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Memory of water: crystal elixirs and liquid spells

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14:04 / 12.07.05

Well, in fact most mystical wellsprings have legends of inhabiting spirits, are at the nexus of ley lines or dragon paths, blessed by the saints etc. rather than because a passerby chucked a crystal into it. My point was why would it work on a small scale but not on a large scale.

14:11 / 12.07.05

That'd be the idea behind most stories of healing ponds, sacred lagoons and whatnot, yeah.

A bit more on this- it's traditionally a more difficult magical feat to create an infinite wellspring of love-potion (say) compared to a small vial of the stuff. If the homeopathic counterintuitive dilution-increases-potency rule applies to elixirs then that's not the case, it would actually work better in a pond than a bottle.
So it's better to drop your Citrine into a keg than a bottle... MORE MAGICAL BEER!

14:18 / 12.07.05

My point was why would it work on a small scale but not on a large scale.

It could be a question of isolating influences - a bottle of filtered spring water on your windowsill is separated from its source/natural habitat and is (presumeably?) in a position to be influenced primarily by the crystal/sun/practictioner's intent, etc. whereas in a pond or lake, there are the abovementioned resident spirits and intersecting ley lines and countless other factors that already determine the character of that body of water (including its own mineral deposits, each exerting their own natural influence).

15:01 / 12.07.05

Now, if you had, say, a fishpond or something, sort of isolated from natural outside influence, that might stand a chance.

Maybe you could raise magical koi.

18:04 / 12.07.05

I was thinking of creating a sigil and taping it onto my Brita water pitcher/filter, so that all the water my roommate and I drink out of it will have the intent of the sigil (which is a goal that would be very good for both of us).

15:12 / 25.07.05

Completed the above, got a nice little sigil on the big ol' Brita. Will report results as they happen... the water is soaking up the intent of the sigil nicely, and me and my roommate are drinking it...

16:53 / 25.07.05

You can program Water simply by the process of Object Concentration, even look at Kirlian Photography for the Auras of so called non-sentient lifeforms and people putting E Meters on plants and that. Look at Reiki where you can send good vibes/good information/good nrg to people or things. Water seems one of the oldest chemical structures in Planet Earth - we were borne from it. This belies the premise of the almost shaky grounds of Homoepathies. You can program water so it can become peace water or an exorcisising water. Look at the ideas of Callum Coates if that's his name and the Living Energies movement that copied the eccentric West German scientists of the last centuries, the same ones apparently who designed flying saucers after the designs of animals and their body atavisms. we all need to Hydrate without water we would shrink away like violets amidst a desert. The symbol of Water also retains our Mammalian Foetal Mapped Brains and also of the Womb and Birth. Either dark pools or clear pools - to relax seems to clear the stormy waters of the mind. Water seems a very potent symbol. Don't get me on flouridisation and the chemicalisation of our world's first and best product. It seems no coincadance that water in our sea seems similar to fluids within our bodies, that is the significant per centage synchronicity from flesh to planet earth. Herbalism works wonders and so does the power of Pheromones and Aromatics for ritual. Let's face it birth, life, sex and death are all essential rituals of our present times and aeons, whichever aeon you wish tio subscribe to.

16:47 / 26.01.06

Interesting to see this debunked in the link in the Gratitude thread, which includes:

>> Well, if the water in your body is anything like the ideal shown at the top [picture], then I have bad news: you are dead, and are no doubt residing in a deep-freeze! This is not a "molecule" at all, but an ice crystal, probably a snowflake. If the latter, then it will almost certainly be less pure than the one shown below it, since snowflakes, like raindrops, are built around a core of dirt.

The fact is that these photos are not of water molecules and convey no information about the water.

They are most likely the work of the water-mystic and father of cluster-lore "Doctor" Masuro Emoto . More of Emoto's photos and pseudoscientific rubbish can be found at the Hado site. For even more far-out phantasy, see More Messages in Water or The Power of Prayer Made Visible.

Emoto's book "The Message from Water" contains photos of ice crystals from waters which have been exposed to music, words spoken, words typed and taped to the glass containers, photographs and long-distance thought messages. Some of the photographs are amazing and all of them show a response from the water.

Many of the photos are quite nice, but the shapes of ice crystals are highly dependent on the conditions and rates of freezing, so Emoto's fanciful interpretations have no scientific validity.
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Less searchable M0rd4nt

19:04 / 26.01.06

I essentially junked this as an idea, really. I'm learning how to bless things properly.

Fritz K Driftwood

19:34 / 26.01.06

Mordant, any particular reason this was abandoned?

Alex & FinderWolf, did the "energised" water not work, then?

Less searchable M0rd4nt

19:57 / 26.01.06

I distrusted Emoto's work on general principles. I will happily try stuff that goes against my knowledge of basic fucking physics but I need to be properly motivated. When I attempted to investigate this a bit more and discovered how much I'd have to spend on books consisting largely of snowflake photographs to get more info I sort of detumesced, you know?

Plus I had more exciting shit going on anyway. I'll definately be coming back to this kind of thing, but probably from a different angle.

Rune Juice. Toby teabags. I'll get back to you guys in another few months.

odd jest on horn

20:24 / 26.01.06

Well there's always Benveniste to get your spirit up. I also googled a bit and came up with this.

Benveniste's results are particularily interesting because he was using energy, ie sound, to give structure to the water. I'm not even sure he's been debunked in any meaningful way, since he fell so far into disrepute just by publishing his results. I guess people were scared of even being associated with pseudo-science

Here's the executive summary

odd jest on horn

20:27 / 26.01.06

Apologies. This had been mentioned up in the thread. Me and my hasty replies.

22:40 / 26.01.06

On the body as water and use of language with it, might I recomment Peter Greenway's 'The Pillow Book'. It uses the idea of body as canvas for text extensively. One might even say that a spell of revenge was played out over the 10 (or was it 12?) men's bodies against the evil publisher. Also when she finally regains the pillow book of her lover's skin she places it within a bonazi and waters in. I just thought it was a nice ritual of death and rebirth.

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