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Advice on movie choice for Media studies unit?

 
  

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waxy dan
08:50 / 11.07.05
Hi, I'm teaching a unit on Analysing Media in September and am trying to get it planned out now. They're vocational students so aren't the Mae West academically, so I'm hoping to break up the lectures here and there with appropriate movies and documentaries (kept to a minimum, cos really teaching should consist of more than "here, look at this dvd and be quiet").

I'm thinking of Memento for studying a narrative structure. Bowling for Columbine for discussions on the effect of media, leading into censorship. But I was hoping for a couple of good examples of genre films (everything I can think of is too old for teenage students to get into it; trying Jaws and bits from Apocalypse now didn't go too well last year) and anything that'd be a good example of the use of signifiers in movies (props used to define a character, etc).

Any help or suggestions would be great.

Thanks loads and loads and loads
 
 
The Strobe
11:18 / 11.07.05
If you want to do genre movies, Die Hard. Or maybe Speed - but to be honest, do both as a comparative piece.

Die Hard is a fantastic film on all manner of levels - but it also effectively templated the nineties' action movie - cf Speed, Under Siege, etc etc etc. There's lots about genre concept, ensemble cast versus faceless goons, charismatic villain, underdog (and fairly-ordinary) hero and stupid special effects.

Speed is also, to my mind, one of the best constructed action thrillers made. It's based around three set pieces, one small, one huge, and one moderate in size, and yet it sustains plot and dialogue through them, not around them. De Bont has never come close to matching it.

Fun genre films - but also really easy to watch critically.
 
 
Nobody's girl
11:45 / 11.07.05
How about T2? Plenty to work with and should still appeal to the knuckle dragging teens.
 
 
waxy dan
12:42 / 11.07.05
Die Hard's a good one. I remember using that before as a classic narrative structure. It'd be good for characters too. It'd be nice to be able to do a comparison, but there's a lot to cover in a very short time; so I'll probably stick to just one movie unfortunately.

T2's an interesting choice; what sort of things would you look at?

thanks again guys (I'm a department of one here; so it's great to have any kind've idea-bouncing going on)
 
 
The Strobe
12:59 / 11.07.05
One thing that could be interesting: taking some John Woo, say, The Killer, by preference, and pulling out one of the dramatic scenes (although the church could be fun).

Thing is, I'd try and show it without subtitles.

And ask what's going on; and I bet you the class would be right. The point is that Woo is conforming to a genre he loves and really can work with; it's just so OTT. Maybe then pull out one of his comedic moments and see how he subverts the genre.

But yeah, big foreign-action-movies modelled on Hollywood tropes without subtitles - and then fill in the blanks based on the movies you've seen.

With T2, you could show the special edition, and then explain which scenes weren't in the original, and discuss whether they strengthen or weaken the film (because some are vital, and others far less necessary).
 
 
Smoothly
13:49 / 11.07.05
T2's an interesting choice; what sort of things would you look at?

T1 and T2 are both brilliant for exploring the psychoanalytical approach. Symbols of erection, penetration, and prodigious sexual potency and regeneration are everywhere.
 
 
netbanshee
13:56 / 11.07.05
You could also look at the somewhat new trend of American-branded Japanese horror in films like The Ring / Ringu and look at the differences between the 2 films. The Ring is garbage, especially when compared to the original. This being the case, the film did fairly well in theatres and anyone who's not aware of the prior film is really missing something.

There's plenty to consider with these films... different culture, use of color, effects, direction, etc.
 
 
waxy dan
14:23 / 11.07.05
I'm liking the Woo idea. A lot. It'd carry a cetain kudos with the kids too.

I dunno, I think I might avoid the sexual potency imagery for the teenage class though...
 
 
waxy dan
14:25 / 11.07.05
Ring is a great idea. They should be looking at the development and the use of genre. The 'new' genre of Americanised Aisan movies would be really interesting to look at. I'll definitely go for a few examples there.

Thanks guys, this is a great help
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
16:16 / 11.07.05
For story structure and genre movies, don't limit yourself to modern movies. "The Searchers" followed by "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" is a good pairing for showing how the western went from the dominant genre for action to how it became deconstructed before it faded to obscurity. Noir is also a good genre to introduce with either "DOA" or "Pickup on South Street" as introductions, and "Dark City" or "Blade Runner" as how the genre has evolved.
 
 
The Strobe
16:17 / 11.07.05
Also, going along with Americanised Asian cinema: look at an action scene, and a drama scene, from, say, The Killer, and compare them to two in Face/Off or MI:2. Which translates well to Hollywood? Which translates badly? Why do you think that is? Etc.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
16:55 / 11.07.05
Run, Lola, Run

it should at least keep their attention, and you can always delve into existentialism lite in a pinch.

gl
>pablo
 
 
Whisky Priestess
22:50 / 11.07.05
Dead Ringers and Crash for body-horror and weird fetishism.

