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Memory of water: crystal elixirs and liquid spells

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Less searchable M0rd4nt

02:04 / 01.07.05

Having been gifted a copy of The Crystal Bible (not the sort of thing I'd normally read but hey), I've been thinking about experimenting with crystal elixirs (water in which a crystal or other shiny magic rock has been left to "infuse" its character.

The book talks about "healing vibrations" and the usual new-age stuff that normally has me reaching for the nearest sharp implement, but looking past the fluffbunny language (replace pseudoscientific jargon with "It works by magic, okay?") I wondered if there might not be something in it. Having just picked up quite a few chunks of quartz from Montserrat I'm planning to give it a go. Anyone here have any experience with crystal elixirs? Something worth a try? Load of crap?

Another line of enquiry was suggested by What the bleep do we know?: Dr. Masaru Emoto's work with water, which seems to suggest that the formation of ice crystals can be affected by language and music. (I must confess up front that I haven't actually seen the film or read either of Emoto's books.)

I'm taking this with a pretty bloody big pinch of salt, but again it's an interesting idea to play with. I was thinking of using this in conjunction with my embryonic rune work--ice-cubes with runes carved on them, water "charged" (hate that word) with chanted rune-poems and imbibed as a libation...

Any input?

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05:14 / 01.07.05

heh, i work in a bookstore and we were making fun of Emoto's book the other day. the hidden messages in water thing is what got me. i mean there's hidden messages in lots of things until you know how to look. but the general impression here was pretty picture newage gloss.

then i had a customer come in to look at all of Emoto's stuff; a book (or 2?) and a deck of picture/cards. see now you set the nice cards out on your coffee table and when a guest inquires about them you can channel the snowflake secrets from your book as your guest is mesmerized by the magnified geometric wonders.

well don't take my word for it, cause i didn't bother to read the book. i don't know what you expect to get out of magic snowflakes, they're too small to read anyway, you can make them say whatever you want. or you could try playing Mozart in the freezer.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

06:36 / 01.07.05

see now you set the nice cards out on your coffee table and when a guest inquires about them you can channel the snowflake secrets from your book

Really? Uuuuurgh, please. Yeah, the world really needs another shitty made up picture oracle for all those people too bloody lazy to learn Tarot.

Disappointed.

19:18 / 01.07.05

We talked about writing on the skin a few months ago—part of my interest in that was from What the Bleep, on the theory that if water reacts to language, then 80% of the body would do the same.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

19:47 / 01.07.05

Yeah, I've been doing that--mixmage's runic hands thing, for a start, and single runes when I perform an altar service.

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05:36 / 02.07.05

actually i didn't mean to take the card set analogy that far, it's not a pseudotarot. but just that the interpretation of ice crystals are based on pretty photos... so you end up with a deck of shiny pics to accompany a book, which becomes a nice conversation piece for someone to jab about. i'm not trying to discount the theory, it just seems like it's trying to sell vague conclusions with the image.

Unconditional Love

08:32 / 02.07.05

if you focus on the surface of water, you see your own reflection. if you sink who knows what youll find.......

06:35 / 03.07.05

if water reacts to language, then 80% of the body would do the same.

I really like that thought.

rising and revolving

11:43 / 03.07.05

On the whole charging water front, Franz Bardon was very into that - Fluid Condensers, he called them. I can't recall the specifics in detail, but I'll look them up this evening...

18:09 / 05.07.05

(trivia- the 'scientific explanation' of homeopathy by that french dude was called 'the memory of water' as I recall.)
I don't really believe in the whole crystal thing but frustratingly it seems to work (feck!). I was given a fat chunk of rose quartz (Love rock) and then almost immediately met my now-fiancee. Since she's recently completed a crystal healing course inc. elixirs, I shall ask her about it for you. I do recall sunlight is the catalyst, I will find out more..

18:46 / 05.07.05

Quantum - Jacques Benveniste?

