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Eloi Tsabaoth

08:33 / 13.07.05

Hey kids! Why not help your old Uncle Bizunth out by telling me of all the film sequels you can think of that didn't feature the previous film's main character/star?
Here's some to start off with!
Speed 2.
Son of the Mask
American Psycho 2
The Lost World (although arguably the dinosaurs are the main attraction)

Also, so that I'm not ritually slaughtered for starting a list thread, we can discuss the nature of such sequels. If you'd like.

Char Aina

08:42 / 13.07.05

how 'bout them franchises?
they keep changing batman, and we've had a few jimmy bonds...
does that count?

sleazenation

08:44 / 13.07.05

Predator 2 ?

Dawn of the Dead ?

sleazenation

08:46 / 13.07.05

The franchises usually bring back their main star for at least the first sequal...

XXX 2 whatever that abortion of a film was called...

sleazenation

08:48 / 13.07.05

The Hunt for Red October/Clear and Present Danger? Baldwin becomes Harrison Ford?

paranoidwriter waves hello

08:54 / 13.07.05

'Godfather II.'

Some of those dodgy 'Pink Panther' films made after Master Sellers moved on.

The Strobe

08:54 / 13.07.05

Aliens. Arguably, it was a very, very different Ripley that emereged from hibernation...

sleazenation

08:56 / 13.07.05

But it was the same actress... otherwise you could argue that Terminator 2 counts cos arnold plays a goodie in the sequal...

Axolotl

08:58 / 13.07.05

There's an awful lot of striaght to video shockers that do this: Starship Troopers 2 & From Dusk till Dawn 2 are two that I can think of straight away.

sleazenation

08:58 / 13.07.05

(Also as long as we don't count Linda Hamilton as a 'star').

So, do monster movies where the monster is not identifiable with a specific actor count?

Char Aina

09:04 / 13.07.05

they didnt get mark hamill to play luke in the latest star wars film, or carrie fisher to play leia.

Eloi Tsabaoth

09:05 / 13.07.05

They do if you want them to. This is a people's thread.
Most fascinating are ones like American Psycho 2 which have such a vague, tangential connection to their daddy film that they might as well have taken a documentary of Yemen Grain Farmers and slapped the title on that.

sleazenation

09:06 / 13.07.05

Blair Witch 2... even more jarring in terms of such a different style...

How about Porn versions, which are sequals of a sort...

paranoidwriter waves hello

09:08 / 13.07.05

Did the Green Cross Code man repeat his role as the suited and booted Darth Vadar in Episode III (I haven't seen it yet?) And what about James Earl Jones? Did he do the voice again?

paranoidwriter waves hello

09:08 / 13.07.05

American Werewolf in Paris?

ONLY NICE THINGS

09:20 / 13.07.05

XXX2 was great, because it not only removed Vin Diesel, but very casually had the revelation of his death, off camera spooled off in the opening minutes, then ignored completely. Bonza.

Mortal Kombat retains a place in my heart for the way the action picks up at the exact moment that Mortal Kombat 1 ended, but with a completely different cast. Rock.

The Prophecy doesn't quite do this - although the main character in The Prophecy appears briefly at the beginning of the second, played by a different actor, and is killed - but watching Christopher Walken go from acting alongside Elias Koteas, Eric Stoltz and Viggo Mortenson (unspectacular but solid) to Jennifer Beals, Eric Robert and Glenn Danzig (ummm) to Harold Shipman, Peter Purves and Brad the fuck Dourif over the course of three films is a squidgy, horrifying pleasure.

Cat Chant

09:27 / 13.07.05

Blake's 7, third and fourth series, which don't have Blake in them. (Or seven characters, for that matter.) But they aren't films.

Eloi Tsabaoth

09:30 / 13.07.05

But it was lovely of you to post all the same. We can expand this to TV, if people would like. Taggart!

Loomis

09:35 / 13.07.05

What about films that end with the main character walking off romantically into the sunset with their co-star, thus forcing the sequel(s) to begin with a totally implausible reason why the co-star has fucked off thereby allowing the star to find a new squeeze. No doubt there are plenty of these - off the top of my head: Karate Kid 1-3, Austin Powers.

