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Is Big Beat Dead?

 
  

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JohnnyThunders
14:36 / 12.08.05
was beat boutique full of variety that we missed, perhaps?

Actually Big Beat Boutique had a fairly varied music policy... I used to hear Richie Havens, Lyn Collins, a lot of detroit techno, ultramagnetic mc's, and other shit there.

The Photek Big Beat connection is even more tenuous than the Jaxx link. Enthralled by the ashes at the mo, but will reply in more detail in a bit.
 
 
_Boboss
14:57 / 12.08.05
aw, well, that's me caught out. am i being too fuzzy in not caring much about lines drawn between photek, bentley rhythm ace (boboss' favourite band ever) and ultramagnetic emcees? it's just the same samples at differnt speeds, surely? damn thread.

loving the big beat = musical equivalent of cricket comparison above though.
 
 
_Boboss
15:05 / 12.08.05
plus, have you heard the one with the monkeys in the video? it's a bouncing beery BIGBEAT track, see, it even has capital letters.

tenuous connection me arse. you just like a BIGBEAT band, though you know you shouldn't so you have to be all 'no they ain't', when they clearly is.
 
 
JohnnyThunders
15:31 / 12.08.05
So are Underworld big beat? "Lager, Lager"

A (sorta)mate of mine once pulled up next to a bmw at some traffic lights in Ipswich. The BM has a killer sound system, so my (sorta)mate turns his volume up fullblast. Turns out they were both playing photek, except the guy in the BM was actually photek. Rupert i think he's called. Red hair. This story might be a lie, but i believed it when i heard it.

And no they aint!

And Cricket is way more exhilarating than Big Beat.

163-5!
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
16:38 / 12.08.05
Someone: Chemical Brothers, for example, are very easy to knock

I was listening to my Chemicals MP3s earlier this year and I realised that Surrender aside they've managed to put out an amazingly strong and consistent album every few years. I don't find them very knockable.

Someone else: Also, I hate Where's Your Head as much as the next sane human being

More like insane human being. It's a great track! It's also based around a Tubeway Army/Numan sample, which reflects the general electro vibe Rooty had going on.
 
 
agent darkbootie
19:49 / 12.08.05
Oh, and, Darkbooty, I suggest you read Seth's posts, they're generally pretty interesting.

I retract the hissy fit bit. But the above sentence still stands as good advice, methinks.


All points well taken.

I confess it's a hot-button for me. I don't mind people disagreeing -- I expect it -- but it's dismissive posts that poke at me.

If the subtext of a post is "this subject isn't worth caring about (for whatever reason, stripped of historical context or otherwise)" then why bother posting in the first place? Let the people who do care go about their caring. If yer gonna disagree, go ahead, but at least respect the intent of the thread.

Regardless... In the UK I'm sure the context of dance music was (and is) different than here. But in L.A. that "Big Beat" stuff rolled in just before this weird moment in music culture when the "Alternative Radio" monster was looking for another genre to swallow, and "Electronic" music was ready for picking.

(I remember the day I went into some big monster record store and all the different dance genre sections had been combined under the sign "Electronica." I also remember the "All-Electronica!" radio station that died after nine months.)

Maybe being "radio friendly" was the curse, but I don't know. Thinking on it, I wonder how long as any dance genre lasted without mutating into something else? Or maybe when the masses stormed the dance genre, the true-believers ran the other way. (Like how a lot of post-punks fled to lounge music when "grunge" became mainstream.)

It was cheesy, sure. I just miss the rhythms. Pure, heavy, ridiculous e-headed joy.

Interesting point, though, about the vibe changing when alcohol became the drug of choice. Probably deserves its own thread. (But not by me...)
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
08:07 / 13.08.05
Also, I hate Where's Your Head as much as the next sane human being, but without listening to BJ's albums I'm prepared to give 'em the benefit of the doubt.

trust me Boboss you'd fucking think it wer reet shite!!

Seriously there's no debate Gumbitch is utterly correct on the Fatboy & BJ score.

One thing to say about Big Beat:

Bentley Rythmn Ace nearly ruined dance music forever.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
23:01 / 13.08.05
I was listening to my Chemicals MP3s earlier this year and I realised that Surrender aside they've managed to put out an amazingly strong and consistent album every few years. I don't find them very knockable

They are the Cat Deeley of electronic music.
 
 
Seth
17:47 / 14.08.05
If the subtext of a post is "this subject isn't worth caring about (for whatever reason, stripped of historical context or otherwise)" then why bother posting in the first place? Let the people who do care go about their caring. If yer gonna disagree, go ahead, but at least respect the intent of the thread.

Read the thread back. I was responding to I don't know why Big Beat got such a bad name, gave a reason and was therefore not being dismissive of the thread in the slightest. The fact that my opinion is counter to yours as to liking the music is neither here nor there. Engaging with the subject of the thread is the opposite of being dismissive.

As far as your perception of the intent of the thread: from the topic and the abstract there's nothing concerning this being a solely a celebration for people who want to get nostaligic. The question here: Is Big Beat Dead? That I think it is (and that I think it deserved to die) is still a valid answer to the question, and I've given reasons for that.
 
 
doctorbeck
13:35 / 15.08.05
was cruising the radio last night and X-FMs The Remix show seems to be where big beat ended up, sort of indie-rock plus big beat now, much of which ends up sounding like a happy mondays remix by coldcut

basically student dance music and in a long line of making underground dance sounds palatable for freshers discos

saying that the whole Heavenly Social and Stealth thing broke the monotony of seamlessley mixed 4/4 sounds in dance music and added some fun and eclecticism for a while so for that I am grateful
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:02 / 15.08.05
Seth, I know a lot of people here probably understand your post but it basically consisted of two sentences and you didn't explain why you feel so dismissive of this type of music at all. This is what you said...

it was just hip hop given a new packaging that suspiciously stripped the music of its historic/interesting/troubling/engaging elements

Now I could probably give you 5000 words on cufflinks after reading a particularly controversial two sentence post on them but I'm not great on hip hop so if you could point me to some background information (like a thread that I haven't read or an essay) or, you know, explain how Big Beat is hip hop with new packaging that would be great.
 
  

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