Book by Michel Schiff: The Memory of Water: Homoeopathy and the Battle of Ideas in the New Science (the story of the persecution of Jacques Benveniste)

New Scientist article: The Memory of Water (experiments indicate that there is a measurable difference between the hydrogen bonds in pure water when compared to homeopathic dilutions)

The so-called "memory of water" is an idea central to homeopathic therapy; the theory that water has a form of memory, in that when a curative element is added to it and then removed, or diluted, the water retains curative properties despite there being no measurable trace of the substance itself.

20:34 / 05.07.05

I remember reading something right along these lines in a pdf pulled from this forum's own pdf thread. I'd point the way, but my normal computer is knackered and I don't have it on this one. If nobody else finds it, I'll try and root it out when the laptop gets back from the shop.

If I remember correctly, it says something about how it (I'm going with the hydrogen bonds here, but without it to hand, I may be lying) can be restructured by thought patterns. This structural change is temporary, but water taken from holy rivers has distinctly different structures that remain for long periods of time even when the water is contained and left to sit.

It's interesting. You'd think that water should be inherently tied in with conciousness, seeing as it's responsible for and found in all forms of life on earth.

11:09 / 06.07.05

That's the one. If homeopathy works (which it pretty definitely does) by organic matter imprinting water, then it's not a leap to infer that inorganic matter can also imprint water. I find it more believable in fact, as crystalline structures are more obviously patterned (silicone chips, snowflakes etc).

I'd also like to bring up magic potions here; assuming there can be properties beyond the chemical makeup (placebo effect aside)- if water is a programmable liquid, then magical effects could be applied to other beverages and balms- magic sunblock, magical tea, and *joy!* MAGICAL BEER REMEDIES!!

12:53 / 06.07.05

This would also help explain the claim made by some witches of my acquaintance that water from a holy well (with healing properties, say) will "convert" normal water if even a minute amount is added to it. I hadn't thought of it as a homeopathic compound before, but that's the idea...

rising and revolving

15:04 / 06.07.05

And more importantly, MAGICAL BEER!

19:10 / 06.07.05

About crystal elixirs and liquid spells… how do you prepare them/what do they consist of?

Less searchable M0rd4nt

19:46 / 06.07.05

Crystal elixirs are prepared by placing the shiny rock in question in mineral water and leaving it in the sun for a day or two. As for liquid spells, I'm still thinking that one over...

Less searchable M0rd4nt

19:51 / 06.07.05

...although the thought occurs that I've been using liquid spells for a while, in a way. First there was the sigil* burned and the ashes mixed with wine as part of my book workings. More recently, I have been tracing runes over the libations I offer the Gods. Hmmmm.

*fuck, I'm really, really starting to hate that word.

20:30 / 06.07.05

Let me see… for example, I get a chuck of Quantum’s rose quartz (the one that promotes love), place it in a cup of tap water, and let bake in the sun… then I remove the rock and drink the new ‘love’ infused water, therefore internalizing the properties of the quarts, right? Or I could pour the cup into a lake and imprint all the water in the lake with this ‘love’ essence? Did I understand correctly?

Less searchable M0rd4nt

20:34 / 06.07.05

That's what the book says, yes. (Not the lake part, which is an interesting idea.) I haven't tried making an elixir yet, so I can't vouch for their effectiveness.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

20:36 / 06.07.05

And it's supposed to be pure mineral water rather than tap. S'pose you could filter the water...

20:46 / 06.07.05

Oh I got the lake thing from Sekhmet's post:

This would also help explain the claim made by some witches of my acquaintance that water from a holy well (with healing properties, say) will "convert" normal water if even a minute amount is added to it. I hadn't thought of it as a homeopathic compound before, but that's the idea...

21:59 / 06.07.05

Just to be pedantic, "pure mineral water" is a contradiction in terms -- if it's mineral water, it's not pure, since it has minerals in it.