That'll learn 'em ...

How about some Hitchcock-as-auteur stuff? Suggested pair: North by Northwest and Vertigo.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
23:09 / 11.07.05
This might sound condescending, but what about "teen films" as a genre and also as a way to demonstrate characterisation?

e.g. 'Kids', 'The Outsiders', the 'Scream' films (which would also be good to show how the actual knowledge of horror devices has been employed to exploit the genre for the audience's enjoyment), or even those John Hughes Brat Pack films.

I'm thinking that films which deal with "teenage issues" might be good for them to take apart and criticise. What do you reckon?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
00:05 / 12.07.05
(IMHO) It would also sit well with 'Bowling for Columbine', creating an overall theme to the course. But I've never taught professionally, so you might want to take what I type with a pinch of salt.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
00:44 / 12.07.05
Also, I don't know what country you're teaching the course in, but it might be worth doing a bit of research and contrasting teen films from different nations and cultures (etc).

(Sorry for the triple post, but I've hassled the moderators enough for one day. G'night!)
 
 
juan de marcos
02:45 / 12.07.05
C'est arrivé pres de chez vous aka Man bites Dog

-> How to make a great terrifying movie with hardly any budget?
-> To be compared with Natural Born Killers
-> Lovely grainy use of black & white
 
 
netbanshee
03:28 / 12.07.05
Man... Cronenberg might be a bit much for the class (gotta love him), but the concepts that move thru a lot of his films were ground-breaking. He definitely tackled quite a lot of issues regarding the body and technology, things that pre-date (and are better formed than) most modern films handling of the subject (ala The Matrix, etc.). If you're still liking the idea of Japanese film as a touchstone, you can also investigate aspects of technology in different ways... things like Tetsuo and in anime, Ghost in the Shell. If you're looking to talk about technology, there's a gold-mine here as well as the examples laid out before.

Of course, if you really want to talk about Japanese film, it'd be bad not to mention Kurosawa. With George Lucas having his final Star Wars outing, it'd be a nice way to bring up Hidden Fortress and then delve into Seven Samurai, etc. and it's influence on American film, the Spaghetti Western, etc. Any excuse to watch Yojimbo is a good one...
 
 
netbanshee
03:33 / 12.07.05
Oh... and Whisky's suggestion of Hitchcock is a wonderful one... just watched Vertigo again recently and it's quite the movie. His library is deep and inspiring.
 
 
waxy dan
06:45 / 12.07.05
Mornin'. Again, thanks for all the help, it really is appreciated.

Whiskey and netbanshee. Body horror / emergence of man-machine; I'd probably avoid. Which is a shame as it was my topic for my undergrad disseratation. But, the unit's being delivered to the the 16-19 year age range. So I don't think a lot of them would (to be honest) really get it. Also I'd run into trouble with management for the choice of 'inappropriate' material. Which really is a crying shame. It's a unit I'd really like to run for an older class. I was doing a BSc unit last year called Technology & Society which I never quite managed to have altered to include a bit of media.

Although... Hitchcock, eh? Have to do a bit of googling there.

juanSame for Man Bites Dog, I'm afraid. I'd have angry parents beating down my door. Though if I include Ring; I'll go into the lack of budget. Which would be good for their own video productions.

PalefaceLooking at the church scene from the Killer and then looking at the same scene in Face Off I'll go for. Which drama scenes would you compare?

Solitaire and netbansheeWestern's a good one too. Especially if combined with Kurosawa. Maybe go from Seven Samurai, to Magnificent Seven, or from Yojimbo to the Fistful of Dollars to Last Man Standing. I'm very limited in time and all too aware of how much time would be used by showing movies. What I might do is just grab the opening scenes of Bladerunner. Which I could include in another class on video production (great editing and lighting).

tenix Good call on Run Lola Run. I'd have time to do one example of narrative structure (well, I might do two; one classic narrative like Star wars: the Hero's Journey), so I'll go for Memento or Run Lola Run.

I should be covering issues of representation as well. Did anyone see Major Dundee on Sunday evening? I'd forgotten how 'blunt' and direct movies once were in addressing difficult issues of race and identity. It was really refreshing. paranoidwriter I'll go with representation of teens; good one. If I can get my hands on maybe the Breakfast Club or the Outsiders, it might follow up well on Bowling for Columbine. Examples of a negative portrayal of teens as something to be feared, then a film that tries to explore how teens are so neatly stereotyped and categorised.

