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Terrorism and Religion / Violence and Ideology

 
  

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Triumvir
00:01 / 09.08.06
Having read the thread, I find that I agree most with the views of This Haus is a Headcrab Hotel and of Legba Rex:

No particular religion promotes violence more than all the others -- there are examples of violent fanaticism in the histories of almost all major established religions. (Althogh as a sidenote, we may take a moment to consider the fact that perhaps there are no [with the exception of buhdism] major reilgions that haven't at some point promoted violent fanaticsm for the simple reason that fanatacism is an excelent way to win wars, ie. [almost] all of the 'peace loving' religions could have bee wiped out by their more bellicose neighbors. But back to the main point.) Additionally, not only is fanatical violence not unique to Islam, but also, nor is the "suicide bomber" culture. As Haus noted, suicide bombing is by far the most prevalant in, that are occupied by a militarally more powerful (usually western) power. Examples: Algiers, Vietnam, among others. Note, these were both largely secular independence movements, not religious uprisings. Thus, my view regarding the growing violent/suicide bomber culture in islamic society is:

Suicide bombing is largely the tool of underfunded independence movements fighting vastly stronger oppressors. Thus, the current rise in the suicide bomber culture among Islamic groups can be see through the lens of a vastly outgunned resistance movenent fighting for independence from western cultural/economic imperialism, rather than as the result of any underlying qualities/tennets of Islam.
 
 
grant
13:40 / 28.09.06
Here's a fun exercise in cultural difference: a story headed "Christian Terrorist Attempts Car Bombing in Iowa".

This is the story: Fervent right-to-life supporter David McMenemy decides he's going to do something about all the innocent babies being killed. So he gets into his silver 2004 Saturn, douses the interior with gasoline, plows it through the front doors of an Iowa Women's Health Clinic (one that, incidentally, didn't actually perform any abortions), and is kind of surprised when the car doesn't blow up right away, so he, uh, pours more gasoline on the car, which makes it catch fire, but doesn't get back in because it looks like it'll hurt.

He's currently being charged, not with attempted terrorism, but with 2nd degree arson (a class C felony) by Iowa courts, and with the federal crime of "committing arson against a business affecting interstate commerce." 5 to 20 years for the federal charge, less than 10 years for the state one, none of which are likely to involve waterboarding or a stay at Guantanamo.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:14 / 28.09.06
Well, on the plus side he doesn't seem to have hurt anyone, but fucking hell, the hypocrisy of it...let's see what American citizens make of "traditional" Americans being sent to guantanamo. Oh wait- we can't, because it's only those nasty foreign people whose terrorism needs to be punished. Balls, balls, balls...
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
15:45 / 28.09.06
The enemy of McMenemy is my friend.
 
  

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