This is a problem for bottlers of water, because pure distilled water (nothing but water) doesn't taste right. For people to buy the stuff to drink, they actually have to add things to it. Dash of salt, smidge of potassium chloride, that kind of thing. Minerals. Faking what a riverbed or aquifer does naturally.

I have no idea if this would affect what you're doing, but it's something to be aware of.

Unconditional Love

00:38 / 07.07.05

sex in the bath.....

Less searchable M0rd4nt

00:46 / 07.07.05

Hah. grant is right, of course. Please engage brain before operating keyboard. By pure, I meant not having had anything added to it except the shiny rock in question. After the elixir is made, brandy can be added as a preservative.

03:23 / 07.07.05

That sounds hinky -- I don't see how brandy would preserve hydrogen bonds. And distilled water seems sort of "unnatural" (although easy enough to get, if you've got a still or just a decent pot & something to catch steam in). maybe I'm thinking too much Sons of Ether-ish weird science stuff.

04:54 / 07.07.05

I'll just use some bottled water and see if it works. Now about crystals... what kinds are there and what are their properties? And I'm assuming these can be easily got at New Age Shops everywhere, right?

Less searchable M0rd4nt

05:01 / 07.07.05

Oh, the brandy isn't there to preserve the hydrogen bonds, it serves the far more reasonable purpose of killing bacteria and mold spores so your magic water doesn't go green and taste funny.

rising and revolving

16:22 / 07.07.05

Oh by the by - checking into Bardon and the Fluid Condenser stuff, and he's off on a seperate tangent really. He doesn't seem to attribute any special properties to water per se, but suggests that the addition of gold/blood/sperm and other substances to water will allow it to hold a magical charge in a more impressive manner than would be possible without.

Might be a while before we get scientific results on the hydrogen bonds in spooge-water, though.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

18:56 / 07.07.05

Now about crystals... what kinds are there and what are their properties?

Hundreds! You might have a Google, see what turns up.

One thing to bear in mind is that some rocks come from pretty dodgy sources. You're probably best off using rocks that you find yourself than spending a fortune on something that's been produced with child labour in Burma or whatever.

21:20 / 07.07.05

Okay, I'll keep that in mind.

What about combining stones, I don't want to cancel them out or OD or anything.

Unconditional Love

22:26 / 07.07.05

so water is used for purification, baptism, libations, sprinkling to rid evil.

washing away dirt,drinking,quenching thirst.

waterfalls, showers, rain, storms.

so would rain water gathered during a storm contain an element of the storm? or for example the sweat i put into kung fu practice.i am not going to start collecting sweat.

intresting vehicle to use for associations thou.

to collect my tears to gather my stress and pain and mix it with honey to sweeten my mood.

03:24 / 11.07.05

Um, I think it’s time for an update. I haven’t done the crystal elixir yet BUT three hours after I bought a triangular-shaped sliver of Citrine* I found a job… and not just any job. So far it seems to be exactly what I was looking for. Since then the rock hasn’t left my wallet, but I think tomorrow I’m going to try the elixir.

*Citrine is sometimes associated with:
Astrological Signs of Gemini, Aries, Libra and Leo. Accumulation and maintenance of wealth, radiance from within the self, clarification of intellect and emotions, inter-personal relationships, and the number 6.

11:51 / 12.07.05

See? Whether you believe or not they seem to work.

I had a thought- if I chuck a lump of crystal into a body of water (say, a lake) which is in sunlight, would that make it into a giant elixir? If I drop some rose quartz into a spring can I make a love spring? If Evian is filtered through quartz does it pick up the quartz vibes?

Crystals just don't make sense to me if their properties are innate (and yet they work! Gah!) so my current theory is that they make an excellent tool or vehicle for magic.

13:52 / 12.07.05

I had a thought- if I chuck a lump of crystal into a body of water (say, a lake) which is in sunlight, would that make it into a giant elixir?

That'd be the idea behind most stories of healing ponds, sacred lagoons and whatnot, yeah.

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