained than that, and do people who seem made for each other somehow sometimes turn out to not work very well together, at least not when they're following a certain model of what a couple should be.
 
 
DaveBCooper
12:47 / 15.09.05
I was pleased to see the actual business of running a funeral take some screentime this week, as it’s been kind of sidelined, and I think it’s always a useful plot trigger. And of course David’s as good as out of that side of things whilst Nate’s rather good at it, which shows a certain progress of the characters.

It feels a little like it’s treading water a bit at the moment – George is well, then he’s not, David and Keith are going to adopt, then surrogate, then adopt, and the like, and it’d be nice to see a sense of progress. Especially as an end is coming.

That said, the programme’s always watchable, and generally the leads are very good in it – I liked the dialogue about Maya’s upbringing being influenced ‘by a book Brenda hasn’t even finished yet’, and the way George’s apparently inappropriate behaviour provided a viewer recap and also made Nate have to talk about the Lisa situation.

The notion of Nate and Maggie seems a bit obvious to me, and strikes me as in considerable contrast to the abortive encounter between David and the hairdresser the other week; it’s often the case that in drama characters like Maggie are introduced with a sense of near-inevitability that they’ll be somehow involved as a love interest for the core characters (which is, of course, done to death with soap operas, with everyone being with everyone over the years), but David’s fumblings were presented more as a spontaneous, and arguably more promiscuous, kind of behaviour. I don’t know if there’s any kind of generalisation about presentation of gay and straight sexuality to necessarily be extrapolated from this, as I may just be thinking ‘oh, don’t go with the Maggie/Nate/Brenda triangle story, that’d be the kind of incestuous and fairly predictable plotline I’d hope not to see in this programme…’and looking to be unimpressed as a result.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:01 / 15.09.05
The end of this week's episode gave me hope that Nate can get a grip enough to NOT make himself think he is in love with Maggie. I think that whole what-should-we-tell-Maya plotline was really about the repercussions which Lisa's death, and Hoyt's, are still having on Nate. The more he actually, y'know, TALKS to Brenda about things like this, the more chance they have of not imploding horribly.

After being oddly sympathetic and likeable and sensitive in the first episode, it was almost reassuring to see Brenda and Billy's mum revert to being AWFUL.
 
 
modern maenad
09:50 / 20.09.05
After being oddly sympathetic and likeable and sensitive in the first episode, it was almost reassuring to see Brenda and Billy's mum revert to being AWFUL

absolutely!!

and flyboy, re: Nate and Brenda, I suppose we're just getting different stuff from 6FU, as for me in many ways Lisa always seemed to be constructed as an interuption in Nate and Brenda's relationship, and though her death had 'obvious' (to me) affects on Nate, his marrying Brenda seemed almost inevitable.....and regarding why it didn't work out first time round, I suppose I always read that as their various neuroses getting in way and fucking up an essentially good match - and I feel that we're supposed to believe that they have sort of 'grown-up' now, and left their insecurities behind. Though have to say I'm finding Brenda's supposedly seamless transition from assertive, sassy, feminist, challenging, uber-fuck to 'domestic goddess, loving wife and mother' pretty hard to take - its not that she's doing all these things, which are fine, its more that we never seem to get any reflection from her on her changing role - the Brenda in my head would be either (a) pointing out to Nate that he should be cooking tea 'once in every fucking while' or (b) taking the piss out of herself for turning into such a lush 50's homemaker.

and DaveBCooper - I absolutely agree about the overall watchability of this show, despite my many criticisms I still think its the best thing on TV at mo, leaving the heavy handed, platitudinous shows like Lost, Desperate Housewives, CSI, Without a Trace etc. miles behind.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:10 / 20.09.05
we never seem to get any reflection from her on her changing role

Apart from the bit where she imagined Nate saying to her "What the fuck are you playing at? This isn't you! You're a rebel!" at dinner.

This stuff is very much on Brenda's mind, I think.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:14 / 20.09.05
One of the most realistic, uncomfortable things about 6FU is the way it shows how sometimes, neither of what seem like the only two choices life is giving you work out, or at least, neither of them are easy. Some of the things about who Brenda was when we first met her didn't work out for her, but she doesn't know who she is without them, either. That feels very true to life to me.
 
 
modern maenad
11:01 / 20.09.05
One of the most realistic, uncomfortable things about 6FU is the way it shows how sometimes, neither of what seem like the only two choices life is giving you work out, or at least, neither of them are easy.

I hadn't thought of this and really like your point - in many ways it sums up the strength of 6FU: its eye for the details of life, the compromises, unfulfiled dreams, inner conflicts and general minor unsatisfaction and disorder of daily life.
 
  

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