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A new Rock'n'roll God

 
  

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lord nuneaton savage
10:54 / 04.08.05
Howdy Magick types.
This is my first ever post here and it's probably a bit presumptious of me to just blunder in and start a topic but here we go.

In a pub chat recently a friend and I were talking about rock'n'roll (not, you understand, Gene Vincent and Sun records, but rather the FEELING of rock'n'roll. That indescribable burn-the-house-down feeling you get when you hear the MC5 or The Stooges or when you've just done shag-loads of speed and the night is YOURS) and we were commenting on the fact that whenever rock'n'roll is attached to any form of spirituality just one name seems to come up; Dionysus.

Now, I don't have any problems with Dionysus (apart from the fact that I blame his r'n'r identification with Jim Morrison, who should have drowned in the bath far earlier as far as I'm concerned. Like at birth), I'm sure he's a top fella and a whiz at parties, but it struck me as odd that with all the writing done about r'n'r, by many intelligent and learned people, there was only really one cat from the spiritual realm who got a look in.

So I'm looking for suggestions. Are there any other Gods/deities/demons/angels/archons who you would identify with with that primal rock'n'roll feeling?

If you could provide brief explanations and/or links etc. It would be much appreciated. As I'm sure you've worked out I am far from an expert on Magick.
Cheers.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:07 / 04.08.05
The big three.

Vocals by Odin. Loki on lead guitar. Thor on drums (or maybe bass).
 
 
Brunner
11:13 / 04.08.05
I'm probably missing the point entirely here, but for some reason this all reminds me of that cheezy old King Missile song Jesus Was Way Cool....

Jesus was way cool
Everybody liked Jesus
Everybody wanted to hang out with him
Anything he wanted to do, he did
He turned water into wine
And if he wanted to
He could have turned wheat into marijuana
Or sugar into cocaine
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines

He walked on the water
And swam on the land
He would tell these stories
And people would listen
He was really cool

If you were blind or lame
You just went to Jesus
And he would put his hands on you
And you would be healed
That's so cool

He could've played guitar better than Hendrix
He could've told the future
He could've baked the most delicious cake in the world
He could've scored more goals than Wayne Gretzky
He could've danced better than Barishnikov
Jesus could have been funnier than any comedian you can think of
Jesus was way cool

He told people to eat his body and drink his blood
That's so cool
Jesus was so cool
But then some people got jealous of how cool he was
So they killed him
But then he rose from the dead
He rose from the dead, danced around
Then went up to heaven
I mean, that's so cool
Jesus was way cool
No wonder there are so many Christians
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:15 / 04.08.05
Copey? Is that you?

There are the Norse Gods, naturally (immigrant song etc.), but are there any reasons WHY these cats rock so hard? Apart from their obvious use in Heavy Metal imagery since the year dot. If the year dot is 1970.

Gimme the legends!
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:18 / 04.08.05
What about Qetzalcoatl? Huge serpent of a diety, also feathered (which could be interpreted as suggesting high speeds).

Krishna? Seems to embody a lot of youthful energy, sexual prowess, also replicated himself several hundred times, you could possibly equate that to the rock 'n' roll fashion.

Orpheus? In a Nick Drake/Ian Curtis way?
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:24 / 04.08.05
The big snake sounds promising.

Not sure about Orpheus. I don't really consider Nick Drake and Ian Curtis to be particularly rock'n'roll, really. I'm thinking Hawkwind, Lemmy in particular. That driven quality. No time for moping.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:41 / 04.08.05
What about some voodoo deities? From what I've heard some of them dudes are BADASSES...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:41 / 04.08.05
Sorry, that was unhelpful--should have gone into more detail.

Odin is a God associated with many things; we all know he's a bit tasty in a rumble but I'm thinking specifically of the inspiration and fury angles.

He is said to have won the runes ('runes' being widely interpreted in its most general sense of magical chants as well as symbols) by hanging himself on the World Tree. He's also said to have stolen the mead of inspiration from the Jotun, and was/is prayed to for inspiration by poets. Several of his monnikers refer to song, poetry, or just plain screaming blue murder.

I probably don't need to tell you that Thor is a thunder God. In legend he is shown to be wild and furious (when need be; when at home he assumes a wise and patient character). He creates thunder by charging through the sky in his goat-drawn wagon, lobbing a bloody great hammer around. (There's a strong male-fertility angle here, as Thor creates the storms that bring the rain that lets the crops grow. Very Rock, I feel.) Thunder, hence bass and/or drums.


Loki is a bloody show-off.


(PS:-- I don't much care for Led Zep and I only like the Immigrant Song if it is with kittings.)
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:46 / 04.08.05
Um, those aren't kittens. That is actually Led Zeppelin. Poeple were hairier in the 70s. You can see why the chicks went for 'em, eh?