(Teaching in the UK btw, London)
 
 
waxy dan
08:52 / 12.07.05
Actually, just found a load of stuff on the teen film genre. Might go with that primarily; with references to others. Rebel Without a Cause, Breakfast Club (though I can't find a Region 2 copy anywhere, might go for a vcd), possibly the Faculty and Bowling for Columbine. This'd introduce representation rather neatly as well.
 
 
The Strobe
09:16 / 12.07.05
Drama-wise; not sure, it's ages since I've seen it! Maybe something like the Travolta-and-daughter (protective father because of what happened before) compared to one of the slower John-and-Jenny scenes, like when he's telling her he'll take her to Hong Kong for treatment. I think those scenes existed; it seems all I can remember is the action...

Other thing Woo is interesting on is comedy: the John/Cop sequence, where they have their guns in each other's chests except Jenny's serving them tea and they're trying to banter politely is great - it looks a lot like action but actually it's humour. Can't think of his Western equivalents.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
14:47 / 12.07.05
waxy dan:

how about ten things I hate about you (ie Taming of the Shrew) and clueless (Emma).

good old stories with all of the modern gloss to keep it from boring the poor kids to death.

one of my favourites the dark crystal for the hero's journey.

>pablo
 
 
Saint Keggers
17:27 / 12.07.05
Usual Suspects.
 
 
Aertho
17:55 / 12.07.05
A second for The Dark Crystal, if only for its religious and philosophy-for-kids leanings.

Something recent might be Be Cool, in its following/updating of great Hollywood musicals for contemporary audiences.

The lack of "evil" in Princess Mononoke is something worth examining.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
18:00 / 12.07.05
paranoidwriter I'll go with representation of teens; good one.

Glad I could help, but be warned (a little like Dougal in Father Ted) I don't get good ideas that often, and they seldom turn out that way. I mean, are you sure? Don't blame me if it all goes 'Over the Edge' and the teens mutiny, seizing control of the building and holding all the staff hostage...

Other good* teen films: 'Davandeh':'The Runner'**; 'Catholic Boys'; 'Boyz n the Hood'; 'Heathers'; 'Rumblefish'; 'Battle Royale'; 'Lord of the Flies'; 'Heavenly Creatures'; 'The Chocolate War'; 'Dead Poet's Society' (I know, I know, but still...); 'Donnie Darko'; 'Grease'....etc.

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*Please note: by "good" I mean in terms of discussing "teen culture", "youth", "society", and "identity", etc.

**The main protagonist is a little too young to be a teenager, but as a way of understanding how "the other half live" (IMHO) everyone should see this classic at least once in their short lives. I loved it.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
18:11 / 12.07.05
nice list paranoidwriter,

I'll second Donnie Darko

how about whale rider, kissed, blair witch project, rushmore, but especially napoleon dynamite!!!

looks like the floodgates are open.

just a thoughts.
10ix
 
 
waxy dan
07:24 / 13.07.05
Floodgate away. This is all really helpful. I wouldn't have time to show nearly as many films as I would like; but I'll use as many as possible for examples during session.

Donnie Darko I used last year; it went down very very well. I should probably use that again.

Any ideas at all guys would be great! Keep 'em coming!!!
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
08:05 / 13.07.05
May I humbly double-recommend 'Davandeh: The Runner' and urge you to give this film serious consideration as you choose which films to use / view / research, etc?

It's been years since I saw it (sadly), but my memory of the film is that it isn't what many teens might class as a boring foreign language film (and I still remember how stuffy a classroom can get). Plus, as well as providing a healthy contrast with our western youth's trials and tribulations, the added relevance of the subject matter to today's climate (e.g. G8, "Terrorism". Iran and the US, "Bling" Culture, etc, etc) will be a good angle for them to understand and criticise this film. Also, among your pupils I imagine there will there be a mix of ethnicity, class, culture, and religion (etc), but either way it's still just as shockingly relevant.

One final selling point: there's a truly beautiful and poignant scene in the film with the main protagonist banging his fists triumphantly on a large and amazingly fresh looking block of ice which sends analogous shivers buzzing along my narrative-loving spine every time I picture it. If you've seen it, you'll know what I mean. Indeed, it say's more than about life than George Bush and his chronies will ever, ever understand (unfortunately).
 
 
Augury
10:41 / 13.07.05
OK, I've used film lots in my high school English classes.
For younger teens - Clueless and Legally Blonde, are good to look at - in terms of western gender roles. You could also look at '10 Things I hate about You'/ Lurhman's Romeo + Juliet as Shakespeare adaptations.

With older teens, we've looked at:
The Hours (gender studies / as resisting dominant gender ideologies)

Looking for Alibrandi - Aussie multicultural flick, students can the read novel. Compare the two texts.