Axolotl

10:04 / 13.07.05

The Tremors series has a gradually reducing cast. The second has Burt Ward but no Kevin Bacon, the third only has that survivalist guy & none of the other original cast, and I've not seen any of the others, but I guess they continue to get worse.

nedrichards is confused

10:11 / 13.07.05

Cruel Intentions 2.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

10:15 / 13.07.05

Planet of the Apes?

Queen of the Damned (Interview with the Vampire)?

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:30 / 13.07.05

Harold Shipman, Peter Purves and Brad the fuck Dourif

Don't forget Neil Gaiman as Zophael.

Tezcatlipoca

12:38 / 13.07.05

Obviously this refers to character, rather than star, but how about A Few Dollars More & the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly?

Eastwood is credited as playing 'Joe' in the initial film, A Fistful of Dollars, 'Monco' in A Few Dollars More, and, famously, 'the name with no name' (or 'blondy', according to Wallach's character) in the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

Pants Payroll

13:10 / 13.07.05

"The Hunt for Red October/Clear and Present Danger? Baldwin becomes Harrison Ford? "

...and then, I think, Ben Affleck? The title escapes me...

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

15:38 / 13.07.05

Cruel Intentions 2.

Oddly enough, this was the pilot to a TV series based on the movie which was on FOX's schedule, and was never officially removed from it...just never quite made it on the air.

Sequels used to be much worse than this thread would make it out to be, and it wasn't until the 70's and 80's that there was even the HOPE that anyone from the original movie would be involved unless it was one of the low budget "series" like Andy Hardy or the different Universal Horror franchises. Most major studios wouldn't do sequels to their Big Budget Presitge movies, and their B-film department was more like TV is now, cranking out series or star vehicles where the "star" played the same role in every movie.

I still remember being amazed as a teenager that the sequel to Star Wars actually moved the story forward, rather then just telling the same story again (which is what most sequels did...and still do).

Disco is My Class War

15:48 / 13.07.05

Also Cruel Intentions III.

Notable because the scriptwriters seemed to cut and paste large slabs of dialogue from the first movie into the third verbatim, but between different characters. It was mildly unsettling. (Or was that the second movie? Maybe I never got around to watching the third one.)

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

15:53 / 13.07.05

Eastwood is credited as playing 'Joe' in the initial film, A Fistful of Dollars, 'Monco' in A Few Dollars More, and, famously, 'the name with no name' (or 'blondy', according to Wallach's character) in the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

The Credits of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly list him as "Joe", but he is never referred to by any character by that name.

I heart that movie.

Lord Morgue

16:02 / 13.07.05

The Kickboxer series will always have a special place in my heart, for #2 killing off Jean-Claude Van Damme and Dennis Alexio in a flashback and introducing a hitherto-unmentioned THIRD Sloane brother, played by Step By Step's Sasha Mitchell, then killing HIM off three films later, IN SILHOUETTE, to be replaced by Mark Dacascos. So, y'know, it all worked out in the end.

Jack Denfeld

16:40 / 13.07.05

The Halloween that didn't even have Michael Meyers in it. Like 2 or 3 or 4? It was about a tv show that made you kill people or something. I'll go look it up as it's been awhile.

odd jest on horn

16:45 / 13.07.05

I nominate Hackers 2 for replacing cool ass Jolie and SickBoy with a "based on real story" account of the capture of Kevin Mitnick. (Though on imdb.com it's called takedown, and now mention of "Hackers 2", maybe only in Iceland? )

Jack Denfeld

16:48 / 13.07.05

The Kickboxer series will always have a special place in my heart,
Remember Jean Claude's brother in part 1? Didn't that guy look exactly like 1980's Armor Wars Tony STark?

paranoidwriter waves hello

18:01 / 13.07.05

JD, 'Halloween III'. You mean haven't you heard 'Schnappi' yet?

Mistoffelees

18:43 / 13.07.05

No Jeff Goldblum in The Fly 2.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

20:07 / 13.07.05

Mannequin 2- Mannequin On The Move

Zombie Flesh Eaters 2

While we're on a zombie tip, Return Of The Living Dead and Return Of The Living Dead 2 (and, indeed, 3) don't share a single cast member, so far as I know.

Likewise with Battle Royale and BR 2.

Oh, and Jack? That would be Halloween 3. You're right- it was bollocks- it was the one where the guy has a bit of Stonehenge that he's putting in kids' masks so their heads'll melt and there'll be all bugs and worms and stuff.

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