Re: Norse Gods. Fantastic! That's cleared a few things up. Easy to see why the lords of Metal have gone for them over the years, but also, a slightly more sensitive angle as well. What's this I've heard about Odin being a fond of cross dressing? Less we forget there's a strong tradition of sexual ambiguity in rock'n'roll.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:12 / 04.08.05
Hee hee... Wouldn't call it a habit but yes, the Old Man is said to have disgusied himself as a witch. In the Lokasenna he's accused of practicing seidh (a form of magic deemed dodgy and unmanly). The accusation is valid, Odin having learned seidh from the goddess Freyja. (see Lokasenna, verse 24)

Loki went a bit further, having not only borrowed Freyja's clothes but also having been knocked up. He gave birth to the eight-legged horse, Slepnir, that Odin rides between worlds; it's suggested that he has given birth to other creatures but much of the lore is lost to us now. (see Lokasenna, verse 23)

Even Thor is not immune to the lure of a nice frock. He donned a wedding dress to win back his stolen hammer from the hostile Jotun Thrymr, who'd nicked it and was demanding Freyja's hand in marriage before he'd give it back. Loki disgused his friend as Freyja in a wedding-gown and himself as a bridesmaid in order to retrieve Mjollnir.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
12:27 / 04.08.05
The visual image of a bearded Thor scowling through the veil of a wedding dress is one I shall cherish.

Very interesting stuff. Particularly in relation to Glam rock. which I've always seen as an explosion of pub rock brickies in drag rather than an invasion of svelte/effete art school students.

Keep 'em coming people, this shit is fascinating!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:52 / 04.08.05
Julian Cope's always said he takes his rock'n'roll inspiration from Odin.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
13:21 / 04.08.05
And I'm certainly beginning to see why, Stoatie.

How could you resist the rock'n'roll lure of a bunch of dudes who, between them, have fucked more shit up than Keith Richards, the MC5 and Gene Vincent put together.

Not even Lemmy has ever given birth to an eight legged horse. Probably shagged one though.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
16:12 / 04.08.05
deities of rock'n'roll?

Elvis.

no, really.

the swagger, the drawl, the fried peanut butter & banana sandwiches (the Earl and his kitchen staff roll over in their graves), young Elvis, Old Elvis, midwest to las vegas. There are tales a plenty. How many Thor Odin Loki impersonators have been spawned? (well, quite a number if we look into the annals of heavy metal).

Elvis is the rock and roll deity. It was a form developed in the USA, and the people there have chosen their deity. He embodies much of its dynamic - a white celebrity making music inspired/stolen/plagiarised from the black blues/jazz musicians who had helped develop the artform...

Now wave to the King, and tell him, "t'ank ya verry much."

tenix
 
 
buttergun
17:48 / 04.08.05
I think Dionysus is always mentioned not just due to the Morrison connection, but because of all the gods, he closest resembles a rock star. He has women throwing themselves at him, men who admire him (though to an extreme extent), and is always reborn -- just like a true rock legend will never die (witness Hendrix on the cover of the latest US edition of Rolling Stone).

But on to another point -- how can you claim to dislike Morrison, especially if you like the MC5 and the Stooges? Iggy has often stated that Morrison was his prime inspiration, back in the early days. Ever heard the studio version of the Doors song "Five to One?" Shit, Iggy took about 90% of his vocal delivery from that one song. There are also live recordings of the Doors afoot that sound like the MC5/Stooges. Of course, there's the fact that Morrison was most likely an ass, but that's beside the point. The majority of the Greek gods were asses. In fact, I'd say probably all of them were. Also, as a sidebar -- something I've long wanted to hear: it's an old rumor that Iggy, the remaining Doors, and the bassist for Blondie cut an album of "incredibly heavy psychedelic rock," as the Blondie-bassist described it. Who knows when, or where the tapes are, but damn I'd love to hear that.
 
 
grime
21:20 / 04.08.05
"The big snake sounds promising."

my new favorite line.

uhm . . . what about the obvious: SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he's the orinal rebel.

how about shiva? he's always getting laid, and he blows up the universe with magic powers.

and kali has to be the ultimate rock chick. horrible and disturbing, but somehow you just can't say no.
 
 
Liger Null
23:11 / 04.08.05
I'm so glad somebody mentioned Kali. Shakti Power!

And what about Sarasvati? She's probably more of a Joni Mitchell Girl-with-a-Sitar Diva, but she is the patron goddess of artists and musicians after all. And then there are the Muses...
 