Gattaca - what passes for sci-fi realism, ties into ideas floating around the media about genetics, cloning etc

I'll additionally recommend Donnie Darko (although when I've showed it - most kids don't *get* it)

We also looked at 'Galaxy Quest' and then some Futurama in terms of deconstructing sci-fi

Have fun, sounds like a cool unit. Back to watching new season of 24 now.
 
 
Augury
10:57 / 13.07.05
also - if you could convince your admin to let your class study Fight Club - that would be great. I've wanted to study it's gender portrayals / comments on modern society. But, it's R-rated (18), so it's just not gonna happen for my classes
 
 
netbanshee
04:15 / 14.07.05
Following on he previous mention, if you could push the age barrier a bit, Fight Club vs. American Psycho would be a good study. The you are/aren't what you consume/wear/buy is prevalent in modern times. A look back at 80's culture and thought in "high society" vs. the blue-collar ownership perspective might be interesting.

Looks like there's lots of food for thought in this thread so far... let us know what you're thinking about for your class, when you come to that point...
 
 
X-Himy
05:22 / 14.07.05
Compare Seven Samurai and the Magnificent Seven. Hell, don't show them sequentially, but show corresponding segments next to each other.

Die Hard is great to show for a number of reasons already mentioned.

Donnie Darko for what is left out of the film (either later explained through the website, or through the extras).

Rashomon with some sort of movie that uses the same narrative device (retelling the same story from different points of view).

Watching a couple of the same scenes from different movies. That is to say, certain famous scenes that have been copied. I am sure that you could use something from Citizen Kane, or one of my personal favorites, the long show from Goodfellas.

Kudos to whoever mentioned Princess Mononoke, but please, watch it on subtitles, not the dubbed. It loses something on the dub.

Watching remakes or reinterpretations are great for discussing not only the changes, but the effectiveness of the changes.
 
 
X-Himy
05:25 / 14.07.05
Oh yes, Memento works, only for showing how utterly dependent the narrative is on the structure. I think the special edition allows you to watch it chronologically, rather than the normal backwards, and apparently, it is craptastic.
 
 
multitude.tv
21:27 / 14.07.05
In the intro cinema criticism class (we call it American CInema, and try to stay focused on American Film, though the text certainly takes into account film the world over) I (partially) teach we (the departement tends to set these things together) use the genre based text by Joe Boggs and Dennise W. Petrie, _The Art of Watching Films_, it is a very basic text and proceeds historically as well as by genre, it also introduces students to quite a bit of technical lingo/artisitic considerations, it is however an introductory text. I should also note that the course is a semester long (15 weeks or so), and that the students are in the freshman/sophomore level, so we have a lot of time and the students are all late teens/early twenties. The text itself provides examples of films from each period/genre, though we tend to deviate from that in actually presenting the course.

I would steer away from Memento for narrative structure, unless you wish to teach a divergence from the standard narrative structural curve, I love the film but would probably have it on the suggested list (as opposed to the required list) for films to watch in contrast to the narrative curve. I could imagine a number of good papers coming out of using that film (or other films that do not proceed linearly, such as Pulp Fiction) to contrast with traditional narrative structure.

Our students (usually between 60-120 a semester, depending on how many sections) tend to get over the old films pretty quickly, that is, we try to get them to recognize and suspend personal bias (such as against Black and White films in general, or Westerns, or Sci Fi, etc) from the beginning, this also helps with the teaching of critial thinking skills, that is they have to provide reasons for their views on films.

Furthermore, we deal a lot with historical and social circumstances surrounding particular films (we touch on it). Many of these films the students would never watch, much less attempt to appreciate in any way, and many come out liking, or exploring further particular genres or directors. I think the exposure is healthy, and that they should not be baby-fed current films that they may me more (or already) familiar with.

Some Films we used last semester (and I am not saying I like these films at all, some I do, they were used as examples and content of a class) were,

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Wizard of Oz (Hollywood style/narrative structure)
Citizen Kane (Director influence)
Casablanca (We teach this as sort of Noir, and use it to talk about lighting)
Searchers (Western)
Some Like it Hot (comedy)
Psycho (horror)
Godfather (gangster/crime)
Patton (War)
Traffic (Breaks in Narrative Structure, Film and Current affairs)
Network (Media influence, this is the film I would recomend instead of Bowling for Columbine)

We supplement with exerpts from the 1995 PBS series ``American Cinema`` an excellent documentary series that introduces many of the same topics covered in the text.

and a number of other films that I can’t recall, we did one film a week. This is not my favourite course (to teach) by the way, I much more enjoy the Media and Society class, for which we use David Croteau & William Hoynes’s _Media/Socitety text book as well as a number of examples and both of Rushkoff’s Frontline Documentaries.
 
  

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