 
LVX23
05:34 / 05.08.05
"Will Elvis take the place of Jesus in a thousand years?" - Jello Biafra
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
07:59 / 05.08.05
"Will Elvis take the place of Jesus in a thousand years?" - Jello Biafra

Do you mean literally? As in, someone finds a way to reanimate the bloated corpse of Elvis, puts him on a gruelling diet and workout regime so he loses all of those extra pounds, then sends him back through time to Nazareth where he can begin his Ministry?
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
11:01 / 05.08.05
What about Dionysus in the form of Elvis? Think about it. They both made young women go insane, they both loved booze, and...err...ok. That comparison just fell right out from under me.

But remember, Jesus may have been big, but the Beatles were bigger. Or at least so it was said once.

Thor...in a dress...playing the drums. With Loki on fire. "Everybody, put your shields and swords together for Odin and the Flaming Aesir!"
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
11:03 / 05.08.05
Do you mean literally? As in, someone finds a way to reanimate the bloated corpse of Elvis, puts him on a gruelling diet and workout regime so he loses all of those extra pounds, then sends him back through time to Nazareth where he can begin his Ministry?

See...I'm strangley in favor of this idea. I think that's primo-material for a new necro-gospel classic rock musical: "Elvis bar Jehovah".

...damn, GL. Now I'm going to have that stuck in my head all day.
 
 
Lord Morgue
13:20 / 06.08.05
Well, I've harped on the coolness of 70's Marvel Comics magick before, but how about Fashima, glam rock demoness from the old Defenders comics? Lizard Queen! Lizard Queen!
 
 
Anthony
15:02 / 06.08.05
rock'n'roll is as desparate for re-invention as anything else... and (shameless self-promotion) i'm glad to be taking part in that.

new times need new gods and if there aren't any decent historical gods with anything else to say then we'll have to make some new ones up.

but yeah, dionysus is always a good one, babalon.. and Eris sounds kinda cool too; i think shiva/kali probably inspires me a lot.......
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
16:47 / 06.08.05
so, if we are to acknowledge a new rock and roll god-dess,

what the hell will they look like?

Eddie from Iron Maiden?
Elvis' disembodied Duck's Ass coif?
madeup man and beleathered woman?
Ringo Starr?

wha'd'ya'll think?
tenix
 
 
Unconditional Love
22:22 / 06.08.05
Marilyn manson, surely?
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
22:24 / 06.08.05
I admit that there is a certain visual appeal to Marilyn Manson in his leathers crucified. Now...if only they'd forget to take him down...
 
 
Lord Morgue
06:17 / 07.08.05
Look, I've seen Manson's willie up close, and frankly, all I can say is, it doesn't match the rest of him.
I want a better hung Rock God, and I'm looking at Ziggy Stardust.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
11:25 / 07.08.05
I think the guitar is the nessecary phallic symbol when judging a rock'n'roll god.

Additionally...why just sit with one figure? Why not combine aspects of different rock'n'roll stars? There's a relevant Family Guy quote, but I can't think of what it is right now.

Actually, what this sounds like is a job for PhotoShop.

What would a temple or altar to the God of Rock'n'Roll look like? Would there be miniature instruments in silver and gold? Rock hymns and chalices of beer?

Now, what about a rock pantheon? Are there rock archetypes?
The Rising Star, The Hometown Boy/Girl?
 
 
Anthony
13:09 / 07.08.05
ah to paraphrase nietzche badly, the known is something that we're finished with.........
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:05 / 07.08.05
nah i am thinking more billy idol now

or billy whiz.

what about adam from the ants, ant people.

pete murphy?

who was the lead singer from the march violets?

i reckon we should settle for take that.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:41 / 07.08.05
I once read an interesting book called, I think, Elvis People (I believe it was by a former BBC religious affairs correspondent) which posited that the "cult of Elvis" had the potential to become a literal cult, and drew parallels between Elvis obsessives and the early Christians, suggesting that given enough time, there was no reason why Elvis-worship could not become as large and as valid as any of the current major religions. I thought he stretched the point maybe a little far, but it certainly provided some food for thought.
 
 
Unconditional Love
00:53 / 08.08.05
elvisey - Jack Womack, cyberpunky novelist writes on that theme.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:30 / 08.08.05
Yeah, that was good too! (In fact, I seem to remember both books were given to me as birthday presents on consecutive years by an Elvis-obsessed friend...)
 
 
Sekhmet
17:22 / 08.08.05
There is a Church of Elvis in Vegas.

And I will refer you all to Mojo Nixon's anthem, Elvis Is Everywhere.

Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king
 
 
eye landed
02:40 / 09.08.05
coming friday: seth and horus: battle of the bands! for an eyegougingly, ballcrushingly good time!

abraxas is the god of rock and roll. good and evil, power and beauty. vibrate the air until something explodes. abraxas/is was also in tolkien, who was in zep.

and what about syd barrett? he, like, disincarnated and then had a tribute album made to him by his band, after which they sucked.

related to dionysos is pan, who probably partied way harder.

the beatles took advantage of a divine elemental quadralectic, as do many 'bands'.
 
  

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